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Taking the Cheap Way Hardly Ever Works
moonslav59 replied to moonslav59's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
I'm not really for playing Yoshi in the field. I'd rather bench him or trade him for whatever we can get. I think Cora mentioned that the 2024 injury was the main reason he did not play in LF, and that he was open to playing him there, once cured. (I could be wrong.) Again, Bregman was not who I wanted, but he would fix 2 problems, maybe 3, if Devers is better at 1B D than Casas (Casas to DH.) If the only problem he creates benching an $18M DH, then it may still be the best FA choice remaining. We aren't signing Scott or Santander. Profar and Santander creates an OF squeeze and may force a Rafaela and or Abreu trade. Hoffman would be nice, but none of these other guys move the needle like Bregman would, IMO. To me, this really highlights the disfunction of our FO and ownership group. Even if we end up signing Bregman, it looks like a knee-jerk reaction based on no pre-planning and a need to just "do something" that helps. From the "full throttle" statement, last winter to this by Kennedy: "Even if it takes us over the CBT, our priority is 90-95 wins and winning the ...division for multiple years." We are not a 90 win team, unless nearly everything goes right and injuries are very low. We are over $30M under the tax line with square pegs left to sign and round holes to fill. -
Exactly! Very well said. By not thinking Wins is an important stat to judge a pitcher by in no way diminishes how much wins matter for a team. Pitchers have a huge impact on winning, and SP'ers even more do, due to more IP. The more they prevent runs, the better they are and the chances of winning increases. A pitcher can allow zero ERs and still get the loss. Nuff said.
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How about 2010, when Felix won the ERA crown but went just 13-23 in 34 starts? No decisions with these ERs allowed 0 NDs with 4 or more ERs allowed 2 w 3 ERs 2 w 2 ERs 2 w 1 ER 2 w 0 ER Any poorly pitched wins? Nope! 2 wins with 2 ERS 6 with 1 ER 5 w 0 ERs Now, look at all the "unfair" losses: 0 ERs in 6.2 IP once (6 unearned runs) 1 ER in 8 IP once 2 in 7 IP three times 3 in 8 once Not really as bad as I expected.
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I looked at the game logs. He certainly could have won more, but let's start with some of his wins: 5 ER in 5 IP 4 ER in 9 IP, 3 times That's not a lot of "lucky wins." Now the No Decisions: ER/IP, including a 10 IP 0 ER game 4/7, 0/10 WOW!, 5/5 and 4/5 (He could have gotten a couple losses here.) Now, some of the losses 2/7, 3/9, 4/9 (part of 6 losses in a row, some bad starts) later... 2/11 and 1/8 I think there are about 3-4 games where a win was a near must, but maybe 2-3 where he could have gotten a loss in games he won or got a no decision.
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A Realistic View of the 2025 Red Sox: Part I
moonslav59 replied to moonslav59's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
Yes, I can see why he wants his big payday, next winter. Hopefully it works out for him, since that would mean he did great for us. -
Taking the Cheap Way Hardly Ever Works
moonslav59 replied to moonslav59's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
The main problem with Devers' defense is his arm. I think he would be fine at 1B. Since Casas sucks on D, my guess is Devers might be better or equal. Devers and Casas can share the 1B and DH slots in the line-up. They would not need many days off, as they could "rest" at DH. Okay, that causes an issue with out $18M DH, but we'd improve our 3B D and maybe our 1B D and add a RHB at 3B. We fix 2-3 problems by adding a good RHB 3Bman. I don't want Yoshida in LF, but if that is what we have to do, I'd rather have bad LF D than really bad 3B D. Maybe once Yoshi gets healthy, we can trade him and take a salary hit. I can see how that sort of makes signing Bregman cost Bregman's contract plus what we have to pay off Yoshi's deal, assuming he'd be our DH, kif not traded, even after we add Anthony, Campbell and Mayer to the line-up. Without trading Yoshida... 1. Duran CF 2. Bregman 3B 3. Casas DH/1B 4. Devers 1B/DH 5. Campbell 2B 6. Abreu> then> Anthony RF 7. Story SS 8. Yoshida LF v R/Refsnyder LF vs L 9. Wong-Narvaez C Utility: Rafaela & DHam (Romy/Grissom) Not ideal, but an improvement, IMO. -
Taking the Cheap Way Hardly Ever Works
moonslav59 replied to moonslav59's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
That's clue #1. LOL. -
Taking the Cheap Way Hardly Ever Works
moonslav59 replied to moonslav59's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
No prob. It was not highly advertised. I think Narvaez is #2 and Zavala #3, but it's just a guess. -
Taking the Cheap Way Hardly Ever Works
moonslav59 replied to moonslav59's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
I'd be fine with Bregman as our 3Bman, only. I do not think he is the right guy to "pick and see through on signing," but at this point, he's the best of the rest. He'd make us better in 2 significant ways: RHB and 3B defense. -
