Bellhorn04

Absolutely. My policy has always been to count the Yankees out the day they're mathematically eliminated.

To me the thing is, if you never get the instant gratification of winning championships, what exactly is the point? You can fall a little too much in love with the future. To be a really good manager, you have to balance the present with the future.

Now I have to check out the thing about the interest rate, which confuses me a bit.

So I e-mailed Jeff at Cot's Contracts about the AAV thing. He nicely replied a few hours later. Here's the exchange: My Q: Hi Jeff Some sources indicate that Mookie's AAV is 25.55 million because deferred money reduces the present value of his contract to 306.5 million. But Cot's shows it as the unadjusted 30.42 million. Can you clarify? His A: Hi, I've done some digging on this because it came up when the Betts extension was announced. Here's what I've gleaned from sources around the game on Betts' AAV. For purposes of calculating the Competitive Balance Tax, the deferred salary is included at its stated value because the interest rate on the deferred money (0%) is within one and one-half percentage points of the imputed loan interest rate (.43%). The relevant rule in the labor deal is Article XXIII E. (6)((ii) page 123 of the CBA. So that makes Mookie's AAV for tax purposes a straight 365/12. But for purposes of calculating annual salaries, his salaries are discounted to reflect the present-day value. The Players Association calculates the deal's total present-day value at $306,657,882. I think the $25.55 million figure floating around is simply the present-day value divided by 12. His 2021 salary would usually be $17.5 million, plus $5,416,667 to account for a 1/12th share of his $65 million signing bonus, for a $22,916,667 total. But, factoring in the deferred money, that figure is discounted to $18,658,692. So that's the 2021 figure you see listed in some comprehensive 2021 MLB salary listings. Hope that helps! jeff

My guess is Bloom picks up a quality reliever who isn't necessarily a big name, and costs a middling prospect or two only.

Nestor the Molester is really stepping up for the Yankees.

You would do it, wouldn't you? Good thing you're not close to wanting to sell when we have the best record in the league though! LOL

The most posts in this thread by far were about Andriese LOL

You're correct. I was also including the KC game we won 7-6, where he came in for Pivetta. It was close, but not late and close.

I agree, and I think in the John Henry era our GM's have generally done an excellent job with deadline deals. There's never really been one that made you tear your hair out later. The Gagne trade was a horrendous disappointment, but it didn't really hurt us much when all was said and done.

Orsillo did something to piss off John Henry. Not sure what it was, but he ain't coming back.

Yes, and if he doesn't bounce back soon, his days on the team are numbered.

Yeah, the only surprising thing is that they've used him in some late/close situations recently.

Rios is a puzzler, but they must have seen something they liked, or that could be improved.

It's not that simple. There was no certainty the Dodgers would extend Mookie, but there was certainly an opportunity given to them.

What I would argue is that they traded the rights to negotiate an extension with Mookie. But you can look at it however you want, really.

Leave that stuff to Belichick LOL

He pitched great in April. Maybe a little rest and a tweak gets him pitching well again. Our management knows what they're doing.

To me the bottom line on Andriese is that 2.1 million of guaranteed money makes him rather disposable. No torches and pitchforks for Bloom on that kind of risk.

If they had thoughts of making a strong play, trading him to the Dodgers risked losing the chance, which is exactly what happened. We did have some people on the forum advocating trading him, re-setting the tax, and then signing him as a free agent. But they totally ignored this possibility.

I don't know, maybe it's good that baseball isn't exactly like football...not quite as much of a meat market, so to speak.

Yeah, that's a pretty nice combo package.

It's a feature. It's not something you can just dismiss. The Dodgers were in perfect position to lock Mookie up, and I do believe that had a lot to do with why they made the trade and gave up a guy like Verdugo. Now if you assume that the Red Sox were saying goodbye with the trade, and had no thoughts whatsoever of bidding on Mookie in free agency, all of that meant nothing to them.

So true. I'm very much a “call me when they’re in Boston” guy. But having the #4 pick is a big deal for sure.

You draftniks are amazing. Every time I think of myself as an obsessive baseball nerd, I come to this thread and realize I'm the equivalent of a bench player compared to some others.