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Everything posted by notin
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It is true. And we won't even get into how many people from this forum have a little notin doll they spend their offline hours sticking pins into and setting on fire. By the way, if you're interested, I still have some stock left in the Official Notin Voodoo Chile doll. Pull the string and hear the smugness! Pins sold separately...
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Reportedly another team approached Bloom about taking Sale's deal in July of 2022, but they didn't want to trade back anything worthwhile, so Bloom rejected the deal. And that was before the bike accident. Flash forward through a 60 day IL trip for shoulder inflammation in 2023, and Atltanta still wants to gamble on Sale, and maybe will give up a decent player. But that means in no way do they pay full freight. Breslow asks for a player he likes (Grissom) ad pays down the amount. Then it just comes down to Atlanta appeasing Sale so he approves the trade, and the Sox replacing quality with durability. (Clearly even Sale lacked confidence in his durability. He pushed back free agency by two years and even overwrote a more lucrative option year. Those don't sound like the actions of a guy who knows he is back 100%.)
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I hate the rule, but I also hate the exploitation that lead to it. It should have never come to that. It also could have been handled by eliminating/limiting September call ups (which was also done, thankfully)...
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You think you’re alone in nitpicking me? Newsflash. You have competition…
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He certainly had big names, but Bochy wasn’t unique in that manner. Look away while players used steroids? Lots of guys did that. Make 4 pitching changes in multiple consecutive innings? He was alone on that island…
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It gets done to me daily:)
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He was the reason the Sox paid $17mill in that deal. The Sox could have dumped even more money, but they wanted actual baseball talent in return. Atlanta wasn’t going to take that full financial risk and give up Grissom all at once. Even they had reservations about Sale’s durability…
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Ratings or not, Grissom made his MLB debut at 21 years 217 days old. As of today, Mayer is 21 years 216 days old. Care to revisit this on Wednesday? The man made MLB at age 21. That’s a crazy accomplishment, and not something done by an “ok prospect”…
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Fine. It made for fun baseball if you liked the Giants, commercials, and masochistic self-abuse…
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I’m sure they loved the success, but 1) it did make Giants’ unwatchable, especially in September and 2) lead to multiple rule changes so that no one can ever act like him again…
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The deal did make sense. Sale didn’t give the Sox much for numerous years, and there was a reason we liked the deal at the time. And now Grissom is an “OK prospect”? Some hindsighted downgrading? Or were the Braves - the same team you credit with seeing something in Sale - just flat out wrong when the promoted Grissom to MLB at age 21? How many Ok prospects make MLB at that age? I guess we should downgrade Marcelo Mayer to “mediocre prospect”, or maybe just remove his prospect label altogether. I mean, Mayer hasn’t even sniffed MLB yet, and unless he gets promoted tomorrow, he will be older than Grissom was for his MLB debut. (And there’s no chance of that since there are no games tomorrow.)
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Sure, but it’s going to cost you…
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I could see Carlos Estevez going to the Yankees…
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And if Henry, Breslow, etc. thought Sale would be healthy, this deal didn’t happen. And neither does Giolito…
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Bochy used the September call up rule to bring up every pitcher on his 40 man roster, and would then in tougher innings, replace pitchers after one hitter multiple times. You’d watch an inning for nearly a full hour and it would take a while for it to sink in that only 5 batters came up…
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Actually drafted players used to be dealt as PTBNLs quite frequently, because teams could use the 6 months before naming the player to partially get around the rule of not trading draftees for a full year. Trea Turner was notably traded in the deal that changed this rule. PTBNLs can still come from an agreed-upon list, and it can even be conditional. “If our new pitcher makes 20 appearances, you get A. 15-19 appearance gets you B…”, etc. The only change in the last couple years is they cannot come from the 40-man roster. So players like John McDonald and Harry Chiti who were traded for themselves this way are now officially a thing of the past…
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Bochy has been immensely successful as a manager, but he has to be one of my least favorites. He’s the (sole?) reason for several rule changes because he made the Giants so unwatchable for many years…
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What could get interesting if the buyers get more creative and fill gaps by dealing younger, less established players for each other to fill gaps. Like the Brandon Marsh/Logan O’Hoppe swap a couple years ago. You never saw deals like that in July before…
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Plus he can throw hard, but no one knows where it’s going. He’s what would happen if Nuke LaLoosh played outfield…
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Plus he could sell his yacht. And his summer place in the Hampton could list on AirBnb. And maybe he could get that OnlyFans channel moving. We need bullpen upgrades!!
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It’s a draft pick. You get one guess…
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And a PTBNL cannot be on the 40 man roster…
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Eh, they spent. Confidence in Sale was probably not all that high either, since he’d done so little the previous 4 seasons. Even Sale himself might have been questioning it, as he wanted an extension. If he knew he was going to be the top arm available, would he necessarily do that?
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How many of those pitchers available to the Sox at 12 ate going to fit into that description?
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7/14 KC @ Sox 1:25PM ET
notin replied to SPLENDIDSPLINTER's topic in Mike Grace Memorial Game Thread Forum
I haven’t defended Bloom on anything since July 31, 2023. But the guy had his skill sets. You don’t get as high as he did with multiple teams unless you know what you’re doing…
