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The Braves got a pretty sweet deal out of it if Sale stays on the field. 2 years for $38 million, plus a team option for a third year at $18 million, minus the $17 million they got from us. So they're at risk for a maximum of $21 million, which, again, is about what we're paying Giolito this year. The Red Sox had a team option on Sale for 2025 at $20 million.
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Yes, Grissom is a prospect. That's what I said. I think we were kind of led to believe he was an instant 2-3 win guy.
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Some people really know how to keep hyperbole out of it.
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It's not a one to one, but there are similarities. In both cases they traded a big talent with one year left on their contract for prospects. It's a similarly small market approach. Sale's age and injury history are a lot different, no one's disputing that. What irks me is that the financial risk of keeping Sale was not that big. They saved $10 million. Big deal. That covers half of Giolito's contract for 2024.
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moon, you linked Devers and Grissom just a few posts ago. It's like you have one set of rules for yourself and one for everyone else.
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Of course he isn't. He is, however, a pitcher who has as much ability as anyone in the game. They had very little to lose and possibly much to gain by keeping him.
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It's all good, they've conditioned us to accept year after year of sub-.500 teams and dreams of a rosy future.
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It was mvp who said it, but no, I agree with it. Betts-LITE. Betts-LIKE would have been hyperbole.
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Yes, I agree, it was a Betts-lite trade. This is who they are now.
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Breslow knew all that when he acquired them. They're stopgaps. They should be capable of a .700 OPS. You want to jettison them because they didn't do that over 40-50 PA's. Maybe you need to explain your sample size principles in more detail because to me they seem to be all over the place.
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My attitude about Sale was that we had not much to lose by keeping him. Best case scenario he stays healthy and gets back to 80-90% of his old self. We were only on the hook for one more guaranteed year. Plus, what a lot of people don't realize is that the Sox also had an option on him for 2025. But no, we had to do something splashy and clever-looking and trade him. And oh yeah, trim $10 million from the payroll. Henry really liked that last part.
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You're actually trying to draw an equivalence between Devers and Grissom?
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Unless they belong to Cooper and Smith, right?
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Home runs are not bad things. Nobody can catch them.
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A lot of baseball players get injured. Especially pitchers. I'm really starting to notice this.
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Will your opinion change if Grissom continues to have an OPS lower than Dalbec's? C'mon man, it's possible to discuss this without doing it in hot takes. Sale looked good at the end of 2023. The Braves seem to have thought so. The Braves are generally regarded as one of the smarter organizations, last I checked.
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Maybe he needs to start launching it into the air a bit? Might that help? Looking at his MLB game logs, it appears he has gone about 50 games since his last home run. Maybe his failure to launch is a bit of a problem.
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And if that's the only thing, why do it? And where does it fit into 2025 if Story is healthy and Mayer is ready? (Yeah, I know, we'll trade one of them and make it all pay off that way. It's all about the future. f*** the present.)
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I have a grudge against the Sale-Grissom trade because I think it was part of the cheapskate mentality that has been hurting this team. A big market team shouldn't be offloading a talent like Sale just when it looks like he might be himself again and there's a chance to recoup some value from the contract. Nothing against Grissom, but now they've put all this pressure on him to come in and rake. Not a fan of the trade at all.
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Devers signs 11 year $331 million extension
Bellhorn04 replied to Jasonbay44's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
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I was talking about their sample sizes with the Red Sox that you're using to determine they're toast. I thought you didn't like making decisions based on small samples. You said Grissom's sample of less than 50 PA's was still small. But it's the same size as Cooper's and Smith's.
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What about the sample sizes for Cooper & Smith and their career numbers? If they should be jettisoned based on less than 50 PA's, shouldn't Grissom be right there with them?
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Casas's comments on his extension negotiations didn't bother me. He said what they offered wasn't anything "enticing". He then went on to acknowledge that he needed to become a better all-around player and so on, kind of explaining why the offer wasn't that high. He seems like a pretty open and honest type to me.
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Casas had an OPS+ of 137 in March-April/24.
