moonslav59

Good thinking. We'll have oddles of room on our 40 man, while SD will be facing a 40 man crunch.

Our best bet is to hope one or both bounce back and improve their trade value or their outlook for helping us in 2022 & 2023. Trading them now would mean us paying many many millions for nothing.

Agreed. No Beni in CF- PLEASE!

I'm not sure about "cheaper" who can field AND hit, but I know we can get someone who can field about as well as JBJ for maybe $2-3 or 4M. Name someone we can sign for $10M that can field and hit as well as JBJ.

Most of the top 10-15 RP'er from last year's FA market sucked this year. The odds were against DD picking the right one. I like Ottavino, too, but I also liked Cody Allen as a cheaper get.

Are you now saying it's not random?

Paying a 50% tax is absurd. I can see disagreeing with a reset, but not understanding it is different. Spending just under the tax is still more than 25+ teams, so it should be enough to compete. If not, something is wrong.

I'd rather we get someone who can field as well as JBJ.

Yes, my bad. 3 x $32=96. Even without the luxury tax savings, I might still do this deal. I'd even pitch in $5-7M a year to help off set the difference. We'd still save $10-12M on the luxury tax budget. I think Bloom can make that $12M go a long way.

I was happy to see him sign for more than double what I thought he was worth. I never viewed him as a traitor. He was like our spy inflicting damage to the Yankee infrastructure.

They could if JD opts out or is traded and we don't bring JBJ back. To reset, we'd have to trade Price. If we trade him for Wil Myers (almost the same money owed), we'd save over $15M on the tax budget cost. That being said, we will NOT sign Cole. 0.001% chance.

Myer is owed: 20:$20M, 21:$20M, 22:$20M, 23:$20M club option ($1M buyout). That could be $61M/3 compared to Price's $96M/3. The luxury hit is only $14M as compared to price's $31M. I'd do it. Myers can play 1B and OF. We need both positions. With the saved money, Bloom can find a couple lower cost gems to fill the 4-5 slots for Price & Porcello. Throw in Travis & Johnson.

I'm far from giving up on Sale earning his salary. IMO, he could have surgery, miss a whole season and maybe still earn his contract by having 4 typical Sale dominating seasons.

Price has a much better chance of adding value to a team, but he's owed $66M/3. Ellsbury is burnt toast, but he's only owed $26M/1 or $42M/2. I'd do it. I'd even throw in Hembree, Johnson or Velazquez. (Maybe 2, if they want 'em.)

I expect the Yanks to be better due to it being almost impossible to match last year's injuries, and yes, I think Cashman gets an ace, this off season. I'm hoping they fall flat, but it would be against steep odds.

I've never said there are no upsets in baseball or that there are less than other sports, but it is not random. Better teams win more often. It's not 50-50. Yes, it's closer to 50% than 100%, but it is far from totally random. FAR!

I'd rather we trade JD and get something in return, but if he opts out it would be a positive step in the rebuilding process. It will hurt our chances for next year and maybe 2021 and 2022, too, but if Bloom spends the saved money wisely, maybe it won't hurt so much in the near future as losing JD seems to indicate.

I didn't say I wanted to offer him that- just that we could, if we wanted. I'm for trading JD, if he doesn't opt out. I'm still not sure he will. It makes more sense to opt out after 2020.

If he's worth that at age 35, we could just counter with a similar offer, if he opts out.

He's a left coast guy.

It's easy to just say, "Trade Price & Eovaldi." Are you for it or against it? How much salary are we chipping in? Are we adding some decent talent or prospects to the deals to get someone to take them without us paying so much? If so, who? Also, we can just non tender JBJ, so we don't need to trade him to cut salary. We would not "save $60M" unless we trade Betts with Price and Beni with Eovaldi. Am I for that? No. I do think we should explore any interest in these guys, but unless we can save a lot of money by trading them, and don't lose significant players as add-ons, I'm thinking we may be better off hoping and praying they bounce back and either increase their future trade value or help us win more in the next 3 years.

That does not prove randomness. Even if you go by each head-to-head series, here's what it looks like: Nat> Mil check Rays> Oak (1 win difference, but Rays had higher total WAR) STL>Atl (6 wins less but had a better 2nd half record 47-27 to 43-28) WAS> LAD (13 wins less but was one of the best 2nd half team) NYY> MN check HOU> TBR check WAS>STL check HOU>NYY check So far, 5 faves have won, and 3 did not, but one could call the TB-Oak play-in game as an even game. If you don't count the one game play-in game, which is certainly more "random" than a 5 or 7 game series, the record is Faves 4- Underdogs 2. It's still not random. 2nd half records: 50-22 HOU 47-27 STL 46-26 NYM did not make playoffs 46-24 LAD 46-27 WAS 46-24 OAK 45-28 MN 44-27 TB 43-21 CLE no playoffs 43-28 ATL 42-29 MIL I'm not trying to move the goal posts with this second half stuff. I mentioned season W-L records may not be the best way to determine who were the best teams each year and then show if the best teams win, but to me it it pretty obvious the better teams win more often. I still have yet to see any clear evidence to show it's 50-50. I'm open to change my mind, but give me something. Overall WAR totals and playoff records? Second half records vs PO wins. Last 30 game records vs PO wins. Does anyone really believe the better team doesn't have a better chance at winning a 5 or 7 game series? You gotta show me more than 2 or 3 upsets out of 8 match-ups this year. If anything that should be used as evidence it is NOT random.

Maybe next year the Yanks will have the sort of surprise we had this year.

It's definitely worth it, if the projected offer is for real. It also would mean he and his contract are tradeable, assuming he does not opt out.

So, if he stays in Boston, he gets $63.5M/3. If he opts out he might get $80M/4 plus the $2.5M for opting out. He's basically adding an extra year for $19M. Right?