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I was testing harmony. (I bet he says no.)

Yes. We've all agreed it is a likely deal-breaker in any deal, even a beefed up one. Did you like this one? Casas, Abreu & Mayer for Gilbert & Felnin Celesten

If we add Scott & Holmes, our pen depth will be very nice. Scott Holmes Slaten Whitlock Hendriks Guerrero Guerrero Winckowski Fitts, Criswell, Priester, Dobbins Wilson, Fulmer, Bernardino, Kelly, Penrod Booser, Weissert, Mata, Campbell Shugart, Mills, Kwiatkowski, Gambrell, Drohan, Wikelman Hoppe, Troye, Sandlin, I Coffey We have tons of depth: we just need top RP'ers! 🤔

What pitcher could we get for Casas, Rafaela, Mayer and Fiits? How about Mayer, Rafaela, Yoshida for Castillo and Garver? Sign Fried, Bregman or Adames plus Scott and Holmes. _________________________ Fried, Castillo, Houck, Bello, Giolito (Crawford) Scott, Holmes, Slaten, Whitlock, Hendriks, Crawford, Guerrero, Winckowski 1. L Duran LF/CF 2. R Bregman 3B 3. L Casas DH/1B 4. L Devers 1B/DH 5. R Campbell 2B (L DHam/ R Grissom) 6. L Abreu RF/ R Refsnyder LF 7. L Anthony CF/RF 8. R Story SS 9. R Wong/ Garver C

I live in the HOU area and am no Bregman fan. He plays hard and is good on D, but he looks to be in decline, and starts the season slowly. That being said, if we lose out on Soto, how about this as a plan B? Sign Fried, Bregman, Scott and Higgy. Trade Casas, Abreu & Mayer for Gilbert & Felnin Celesten ____________________________ Gilbert, Fried, Houck, Bello & Giolito (Crawford) Scott, Slaten, Whitlock, Hendriks, Crawford, Guerrero, Wink/Fulmer, Wilson/Bernardino 1. Duran LF/CF 2. Bregman 3B 3. Anthony RF 4. Devers 1B 5. Story SS 6. Yoshida DH (Refsnyder) 7. Campbell 2B (DHam/Grissom) 8. Higgy/Wong C 9. Rafaela CF/Refsnyder LF Spend more and get Teoscar and replace Rafaela in the OF or sub Rafaela (plus maybe Fitts) for Abreu in the trade and play Abreu in RF and Anthony in CF.

ML Ready does not mean having ML experience. soxprospects.com lists Mayer and Campbell as "Early 2025" for their ETA's. They are not the only ones thinking both are ready. Only their non 40 man roster status may keep tahem back from opening the season on the 26.

If we sign Bregman, let's boost the D and play him at 3B, Devers at 1B and Campbell (DHam/Grissom) at 2B. Casas can DH or trade Casas and Abreu for a better pitcher than Crochet.

Snell's deal did nothing to Castillo's value.

I meant the core already in the bigs. Casas, Abreu, Rafaela, Bello, Fitts, Slaten Duran, Devers, DHan, Wong, Whitlock, Houck, Crawford

We didn't tear it!!!! Honest!

Not that much. DH might not even be safe for this china doll.

Dipoto surprises you, every year.

But Mayer and Campbell are ML ready, despite not being Rule 5 eligible.

I'd trade Wilyer and Arias or Meidroth or maybe Wilyer + Cespedes, but I'm not sure I'd do Wilyer + Perales. I brought up the other names to speak to the point about maybe the CWS wanting all prospects and not ML players.

Yet, when we suggest a Mayer or Campbell trade to SEA, you say you have enough infielders better than they are.

How about Bregman at 3B, Devers at 1B, Casas at DH or trade Arias, Casas + Abreu for an even better pitcher than Crochet? The defense would be way better. Bregman blocks Campbell at 2B. I'm not convinced Crochet is the real deal, and 2 years of control takes a bite out of our extended future.

