Boston Red Sox Looking For An Upgrade Over Jarren Duran

[Hugh2]

1 minute ago, drewski6 said:

No, he'd just have to clear waivers (which he would).

Yeah you're not going to just pay a guy $18 million to just hit in Worcester.  If you could get another team to even eat 5 million a year take it. 

[drewski6]

1 minute ago, Hugh2 said:

Yeah, except apparently he was actually hurt so they actually didn't do the same thing last year. 

I recall the injury affected throwing, and it prevented him from taking the field, so they IL'd him because DH wasnt open because Raffy.  Not the case this year.

[drewski6]

Just now, Hugh2 said:

Yeah you're not going to just pay a guy $18 million to just hit in Worcester.  If you could get another team to even eat 5 million a year take it. 

Id rather have the depth than the 5m. People can and will get hurt.

[Hugh2]

Just now, drewski6 said:

Only if Schwarber plays first.  You do not let Yoshida stop you from grabbing the best bat that you can.

He's 5'11 and looked awful at first.  

I get that his bat plays, but I think there are better roster fits and ways we could spend our money. 

[drewski6]

1 minute ago, Hugh2 said:

He's 5'11 and looked awful at first.  

I get that his bat plays, but I think there are better roster fits and ways we could spend our money. 

His bat more than plays.  Our offense needs an elite bat more than this team needs anything.  They can figure out the positions.

[Hugh2]

Just now, drewski6 said:

Id rather have the depth than the 5m. People can and will get hurt.

Well it's up to the Sox and not you, and most teams don't typically just DFA $18 million. 

He has to clear waivers before he can be assigned to Worcester and I could be wrong here but wouldn't we still be on the hook for his money? SO then we're just paying him 18 million to play somewhere else. 

[Hugh2]

Just now, drewski6 said:

His bat more than plays.  Our offense needs an elite bat more than this team needs anything.  They can figure out the positions.

I'd rather have an elite bat not going into their mid 30's. 

 

[drewski6]

Just now, Hugh2 said:

Well it's up to the Sox and not you, and most teams don't typically just DFA $18 million. 

He has to clear waivers before he can be assigned to Worcester and I could be wrong here but wouldn't we still be on the hook for his money? SO then we're just paying him 18 million to play somewhere else. 

No, if a team claims him off waivers, we can either pull him back and he stays on the 26 man , or let him go and other team absorbs full salary (why nobody would claim him)

[drewski6]

Just now, Hugh2 said:

I'd rather have an elite bat not going into their mid 30's. 

 

Name one that is available

[drewski6]

3 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

I'd rather have an elite bat not going into their mid 30's. 

 

An elite bat, who is anything close to youngish is going to get 400m minimum and 8 years.  Prob 500m. In open market.  ANd you arent going to get one in a trade with a poo-poo platter of prospects.

[Hugh2]

1 minute ago, drewski6 said:

Name one that is available

You actually think Schwarber is the only available bat? or we have to sign him? 

You realize there's an insanely long list of people who completely fall off a cliff between the ages of 33-35 in MLB.  That's the age that most players turn into negative WAR players.  He might have a few more good years left, but it's just as likely that he falls off a cliff in a year or two.  

Then we will have how many overpaid underperforming 1b/DH/1F on this roster?  Meanwhile we have holes at 3B/2B/1B/P2/RP/BuC right now and you want to go out and just pay a 33 year old LF to play a position he stinks at because he hits homeruns. 

Plenty of teams have big boopers and aren't winners because of poor roster construction.  No thank you. 

[Hugh2]

Just now, drewski6 said:

An elite bat, who is anything close to youngish is going to get 400m minimum and 8 years.  Prob 500m. In open market.  ANd you arent going to get one in a trade with a poo-poo platter of prospects.

Sox have a good farm system, and an overabundance of outfielders to make trades.  SO.....there are other options when you discount the ones you don't like or want to pay for. Got it. 

I get it, I would love schwarber back, but he's really just a DH right now and we don't need another DH and we have too many other holes to fill to become hyper focused on just wanting some more taters. 

[drewski6]

Just now, Hugh2 said:

You actually think Schwarber is the only available bat? or we have to sign him? 

You realize there's an insanely long list of people who completely fall off a cliff between the ages of 33-35 in MLB.  That's the age that most players turn into negative WAR players.  He might have a few more good years left, but it's just as likely that he falls off a cliff in a year or two.  

Then we will have how many overpaid underperforming 1b/DH/1F on this roster?  Meanwhile we have holes at 3B/2B/1B/P2/RP/BuC right now and you want to go out and just pay a 33 year old LF to play a position he stinks at because he hits homeruns. 

Plenty of teams have big boopers and aren't winners because of poor roster construction.  No thank you. 

Heck yes i wanna get the best bat that we can because hes better than all options by a mile that I can see.  I figure out the d but i dont let it stop me from signing an elite bat.  

