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I could go back and find all of his payrolls. Although at some point a $170 mill payroll itself becomes excessive. And it also matters what is considered a successful season. But would you agree that a good M can build a team with a budgets of $180 milliion or less?
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Moneyball and the mechanization and computerization of MLB
notin replied to Maxbialystock's topic in Other Baseball
Your original premise was thw it was all based on the computer. From your OP: What did matter is that the computer told him that the third time through the batting order is fraught with peril--indeed, hopeless--no matter how well the starter is pitching. The computer also did not care that Anderson, the guy who came in, was tired and had an ERA of over 7 (which became 9) in this WS. And, if the computer didn't care, Kevin Cash didn't either. And neither does the Rays hierarchy. What was it Humphrey Bogart said near the end of the movie, The African Queen? "The Germans have their systems and they sticks to 'em." Also - the title of the thread. Situational awareness aside, do you think Cash lived and died by what his computer said? Or did he just make bad calls based on the previous outcomes and how he managed all season long? -
None of which counters my point...
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I started this whole "Won't be able to sign Betts" point when Price signed. But yes, that also should have been a consideration....
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I've been spinning that angle since December, 2015. And guess what? It happened...
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He did do something no other Cubs GM/President has been able to do since Teddy Roosevelt was President and the United States had only 46 states in it..
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While possible, I do not think either player would welcome the move. And really, while Lindor absolutely is getting dealt, he is not going to be given away (unlike Hand, apparently). Not sure the Sox can outbid some of the other teams that should be interested. Like the Yankees, Mets and Dodgers. Now Carrasco fills a bigger need for the Sox and might be available...
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Exactly my point/theory...
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How? now whether or not Betts was willing to sign is one thing, but you cannot argue that the previous budget was irrelevant to signing him. If the Sox had a much lower payroll - say one without Price and Sale - do you think it is possible that they meet Betts' initial demands? Or were they walking away no matter without taking that in to consideration?
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While they both spent oodles of money, both have also built winners without spending $180 million. Friedman built some extremely good teams in Tampa for far less. The 2016 Cubs had a payroll closer to $170 million, and had only 3 players on the team inherited by Epstein (Javier Baez, Willson Contreras, and Matt Cszur)...
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Henry has always said he is a Basebell Guy. But at the end of the day, he does not want to spend $240mill and miss the post-season. And at some point, pouring more money on to Betts makes a situation where even making the post-season still creates a money-losing venture. I don't know where Henry stands agaist other owners regarding net worth. But his willingness to spend has been a godsend for this franchise, and if he suddenly reaches that limit and won't allow any more spending - which he has done before - I really can't blame him. And as Dombrowski is an experienced GM, he needs to know how far he can take an owner's budget. And since he has worked with Henry before, he shouldn't be too surprised when Henry says he has spent enough and needs to dial back. Honestly, if a GM needs more than $180 million to build a winning team, exactly how good is he?
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It also might be possible for ownership to stop DD short of re-signing Betts at all costs because they decided he had spent his allowance. I know you take the position that Betts’ contract is independent of the ones given to Price, Sale and Eovaldi, but that doesn’t mean Henry felt that way. His attitude might be “Hey I’d have another $362 million to spend, but you already doled that out to Price and Sale”.
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I think you throw around the phrase “need to rebuild” rather freely. It doesn’t always apply just because a team won less than 95 games...
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What GM can’t sign a player if ownership is willing to pay “whatever it took”? Making the budget work is a big part of being a GM...
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Or Carlos Carrasco (2 years / $25 mill)?
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If the Guardians do not want to pay $1 mill to buyout Hand, one has to wonder about the availability of Jose Ramirez ($9.4 mill). I think we can assume Lindor (~ $20mill) is also definitely out the door, but the Sox don't really need a SS right now...
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Moneyball and the mechanization and computerization of MLB
notin replied to Maxbialystock's topic in Other Baseball
And what part of what you said means that Cash made all these decisions based on some computer data and not his gut? Maybe he used this strategy based on game 2, when Snell didn’t get anyone out third time up? -
Well, since no team traded for him, maybe teams don’t want him at that price and are willing to see what he gets as a free agent (and one without a Qualifying Offer)...
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If Hand clears waivers, that screams volumes about the free agent market this offseason....
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Except that not every blown save results in a loss....
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More shocking is that the Guardians did not (try to?) find a taker for Hand. I would think he was very tradable. Waiving/releasing him just saves them $1 million. Are some teams going to be that strapped for cash?
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Also, it's a raccoon wearing a trash can rocket. It is worthy...
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No rimshot?
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I would say the chances of Perez' option being picked up are going down....
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Better than Rocket City Trash Pandas? I think not...