Taking the Cheap Way Hardly Ever Works
moonslav59 replied to moonslav59's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
Nick. Bregman is a pretty good defensive player and may be better or equal to Campbell at 2B. Maybe not. Bregman has done worse in his last 4-5 seasons over his first 3-4 seasons, but he's been pretty steady of the last few years, with slight decline in the last 2 years.. OPS+: 117>113>134>122>118 fWAR: 2.1>5.4>4.5>4.1 3B DRS: 2> -4> 5> 6 (OAA: 0>4>1>6) -
A Realistic View of the 2025 Red Sox: Part I
moonslav59 replied to moonslav59's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
It turns out there is an option on the Buehler deal. That makes it better, to me, although it's a "mutual option," so if he does great, he'll say no. $3.05M signing bonus. $15M contract $3M buyout on 2026 option of $25M. So, here is my question: if we want him back, and he says no, we don't pay the $3M, right? That should makes the 2025 contract only $18.05M, if it works out as I suggested it might. I wish it was a 100% team option. -
We need a lot to go right to be "better," but that was said every year, since the obvious 2020 decline season. We could simply look at Anthony, CamPbell and Mayer and think we will be better. We could simply hope for better luck with injuries and nice returns to form from Story, Casas, Yoshida and full seasons from Devers, Ref, Gio, Hendriks, Slaten and others and think we will be better. We can hope Chapman, Wilson and Hendriks will do better than Jansen and Martin, but I think this is only a hope. I do think our rotation looks better on paper: Crochet > Pivetta and the return of Gio gives us another choice. Maybe Sandoval returns in August. It looks fine to be optimistic here. The defense will be better, if Story returns. If we play DHam more at 2B or try Campbell there, we should be better there. Unless we trade Abreu, our OF defense should improve with more OF time for Rafaela, Abreu and maybe Anthony than we saw O'Neill and Ref get in 2024. Our corner IF and C still suck on D. On paper, we should be better. It does look like TOR, TBR and BAL did not do much to improve, on paper. I'm not sure the loss of Soto, Torres, Holmes and Cortes was made up by the additions of Fried, Devon Williams and others. Our additions range from very nice (Crochet with some durability concerns) to a risky Chapman to an eye on 2026 Sandoval. Others like Wilson and Narvaez are not spectacular, Our back up catcher declined, on paper. I guess we look like an overall plus. but didn't we need a clear and significant plus?
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I just asked for your opinion. You don't have to give it. It's not a witness stand, but normal conversations and debates usually see both sides answering each others' questions. I'm not sure why you see asking twice as being contentious. You rebutted many of my points made. I did not view that as being contentious. You made a statement that that we "go along with it because it seems like the thing to do. " I chose not to view that as contentious, but I guess it's all about perspective, but when someone disagrees with you- they are being "contentious." It's never you.
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Well, I was asking for your opinion on what group you felt was best. I guess we'll never know. Of course, it's all opinion, even to those who value fWAR more than wins. I don't know all the algorithms and calculations fWAR makes, but I do know it takes into account batting, fielding and running based on analyzing years of data to determine what events on the field is more likely to lead to a run being scored. Then, they break it down to runs created or lost, for batters. For pitchers, they look at events that relate to run prevention and scsale to how much a pitcher has pitched, and this is why pitchers who pitch way more innings might have a higher WAR than a better pitcher with less IP. fWAR is a quality and cumulative number, which makes it difficult to compare to other traditional stats. BA does not account for more PAs. HRs and RBI can and often do. fWAR uses FIP as it's main value determinator, and I think that is flawed. (FIP is Fielding Independent Pitching, which basically counts HRs, Ks and BBs and does not look kindly at good pitchers who induce many weakly hit balls but do not K many batters.) fWAR does make some adjustments, like a pitcher's defense behind them. I don't need to know all mechanisms to trust that their numbers are useful. I trust they know the math and have refined it over the years. I don't use WAR very often. I prefer the flawed combo stat OPS and OPS+ for batters and OPS Against for pitchers, as well as ERA-, which factors in parks and defense over just ERA and Wins or winning %. But that's just me and my opinion. The way I see it, if Wins was a major factor in determining the best pitchers, I'd like the wins leader board about as much as ERA and WAR leader boards. I don't, and that sort of confirms my bias.