Would Burnes or Fried plus an Abreu plus trade for Crochet or Woo/Miller plus Teoscar, Scott and Higgy be exciting enough? Burnes, Houck, Crochet, Bello, Giolito Scott, Hendriks, Slaten, Whitlock, Crawford, Guerrero, Fulmer/Wink, Wilson/Bernardino 1. Duran LF 2. Devers 3B 3. Casas 1B 4. Teoscar RF 5. Anthony CF 6. Campbell 2B 7. Story SS 8. Yoshida/Ref DH 9. Wong/Higgy C DHam-Grissom, Rafaela Utility

We have a lot of really good "not-yet-ready for MLB" prospects, but I'd hesitate to trade too many of them for just 2 years of a pitcher with a very limited sample size of success. Perales, Sandlin, Dobbins, Wikelman, Rodriguez, Early & Monegro Cespedes, Bleis, Arias, Meidroth, Romero & the Garica brothers Would you give up more than 2 or 3 of these 4 Perales, Cespedes, Bleis & Arias. Maybe 2 plus one from Sandlin or Meidroth would be my limit. Would they take Mayer straight up? He's Rule 5 eligible in 2025. (Teel is in 2027.)

Of course, that's a no. Mayer and Casas for Gilbert or Kirby, maybe.

How much would adding a top SP'er, now, either by trade or free agency, help convince Soto that the Sox are a legit contender in 2025?

Snell got what was expected. I don't see Castillo's value increasing, because of his signing. How much will Abreu's value go up, when the older and worse defender Teoscar signs for megabucks? I think you may be undervaluing another Sox player in Abreu.

As with any team, and as I mentioned, one major reason SEA might trade Castillo would be to save enough money to spend on a younger SP'er. Taking on Yoshida kills that main advantage for SEA. Adding Garver makes a dent, but not enough. Adding Garver and Haniger might be closer. Abreu + Yoshida for Castillo ($24.1, $24.1, $24.1), Garver ($12.5, $1M) & Haniger ($15.5.) SEA sheds $52M for 2025, $25M for 2026 and $24M for 2027, while adding $18M x 3. They's save $27M, $7M and $6M a year. Is that enough? The Sox would be essentially paying Castillo $27M, $7M and $6M and would lose Abreu (replaced by Anthony and maybe some OF time from Campbell) The Sox would have a back up catcher (Garver) who sucks on D as the bridge to Teel and a RHB OF'er (Haniger who is in decline.) I do not think this trade suggestion is a sure No from SEA's side. They save $40M and may view Castillo as in decline. They's gain a roster spot on the 40 to add a SP'er and would have a much better RF'er in Abreu.

I'm not doubting you personal observations, but somebody must like a lot of what they have seen from Sandlin and Tolle. Of course, both will need to improve to advance to the bigs, but the same can be said about almost every good pitching prospect. I may sound hypocritical, since with pitching I have always been a strong advocate of quality over quantity as a foundational strategy, but I do think the sheer quantity of decent looking pitchers on the farm, who have some level of "quality" and room for growth makes for an interesting situation. We don't need all to succeed. Hell, 2 out of 3 could suck, and we might still end up with a decent 7-10 guys, where 2-3 end up doing very well and 2-3 fill s key role on the big club. Is it that hard to imagine 4-6 from this group making a difference, someday? 6. Perales Grad Priester, 12 Fitts, 11 Dobbins, 13 Tolle, 14 Sandlin 21. Guerrero, 20. Cason, 18 Wikelman, 23, Valera, 24 Penrod, 25 ERod, 26 Monegro 8 Paez, 29 Mullins, 33 Wehunt, 39 Bastardo, 41 Dean, 42 Carlson , 57 I Coffey, 58 Rogers 27 Reyes, 36 Neely, 37 Clarke, 38 Tygart, 44 Ingrassia, 60 Ehrlicher Long shots: Mata, Gambrell, G Jackson, Uberstine There is over 30 pitchers on this list. We need maybe 10-15% to make an impact.

Technically, it comes to about $36M x 5, but the deferred money mayes it about $32M x 5. (I just used MLBTR numbers. They missed Kikuchi by just $1M a year and had the 3 year length right.)

Trout is the scary warning sign example. He played in 157-159 games four years in a row from age 21-24. There was no indication of future injury issues, except maybe that he played the CF position hard. From age 25 on, here are the most games played in descending order: 140 (age 26) 134 (27) 119 (30) 114 (25) 82 (31) 53, 36, 29 GOD! That is frighteningly ugly!