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Wes Gardner and Laschelle Tarver are spare parts now? If only SoxProspects were around then!

Conceivable, but unlikely. You could sell me on the Sox going 4-2 and the Yanks going 2-4 over the next 6. Putting more room between the Sox and Royals in the Wild Card race before the trade deadline may be more important than catching the Yanks.

Duran CF, Hamilton 2B, O’Neill LF, Devers 3B, Wong C, Yoshida DH, Abreu RF, Smith 1B, Rafaela SS

Whatever his evaluation was, I'm sure it was more insightful than emojis.

At least let him have sustained success for the rest of the year and be happy about 2024 going into 2025. Then give him a real shot to earn a spot on the Opening Day roster. That seems fair to me.

Yes, the Chris Sale trade is just like those three things.

And that's the entire infrastructure from DSL up through BOS. It wasn't just adding one guy. They made some sweeping changes that could have bigger impact down the road.

Had to make one slight update.

Red Sox are 49-40 and in the playoff hunt. I think it could be much worse for them if you want to be honest. If Grissom doesn't work out at all, it's not the end of the world. Posters were joking about "full throttle" all offseason. That the Sox are playing good baseball is a godsend. What Sale does in ATL is irrelevant.

If they add Yorke it'll be in the offseason. They aren't that hard up for 2B right now. He doesn't really fix the issues they have. He's going to need an adjustment period and isn't good defensively. Sox would be better off with Romy/Hamilton at 2B than using Yorke there down the stretch.

Ok, so I'm not going to make an argument for anyone else. The Sox trade of Sale was defensible. Sale was oft injured and they weren't interested in signing him to an extension because of it. Another team that was much closer to contention was willing to take that risk. The Sox traded him to Atlanta for a decent prospect. The trade was fine, but not overwhelming. Grissom was a poor SS that was transitioning to 2B. A young guy that had been rushed to MLB due to injury. He has an everyday player ceiling, but not All Star level. The Sox needed help at 2B because the options were Valdez (no glove, platoon), Reyes (only RHB and soon to be DFA) and Hamilton (who nobody expected to play a significant role on the MLB team). The realistic MiLB options was an underperforming Yorke and a grab bag of org guys. If Grissom doesn't work out, the Sox are only out one year of Sale's partial salary. They can trade Grissom, release Grissom or just keep him around the way they did with Dalbec. There is no great negative impact to the team. I'm happy that Sale is doing well. He was a good teammate and wanted to do well for the fans in Boston. It just didn't end well due to injury. I'm sure that Sale would be pitching well if he was in Boston this year. Would the numbers be the same? Hard to say. Would he be getting an extra days rest in between starts? No. When you make a move in the offseason, you don't see into the future. You can't know for sure that Sale would be healthy. The risk of future injury will still be there for Sale, as it is for Eovaldi, ERod and others that we have talked about bringing back at times.

No. Why are people ignoring his previous 2 mediocre seasons in AA over a 25 game sample in AAA?

I agree. I don't like him as a starter at all. I tolerate him as a reliever.

Sale gets into the 7th inning throwing less pitches: ability.

Also based on ability.

Spoiler Alert: he won't be starting on Sunday

3.99 FIP since coming back from AAA for Winckowski which about matches his career. I think he's an ok pitcher, but he's not really a late inning guy in my book.

There were questions about his defense before he even signed. Even if he hit the s*** out of the ball, he might not have stuck there. Reports out of camp weren't all that favorable and that he may have needed to be pushed to corner OF. Merloni spoke about not liking his approach at 2b. Maybe he ends up being another UTIL guy? I think he still has some value so he could be a guy that is spun in another trade.

That's two different arguments.

Nobody listens around here! I even posted an article from Atlanta that stated clearly what the Braves were doing.

If anything, they get a midrotation starter and someone to help out in the bullpen. Not sure they make a huge splash as it's really a sellers market these days. Sox aren't close enough to the top to go all in.

It was never a slam dunk trade. Old Red should spend some time at SOSH and report back. Maybe he'd be nicer to us.

Now do Jarren Duran through age 25. I'm not saying Grissom is going to work out, but he's only 23. He was awful this year because he was injured and had no Spring Training. Hard to really take note of that sample at all. If he was on SoxProspects, he'd be in the top 10, but towards the back end. He's an ok prospect, but he's not a can't miss kinda guy.

What a f***ing surprise!

Sale was around for one more year. Giolito will be potentially around through 2026.