moonslav59

Thanks, oldtimer. We will be having a small gathering outside at our daughter's fiance's home. It's been our "bubble" for months, but even then, this is just the 4th time we have gotten together since March. We've done nothing else, in terms of group settings. Although it's hard for me to go a day without thinking of the Sox, today I will try. Have a great day with your brother and his wife.

Happy Thanksgiving!

I'm not seeing what you are seeing. I'm not asking you to dig up a post or two. There are probably a few, for sure. As for bashing GMs being playground stuff, it's been an American pastime since I can remember- not that it makes it right. Assigning blame to anything and everything is something that seems to be expanding and deepening. I can't say I haven't partaken in various assignings, myself. I'm not sure why going way back is any more juvenile or hateful than talking about just the present state of affairs. My main point was not so much about the choice of terminology but the fact that is was only assigned to the DD hate crowd, while many of the DD defenders seemd to part of the Ben-bashing crowd, but that was apparently not "juvenile"or "hateful." I, for one, and thankful for all the GMs we've had going back to Dan Duquette. I'm not saying their time was never up or that never felt a change of GM (or manager) was needed, but I have a net positive view of all the last 5or 6 Gms we've had, including Bloom. This doesn't mean I won't speak out against something I disagree with, but they all had my overall support.

I'd like to know some of the specific "juvenile Bashings" and how they differed from Ben bashings. When even Theo got bashed, it's obvious, it comes with the territory.

Then, you woke up. Was there coffee brewing?

I'm cautiously optimistic one or two of these guys will be better than decent- maybe more. I also like Seabold and Ward. Here's a list of the Sox prospects pitchers, their ranking by soxprospects.com, age and projected 2021 level: 3. Mata 21 AAA 7. Houck 24 MLB (AAA?) 8. Ward 23 AA (>AAA?) 9. Seabold 24 AAA (>MLB?) 10. A Ramirez 19 A 11. Song 23 N/A 12. Groome 22 A+ (>AA?) 18. C Murphy 22 A+ 22. Bello 21 A+ 23. J Wallace 22 A+ 24. Zeferjahn 22 A+ 26. Bazardo 25 AAA (>MLB?) 27. J Rodriguez 20 A 28. D Feltman 23 AAA 30. Chih-Jung Liu 21 A

Especially on this team. So far, everyone we've DFA'd have went unclaimed. I expect that to happen to Stock and the next few players we DFA, as well.

We can all breathe easier, now.

There's not much to talk about until some Sox signings start. Talking about past GMs and managers is a longstanding practice by many fans- probably more so with Sox fans. Sure, there's some bashing or "derogatory comments" that keep coming up. This most recent conversation included calling DD basher's comments "juvenile." I agree there have been more negative comments about DD recently, but IMO, I'd say there were way more Ben bashings going on within a year or two of his departure than with DD, but that's just my opinion and perception- not that it really matters. I may disagree on the idea that discussions about past GMs only serves one purpose, but it's a good thing we don't all see things the same way.

Me, too, and to be honest, he came out of nowhere, in terms of my radar. I never expected him to show what he has shown, so far. It's a small sample size, and he still has a lot to prove, but I'm super excited, too! I'm thinking "special one," as well.

The closest anyone is to "hating" DD is/was Kimmi and notin, but I've never viewed their opinions on him as being hateful. Kimmi has very little good to say about him and has been highly critical- not just in hindsight. notin has praised some of what he did while being highly critical of more of what he did and the state he left us in. Maybe I'm missing someone else, but if these two are the leaders of any "hate crowd," I'm failing to see it. To me, the Ben critics were more plentiful and vociferous. (I'll never call them Ben haters.)

Is this a possible scenario? We cut Pedey loose, and he's off the 40 man roster, then during the 2021 season, when someone goes on the 60 day IL, we reinstate Pedey for a one game ceremony where he gets one final AB. After the game, he returns to retirement. I don't think this issue is all that concerning. 1. We have no roster crunch- 26 man or 40 man, as of now. (Once we start signing our 6th or 7th FA, then maybe...) 2. I think they've already discussed the fact that Pedey will retire, only the details remain uncertain. 3. If no agreement can be made, we simply DFA Pedey and have a Pedey Day next season.

No, of course not, but I'm not banking on us being a David Price away from a 2021 ring.

I like the idea of sweetening the return from the Braves by taking Inciarte. I think we can get Wright, Wilson and Inciarte for Dalbec and some smaller piece. I'm not sure they like Dalbec or what "small piece" they might want.

Even if he does well, if he wouldn't have made a difference here with the Sox, and we spend those savings wisely to the point where we see a plus beyond 2021, it might still be a plus for us.

What's Wong with you?

What's goin' Downs?

Or, Que Casas? Su Casas es mi Casas.

Yes, and Verdugo does not need to end up nearly as good as Betts. We traded 40% of a season from Betts for over 4 years of Verdugo. Downs and Wong can add gravy to the deal. Saving $16M a year on Price was also a plus, although some here feel otherwise.

I dislike a few things he did, but overall, I'm glad we had him as our GM, and the great 2018 season outweighs the cliff we are in, now.

How about ... Dalbec & Chatham (or Song) for Wilson, Wright, Langeliers and Inciarte?

The "hate" Dombrowski cowd?

That's what this site is designed for- discussion about anything to do with the Sox, and GM debates often go on forever. I'm fine with people giving their 2 cents, and yes, some in nonsense directed towards both Ben and DD. That's my 2 cents.

I don't disagree, but we likely will not be in the WS, this year, so how much is Morton worth in 2022? It's too much of an unknown, even on a 2 year deal.

Very true. Not having to pay Price made a very bad situation slightly better- for both clubs.