Bellhorn04
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This was posted and discussed here yesterday. Felger is not a credible source.
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This post is a POS.
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There would be a lot of guesswork involved in any such calculation, of course. The Red Sox won it all in 2018, but in 2019 NESN viewership dropped by 20%. It seems that Red Sox fans aren't quite as loyal as they once were. Nonetheless the stated market value of the franchise just keeps going up.
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It's actually FanGraphs who came up with those dollar values per WAR. They do it based on actual contracts to free agents and WAR generated by the free agents. What it really represents is the dollar cost per WAR of an average free agent, including all the busts of course. That's why the values look inflated.
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I think Price's contract was *mostly* worth it for the 2016, 2017 and 2018 division titles and the 2018 ring.
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That's correct, pitchers are much higher risk injuries. That's part of why it's not apples to apples.
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Show me an owner of a sports team who isn't rich and doesn't love money. Teams are not owned for philanthropy purposes.
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Price is, however, the guy on the cover of the 2018 Red Sox World Series DVD set.
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12 years is 5 years longer than 7 years. My philosophy is that there is a lot that can go wrong, and the more time is involved, the more opportunity for those things to go wrong. The other thing is that pitchers and position players are not apples to apples. Price's contract was a sizable overpay, no question. But at the time, we had a potential window for success, and pitching was our big need.
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I'd say roughly equal. But to me the back end of Mookie's deal is even scarier. Mookie will be 28 when his deal starts and 40 when it ends.
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And some argue that speed is a huge part of Mookie's game and that will be where he declines.
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We've got A-Rod's deal with the Yankees and Pujols's deal with the Angels as more evidence that signing guys into their 40's is not a great idea.
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Yep. But even Manny's deal was "only" 8 guaranteed years. Mookie's is a full 50% longer than that.
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Your position is at least as speculative as mine. Tom Werner's comments after Mookie signed the extension said nothing about short-term constraints. He talked about the length of the deal and how sketchy the results of such long deals have been etc.
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It was far from impossible.
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Yes, like the way you insist on blaming Mookie's departure on DD.
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I wonder if there are any Dodgers fans thinking "Hmmm...it would be nice to have the option of David Price starting games instead of Gonsolin & May..."
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If we want to go all anecdotal on Mookie, the one that stings a bit, and came from Mookie himself, is that when the Red Sox first offered him an extension, it was for $200 million - for 8 years I believe - he says he was very close to taking it, but his mother gave him a little talk about not acting hastily and not acting on emotion, or words to that effect.
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You're a more studious observer than I was. I assumed Jeter was good because he didn't make many errors.
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No, it doesn't dismiss that. But it clearly contradicts the idea that it's so bad that guys will not play in Boston even if Boston offers the most money.
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Jeter is Exhibit A for why the eye test alone ain't enough. Like many, I'm sure, (including Gold Glove voters) I was shocked to hear how bad his advanced metrics were.
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The facts do not support the premise, of course. David Price is the most recent example of a player who is not only African-American, but had some prior issues with the Red Sox, David Ortiz at least, and wasn't exactly a favorite of Boston fans. But $217 million persuaded him to play in Boston for 7 years. He also declined an opportunity to opt out. And yes, I realize that decision was influenced by the fact that he wouldn't have gotten as much on the market. But that's the whole point. The money was enough to keep him in Boston. Price is not all about the money, either, as he proved by opting out of the 2020 season because of COVID concerns.
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Tie series, baby.
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Hard to say now because of the pandemic factor.
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Alright Rays, nice rally. 3 runs in 4 innings off Dave Roberts's parade of lesser pitchers.