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A Realistic View of the 2025 Red Sox: Part I
moonslav59 replied to moonslav59's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
I think we all know why he didn't sign w BOS, and this one is not about JH's stinginess. -
I tried not to cherry pick a sample size, so I searched the pitchers by GS since 2020 until I found a group 5 or 6 pitchers within 10-12 GS of each other. Here what I found (411-423 GS) W-L list 198-127 Wainwright 169-135 Felix 165-142 Zito 163-122 Hamels 160-154 AJ Burnett 146-142 Lohse fWAR List 54.1 Felix 51.7 Hamels 46.5 Wainwright 41.6 AJ Burnett 30.6 Zito 24.1 Lohse ERA 3.42 Felix & Hamels 3.54 Wainwright 3.98 Burnett 4.02 Zito 4.41 Lohse Just my opinion, but fWAR and ERA are ordered almost the exact same, and both look way better than the Wins list or even win% list. Do you disagree?
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How do you know the reasons we "go along with it?" I don't know a single person who goes totally by fWAR to determine who did better over whatever sample size is chosen. Not one. So, "going along with it" means just using it as one more fact to use to choose who you think is best. W-L tells mostly what team is best and what pitchers happened to meet a weird criteria for giving the win to one guy over the other. Why does it help to know what 21 wins means over 19, when we know the way of choosing the "win" is highly flawed? No, I don't know exactly how fWAR is determined, but I know it's not based on warped rules about 5 IP and if your team happened to have scored more at that point in the game- not to mention run support and great vs poor defenses behind the pitchers in question. When I look at teh lists of fWAR and ERA, or ERA+/ERA- leaders vs Wins leaders, I fell very confident the fWAR and ERA measures are not only better, but way better at telling me who the better pitchers are. I'm not saying you go by just wins, but you seem to count it more than fWAR. I've tried to answer your Qs as best and fully as I can. Why not answer mine? Of the 3 groups of pitchers I listed from 2022-2024, which group did you think was better? Both looked flawed to me.
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Who is the better group of pitchers over the past 3 years? Group A: F Valdez, Z Gallen, Z Wheeler, C Bassitt, J Berrios & Logan Webb/Wacha or Group B: Wheeler, Webb, Gausman, Nola, Cease, Valdez, Skubal/Burnes or Group C: Fried, Skubal, Snell, Wheeler, Valdez, Burnes, Verlander/Steele __________________________________ Group C is by ERA (300+ IP), Group B is FWAR and Group A is Win totals.
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Taking the Cheap Way Hardly Ever Works
moonslav59 replied to moonslav59's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
He might be the most likely to be signed player left on the market. Maybe Estevez or Kittredge are tied for the most likely RP'er we sign, but we could also trade Abreu for a RP'er. Speaking of "taking the cheap way," how about this: Sign Grichuk and Estevez. Trade: Abreu for Victor Caratini C (1 yr at $6M) and Luis Garcia RHP (2 arbs remaining) Garcia before the injury ('21-'22) 26-16 3.60 (113 ERA+ in 56 GS & 131 IP. 1.15 WHIP. Caratini had a 113 OPS+ in 2024 at age 30. Top half in throwing, framing and blocking in '24. Is this enough to call the winter barely successful? -
Taking the Cheap Way Hardly Ever Works
moonslav59 replied to moonslav59's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
Good to see you, again, and congrats on UConn's bowl win. Carlos Narvaez played 6 MLB games, last year and is ML ready. He's plus on D. He showed some HR power and OBP skills in the minors. Seby Zavala has played parts of 5 seasons in MLB with over 185 games played and over 550 PAs. I'd like to see a trade for someone like Sean Murphy, but what would we have to give up? (notin suggested Story.) -
Taking the Cheap Way Hardly Ever Works
moonslav59 replied to moonslav59's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
While we do look "all set," except for catcher and RP, there is still some "upgrading" that is needed, IMO, especially thinking RHB and a top RP or SP, not just "pen help." I'm sure they are set with the SP'ers we have.

