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Cartaya might be a better C option. We might get him with Gonsolin or Gray instead of just Ruiz.

Including Kelly helps, but that was not part of the original comp between Joc and Pollock. I doubt the Dodgers kick in those prospects unless we add a lot of money. Taking back Pollock, to me, seems like the best way to get more from LA. It saves them money over 3 years- the length of Price's deal.

Maybe not $39.9Mover the line, but yes, why not?

What's the advantage? A 2020 ring? We'll be better off spending large in 2021 than not.

We need to save $19M to reset- more based on what some sources claim. JBJ needs to go, too.

And save $19M?

We are not going to get someone to pay $18-20M/yr for Price. We have to trade Price and JBJ to reset and keep Betts for 2020. I'm fine with that, but only if we end up keeping Betts. Losing Betts and getting nothing in return is the worst case scenario and badly hurts our rebuilding timetable. I want Betts in the Sox future as much or more than anyone, but I think the fixation on trying for one last gasp in 2020 and projection the appearance that we will be strong 2020 contenders may slow or prevent us from getting back on top in the next 3-5 years. I'm thinking we should probably look to shorten the down time to as little as maybe one year by resetting, getting what we can for 1 year players and then going back to spending large in 2021 by bringing back Betts along with other key signings and trades that may get us back to being high contenders in 1-2 years not 3-5, if that. It's not an easy choice to make, and there's a lot of complexities to consider.

He'd have to have a big year in 2020 to get someone to pay enough to make up the difference. If he does have a nice 2020 season, then we'll have a lot to replace. Betts's raise will likely be 75% of what we save when JBJ bolts.

Rising arb costs and resigning or replacing Betts would disallow a reset in 2021.

If we are looking to be contenders in 2021 and beyond, we can use all the help we can get. The IFA market used to be a big reason our farm was good to great. HRam & Anibal Sanchez (Got us Beckett & Lowell) Doubront Dice-K Okajima Tazawa Bogaerts Iggy (Got us Peavy) Montas J Aro Lin Matgot (Helped get us Kimbrel) G Bautista (Helped get us A Reed) Devers D Hernandez Moncada (Helped us get Sale) Espinoza (Got us Pomeranz) Since we got DD: Hector Velazquez

He was also lying about how and when he got hurt, and the Sox did not challenge that. Nomar was a minus defender at a critical position. He was a cancer in the clubhouse. He needed to go. We needed a real SS. We got one: we won.

Yes, but resetting in 2020 would help us spend large in 2021 without hurting the IFA money, right?

He's better, mainly because he has just one year left. The financial offset is not enough to entice the Dodgers to 1) say yes 2) include something else useful. This is not an option: Betts + Price for Joc alone. If we trade Betts + Price for Pollock or Joc, we might as well trade JBJ, JD and Workman, too. Shoot for 2021 by maybe bring back Betts (JD?) or spending large elsewhere. To me, we are barely a contender in 2020, as is. Trading Betts tilts the balance to me thinking it's best to just trade all short term players and look to 2021 and beyond.

Nomar was not our best player in 2004. Betts is our best player, today.

What about IFA pool money?

Nomar was far from being our best player, at the time of the trade.

It would be the quickest and surest way to get back on top, but too many fans might revolt. We could look to bring Betts & maybe JD back in 2021. The hardest one to part with, to me, would be Betts and ERod. Here are the 1 & 2 year control players: 1 Betts JBJ Workman JD (opt out likely) 2 Pedroia (not trading) ERod Barnes Hembree 3 (Not a big part of 2022 plans) Price Eovaldi JD (if no opt out)

Good but not highly competitive with Joc in RF over Betts.

That loss to Michigan killed us. We keep playing the hardest opponent real close but lose, then lose a game we should win. I'm not sure we'll ever get back on top with all the academic restrictions we have these days.

Devers should never be brought up in any trade talks.

If Betts is gone, why keep anyone with just 1 year of control, assuming we can get something good for him?

Then let's trade 'em for Upton or include Walden or Chavez in the deal... LOL.

Well, it seems like the only reason stopping the deal is the money, so yes- it's the "only reason." Ofcourse, I'd rather have 1 year of Joc than 3 of Pollock, but the Dodgers need more cash or salaries off their books.

Taking Pollock improves the cash flow for the Dodgers and allows us to get a better prospect(s). I doubt Betts & Price for Pederson gets us anything more.

Can we stop the Joc talk? Please! The guy has one year left and gets us nowhere. Plus, he's basically a platoon player. His estimated $9M arb does not sweeten the financial burden all that muc for the Dodgers. The obvious stumbling block is the money. As much as I don't really want Pollock and Kelly, they do have a chance at rebounding and are better than just sending cash to LA to offset Price's bloated contract. Pollock is owed $51M/3, but his $12M x 3 luxury tax burden is a big help for the Sox budget plans. Kelly is owed $21M/2 (assuming he gets the $4M buyout on a $12M 3rd year), but his lux number is $8.3M x 2. Together, these two cost $73M, which is more than what is needed to offset Price's value and contract of $96M/3. Betts is worth more than $27M, so no offset is needed there. The problem is, the Dodgers don't want to pay mega taxes either. Dodger cost: Year 1: $59M (Price $32M + Betts $29M/ Lux tax cost is $58M) Year 2: $32M Price ($31M LUX) Year 3: $32M Price ($31M LUX) Sox cost: Year 1: $23.5M (Pollock $15M + Kelly $8.5M/ Lux is $20.3M) Year 2: $26.5M (Pollock $18M + Kelly $8.5M/ Lux is $20.3M) Year 3: $22M (Pollock$13M + $5M buyout + $4M Kelly buyout/ Lux is $12M) The Differential (Dogers pay this much more than the Sox): Year 1: $35M ($28M on Lux line) Essentially, the Dodgers are paying $27M for Betts and $8M for Price but no longer have Pollock & Kelly. Year 2: $5M ($11M Lux) Dogers are paying $5M for Price in 2021 (no Pollock/Kelly) Year 3: $10M ($9M Lux) Dodgers are paying $10M for Price (no Pollock) To me, including Pollock & Kelly cancels out the Price contract vs worth, so we need some good prospects returned in the deal.