moonslav59

I'm not pretending I do. I do think there are many clues that support the idea that the longer term is a higher priority than the here and now, but like I said, that could an has in the past, "turned on a dime."

We are seeing what going all in ends up doing. 2018 and the consequences. Repeating that does not seem like a a good plan, and yes, there seems to be vast and fierce differences of opinion of this.

I don't think it's that simple. I also think they will want to reset this winter or next, and signing Devers, Bogey and Story will make that very difficult, unless they go cheap nearly everywhere else. I think the "all in NOW" idea is a pipedream.

He had restricted spending. He could have "settled Bogey," but we'd have no Story and the same amount of holes to fill.

Yes, we know this is your opinion. I disagree this foundation is close the ones where we added Pedro, Manny, Schilling, Lackey and Price to.

I'm not arguing against staying even by signing Devers and Bogey. I disagree on your characterization of "Bloom letting it get to this point." He had little choice and did very well on many of his "choices," but certainly holding that opinion has merit and a large following.

I remember saying the Carl Crawford signing would "cripple us for years." Luckily, we were able to get to dump him, but it took getting rid of a couple stars to do it.

We will have to spend so much just to stay even at 2B, SS & 3B. Is wasting the future worth going after a questionable "win NOW" plan? In the past we had a bigger core to "go all in" around than we do, now. The foundation has to be built up, first. We have too many high need areas to expect any GM to hit the jackpot on in one winter of flurry- more like blizzard- spending and trading.

I've been agreeing with you far too often, lately.

I think it will be a big trade not a big signing that puts us over the top. Think Pedro, Schilling, Beckett and to a lesser extent Porcello for the 4 ring years.

So, we spend much of our winter spending budget to just not get worse at SS and 3B. We are left needing to fill the innings left by Wacha, Hill, Nate and Strahm and the declining bat of JD. The only solution to "going all in" in the "PRESENT" would be to spend significantly over the tax line for year 2 OR trade a few top prospects to improve at some higher need areas- most likely both would be needed to be a top contender in 2023. Do you really think this is what JH and the top brass wants Bloom to do? If your answer is no, why would they look to replace him? He'd be doing what they wanted. I do think we could see a repeat of Ben, as he was expected to create somewhat contending teams during a rebuild, but failed badly in 3 of 4 years. Bloom needs to hit on his additions, but IMO, he did pretty well in that area, last winter, but the results were a last place team. I do not see a DD type replacing Bloom, if the axe does fall after 2023. It will be someone with the same outlook as Bloom, but maybe better at it.

You said it much better than I.

I think the problem with your position is this is that JH and upper brass share the longer term priority strategy they hired Bloom to put in place. Why would they get someone to switch to new philosophies they don't share? They also see the falling attendance and NESN subscriptions and have to walk the thin line. I understand you and probably the majority of Sox fans want more immediate success, especially after going pretty long with near total disappointments since 2018. I'm frustrated, too, and I'm probably one of the most extreme "in for the long term" Sox fans in existence. In my opinion, the Sox will push hard to make the playoffs in 2023- harder than 2021 and 2022, but they will not go "all in," just yet. If they fail to make the playoffs, again, perhaps heads will role, but I seriously doubt they bring in a DD type GM who will trade away much of the farm. I think upper management is sold on the idea of sticking to a sustainable winning system being pout in place and adhered to for the long haul. It's just my opinion. At any moment, they can turn on a dime, like they have in the past. With so much budget flexibility, this winter, one could easily argue "NOW IS THE TIME," but with so few major impact FAs out there, I don't think this is the year to spend large and long on several players. We could try to sign some mid-tier FAs to 2-5 years, who we think will not only help in 2023 but beyond, as well. A big trade is probably needed to make us highly competitive, but that might not happen until the following winter. This should be a very telling winter, and if Bloom does not go "all in," it shouldn't be viewed as his choice, alone.

Bloom may need some arm-twisting to pull off a big trade involving a top prospect or two. I think it will happen, as I felt Ben would have eventually done, too, but I'm just not sure this winter is the time they choose to pull the trigger. We have a ton of young talent that will get some playing time on the big club in 2023. I count 14-16, not including Whitlock or Houck. Maybe we wait to see who shines, and where we need the most help. I know the natives are restless, and maybe that will force a deal sooner than planned. I'm not sure those fans can be placated with a bunch of one year signings, as we punt the major decisions down the road one more year.

A true Sox fan. I'm with you 100%. I'm pretty sure many of our younger players will struggle of fizzle out into obscurity, but with so many coming up in the next few months, I'm pretty certain quite a few will shine and some will fill some lesser, yet important roles on our team going forward. Bello Casas Rafaela (late '23?) Mata (mid '23) Walter (late '23) Wong Kelly German E Valdez (mid '23) Murphy (mid '23) TWard (late '23) R Hernandez Bazardo Winckowski Seabold Duran Downs 2024? Mayer Yorke Lugo Kavadas Abreu Drohan Binelas, Koss, Hamilton, Politi, Wallace, Granberg

They also wrote that their end of year rankings will come out Thanksgiving week.

soxprospects.com answered my query about Enmanual Valdez's Rule 5 and Minor League Free Agent status, thusly... He will be a minor league free agent unless resigned or added to the 40 man. If he's signed to a Minor league deal he would be rule 5 eligible. Otherwise we don't list minor league free agents on the rule 5 list cuz they're technically not eligible. We anticipate he'll be added to the 40 man.

Boggs in NY was demoralizing, too. I'm actually hoping some GM forces Cashman to wildly overpay for Judge. His contract will cripple them for years to come.

For the longest time, the Sox hardly ever got a top 10 pick, so maybe I just wasn't all that into reading about the top players in the draft. I'm not doubting what was written, but I honestly don't ever remember hearing Groome was so highly regarded. It's interesting we just traded Groome for Hosmer, a ton of cash, Ferguson and Rosier.

I guess I wasn't paying that close attention back when we drafted Groome.

I don't recall all the hype about Groome being the best in the draft. IMO, on draft day, Mayer was the best draft pick the Sox have ever had. Personally, I don't think Groome, Beni, Nomar or Billy C were close.

Maybe the closest but still not close, IMO. I don't think anyone had either of those two in the top 2 or 3, let alone 4. Our highest draft picks: 3. Mike Garman '67 4. Mayer '21 4. Ken Brett '66 5. Billy Conigliaro '65 7. Beni '15 7. Trot Nixon '93 7. Trey Ball '13 12. Nomar '94 12. Adam Everett '98 12. Jay Groome '16

I know Mayer was not drafted 1st, 2nd or 3rd. Maybe "consensus" was not all that accurate, but I recall reading some writers saying things like that. Many services had him going #1. Have we ever drafted anyone like that before? We've never had a draft pick with this hype. I'm certain of that- well since the early 70's when I started following the Sox, anyway.

I'm torn between the idea or trading or not. When have we ever had the consensus best pick of any draft? I'm not one that thinks extending Bogey blocks him, either. By the time Mayer is ML ready, Bogey can be moved to 3B or 2B. I'm thinking our best chance to win is not in 2023, so now is not the time to trade him. Then, I think of what we might get for him, and if it's 5 years of a top pitcher, then I start wobbling.

BTV accepts Casas & Wikelman for 4 years of Luis Garcia Would anyone give up Mayer & Wikelman for 3 years of Singer & 2 years of Barlow? Mayer & Wikelman for 4 years of McKenzie & 6 yrs of Oscar Gonzalez?