moonslav59

Yes, the hypothetical was where does Story play, SS or 2B, if the plan is to start Downs, next season. (Not likely, but just trying to get a feel for how strongly people feel about leaving Story at 2B, next year, assuming Bogey does not return.

Quite often the guy you most recently added to the 40, is the first to go. Some never even play a game. Yes, Ort did well at Woo, but so have many pitchers- some have not looked as good, but with much larger ML sample sizes. I could be wrong, but I really don't think Brasier is in the top 2-3 on Bloom's DFA list. We may not find out, soon, since others with options will be demoted, first, in all likelihood.

Not sure if this is sarcasm, but I was fully on board with Whitlock starting (and Houck closing.) While the Sox went 5-4 in Whitlock's 9 starts, about par with the team's winning %, he had some games where the pen messed up a good start, or the bats were silent. (All of our starters have faced these problems, too.) The 4 losses... 4 IP 1H 0ER 0 BB 7K (We lost 3-2 @ TBR) 3 IP 4H 0ER 2BB 2K (Lost 1-0 @ TOR) 5 IP 2H 2ER 0BB 9K (Lost 10-5 v LAA) 6 IP 5H 2ER 1BB 4K (Lost 12-8 v BAL) In all fairness, he did have one start where he let up 5ER in 4 IP (10 hits) and we won 6-5, but with some luck, we could easily have been 8-1 in his 9 starts.

For sure? Because of 2 IP?

We'd b e adding more to the package to offset the negative values of B & D. The Padres would still save money, but yes, they would probably like to save as much as possible. BTV accepted: Barnes & Diekman for Hosmer, Campusano & Snell The Padres would save over $50M.

If you had to DFA Diekman or Brasier, today, who would you choose? How do Ort and Valdez fall on your first to be DFA'd chart? Anyone else high on your list? (Not the list you think Bloom has, but your list.)

Myers is refuse, too.

One man gathers what another man spills.

Don't we want pitchers to be mean SOBs and not "cool dudes?"

How do these numbers stack up to Diekman?

For argument's sake, let's say the plan is Downs. Who plays SS?

Losing Devers scares the hell out of me! He's a unique talent. There is no "book on him." He's just entering peak prime, now. He's a Yankee killer. (I know that's your soft spot.) Instead of $290M/10, just go $300M/11.

True dat. He's been astounding on defense. I still wonder about where he plays, next year: SS or 2B.

Yes, and what I think some eye test posters might think is that stat geeks don't watch or enjoy watching the game like they do. Like numbers are swirling around our head during the game, that blind us to what we see on the field. Another thing I feel they may get wrong is that they think we see a stat or metric and then watch a game trying to confirm it is true. On this point, I'd like to add how I often use stats and metrics. Many times, I observe a certain trend or aspect of a player and form an opinion, then I look to see if the stats back up my opinion and or compare how said player compares to others in the area I formed an opinion. One example was when Ellsbury came up. I originally thought he was a plus defender, but when I looked at his numbers it showed otherwise. Instead of just believing the stats, I started watching him more closely. Now, some might think I was then letting the stats bias my observations, but I don't think I did. I had been arguing with other posters that he was a plus defender. I'd have to admit I was wrong, which I ended up doing after watching more closely over time. The further aspect of this example was that eventually, Ellsbury did become a plus defender over the year, and my observations and the stats/metrics showed he did. I'm not sure why BA has so much more pull than SLG or OBP, for some. Sure, a single is worth more than a walk, but clearly a 2B, 3B, and HR are worth more than a single or walk, right? Then, the whole rbi thing. It's been beaten to death, so I'll let that one go, except to say that it seems to me, and I may be wrong, that some posters who use rbi way more than others, also want us to re-sign Bogey way more than others. I guess we all have our contradictions- stat geeks and non stat geeks.

Snell has so much upside, I'd give more than that for him, especially if they took Barnes and Diekman.

How can anyone compete with Winckowski?

Careful. You'll be linked with the posse.

Yes, and I made that point earlier. It's not usually about stats vs the eye test, it's about specific stats or metrics being used that a particular poster does not like, trust or understand, fully. Some of the "trickier" stats involve defense and the full array of a catcher's duties and influences. Fldg% and eye tests are so severely flawed that criticizing the flaws of DRS and UZR, of which there are many faults, really rings hollow, to me.

The other thing about the "eye test" is that hardly anyone watches other games, besides the Sox, and nobody watched every play of every MLB game, so it's hard to know comparative value of anyone without stats or metrics to help with personal observations. Stats can be deceiving. Stats can be cherry-picked to suit your purposes. Stats can miss the big picture or another aspect of player value or non value. Stats don't lie, though. It always gets me when an eye test guy says something like, "so-and-so has been in an awful slump, lately," and you show some stats that show the guy has a .900 OPS over the last week, and .850 over the last 2 weeks, and an .800 over the last month, and they still stick to their beliefs. Sure, some of those hits, in that time period, might have been lame, of the players has made outs every key situation during that time, but facts are facts.

At Devers age, a 10 year deal is not the same as one for say, Bogey. Sweeten the pie with a nice signing bonus and or lower the AVV by adding another year.

Maybe because we have 3-4 other starters that had higher media coverage, he got left out.

I think the Sox need the break, more. I'm hoping we get some players back after the break.

I don't want to sound like I'm confident in Brasier. I'm not, right now. I just think others are worse and mayb e project to be worse going forward.

In 2.1 IP. Brasier has quite a few nice 2.1 IP stretches.

Shocking.