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Everything posted by Bellhorn04
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Are you actually trying to claim that Henry had nothing to do with Cherington leaving? That he had no idea Ben would quit upon learning of his replacement/demotion? It was a total shock?
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I think you're leaning hard on technicalities and I'm not really sure what purpose it serves.
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I agree that's what he said. I believe Cherington thought he was being replaced/demoted/asked to work for DD and that's why he quit, and that a lot of guys in his position would have done the same. I'm guessing Henry had a good idea that's what would happen-or maybe he just didn't care one way or the other. To me it absolutely counts as changing CBOs...
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Cherington was being replaced as CBO - agree or disagree?
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Well, I guess we have to dig up the stories, but there were a number of candidates who were invited but declined to interview, including internal options, with more than one citing "family commitments"...
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Yeah, I know you don't like to count Cherington as getting the boot because he was "invited to stay on" as an underling. Cherington manned up and said "eff you", for which I do admire him... I have actually disputed that Bloom deserved it. I think he got scapegoated. I have said this today, in fact...
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They did come pretty close in 2021. That team was somewhat lucky to make it as far as they did, but luck does often play a part.
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Disagree. Henry firing his CBO every 4 years is not something made up, it's something that really happened.
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2021 proved there was no need of a cliff, even with smaller payrolls. Just a few good moves make all the difference. Bloom made them in 2021. He did not make them in 2022 or 2023.
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The aversion of many candidates to the Sox CBO job this time around was real...
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He did what was necessary. Price/Sale/Kimbrel - that was 3 of the elite pitchers in the game added to the staff. You could call it doing the obvious and expensive thing, but that's kind of his approach, and it has produced results. We've had too many "creative" moves since he left...
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But we are a lesser team now, in terms of commitment. That's Henry again. And I think he's OK with using the CBO as his scapegoat...
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The ironic thing is that Bloom, like Dombrowski, seemed to do exactly what he was hired to do but was shown the door anyway. They each made expensive mistakes, but so does every CBO of a big market team. The GOAT Epstein made 'em too.
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Rob Manfred and Roger Goodell each have the same mandate-make as much money for the owners as possible. The embrace of gambling clinched that. If you want to figure out what they're going to do next, greed has to be your guiding principle.
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I'm just saying that blaming DD for spending is a really dumb argument. It's what he does. JH sort of knew that. If you want to argue against that position, have at it.
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On the RH bat thing, here's what might be the most telling 2024 split: Red Sox LHB at Fenway .775 Red Sox RHB at Fenway .698
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The only good idea in this area is to accept the way it is (controlled by greedy SOBs) and spend your energy elsewhere. 😇
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Which is a blatantly circular argument. Henry obviously wouldn't have brought DD in unless it was to go for a title and spend. Let's put the blame where it really belongs - on the pale, mercurial fellow, JH.
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A Realistic View of the 2025 Red Sox: Part I
Bellhorn04 replied to moonslav59's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
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Was the Bogaerts extension good or bad? I have to go with good. They got 3 good years pretty cheap, and it's hard to say the opt out has hurt us. I was fine with the Eovaldi extension. Nate has proven he's great when healthy, with health being a constant concern. Many of us lamented that we didn't keep him. The Sale extension has been beaten to death, of course.
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An interesting discussion would be "Who are the best CBOs in baseball and why?" Right away I think you'd have to divide them into 2 groups: CBOs with fat budgets and CBOs with tight budgets.
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