Yoshida hit cleanup in the playoffs last year.  You are going nowhere without fixing the offense and we have to replace Bregman and most likely an outfielder just to get back to where we were last year.  Schwarber chops a lot of wood. Understood the age, but the dude can mash and slugging tends to hold up better than fielding.

I wouldnt get suarez to play 3b for example, because hes about the age where turner couldnt field anymore.

Schwarber will keep cracking em and we need that more than we need any position.  The positions that I care most about our 2,3,4 hitters.  Not who is going to play d at 1b.

Right now the closest thing we have to a slugger is abreu, and thats now going to win in 2025.  Doesnt matter how good the pitching and d is.

[drewski6]

9 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

Sox have a good farm system, and an overabundance of outfielders to make trades.  SO.....there are other options when you discount the ones you don't like or want to pay for. Got it. 

I get it, I would love schwarber back, but he's really just a DH right now and we don't need another DH and we have too many other holes to fill to become hyper focused on just wanting some more taters. 

Hes an elite hitter, we dont have anything close.  Hes not just a DH.  Papi wasnt a luxury when he was here. He was needed.  A masher is needed.

I dont think its easy to trade for an elite bat. Im interested tho if thats an option.  You arent getting one for a quantity over quality of prospects tho, and you arent getting one from a team looking to compete.

[mvp 78]

2 hours ago, Hugh2 said:

Also I believe his contract dissallows him to be optioned.  He'd have to agree to go.....and why would he?

From last season: 

Often, MLB players with certain types of contracts (especially international signings or veterans) can negotiate clauses that prevent teams from demoting them to the minor leagues without their approval.

In Yoshida’s case, the Red Sox can’t officially option him to the minors after his 20-day rehab stint unless he agrees to it.

[drewski6]

Just now, mvp 78 said:

From last season: 

Often, MLB players with certain types of contracts (especially international signings or veterans) can negotiate clauses that prevent teams from demoting them to the minor leagues without their approval.

In Yoshida’s case, the Red Sox can’t officially option him to the minors after his 20-day rehab stint unless he agrees to it.

Correct they cant option him, but they can waive him right?  And where does he go when he inevitably clears waivers?  I could be wrong and theyd have to outright release him? That would be wild.

[mvp 78]

4 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Correct they cant option him, but they can waive him right?  And where does he go when he inevitably clears waivers?  I could be wrong and theyd have to outright release him? That would be wild.

They'd release him and he could go anywhere (still make BOS pay for him) OR he could accept an assignment to AAA, which would be wild. 

[drewski6]

16 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

They'd release him and he could go anywhere (still make BOS pay for him) OR he could accept an assignment to AAA, which would be wild. 

Im researching think you are right. They can waive him, but if he clears, they cant just park him in minors.

[notin]

57 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

Yeah you're not going to just pay a guy $18 million to just hit in Worcester.  If you could get another team to even eat 5 million a year take it. 

The Sox paid Sandoval $18mill to play in another organization’s minor league system while he gorged himself on hot dogs.  So, ya know, precedent…

[drewski6]

1 minute ago, notin said:

The Sox paid Sandoval $18mill to play in another organization’s minor league system while he gorged himself on hot dogs.  So, ya know, precedent…

Rusney Castillo was worse than that.

[drewski6]

They paid Rusney like 60m over 4 years to rot in minors hahha, 36m is nothing to eat.

[notin]

14 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Im researching think you are right. They can waive him, but if he clears, they cant just park him in minors.

Actually they can.  Without waiving him.

Yoshida does not have the 5+ years of service time that allows him to refuse assignment and he has 3 options left.

The only issue could be if he has a clause in his contract prohibiting demotion, which is fairly common but not standard among NPB free agents…

[notin]

1 minute ago, drewski6 said:

They paid Rusney like 60m over 4 years to rot in minors hahha, 36m is nothing to eat.

True but he lost his 40 man roster spot.  Yoshida can be demoted without touching it…

[Larry Cook]

If yoshida helps us land imia after he is posted, then that would be a huge win! 

[drewski6]

1 minute ago, notin said:

Actually they can.

Yoshida does not have the 5+ years of service time that allows him to refuse assignment and he has 3 options left.

The only issue could be if he has a clause in his contract prohibiting demotion, which is fairly common but not standard among NPB free agents…

I think he does have that clause, which is what MVP said.

[drewski6]

1 minute ago, notin said:

True but he lost his 40 man roster spot.  Yoshida can be demoted without touching it…

Are the rules still the same ... Revocable waivers vs irrevocable waivers?

Send someone down without options, revocable waivers. Remove someone from 40 man = irrevocable waivers.  Thats how it use to be but I know things got shifted when they changed the post deadline waived payer trading.

[mvp 78]

23 minutes ago, notin said:

The Sox paid Sandoval $18mill to play in another organization’s minor league system while he gorged himself on hot dogs.  So, ya know, precedent…

Yeah, he was living high on the hog in Sacramento that year:

For hot dog lovers, we offer a footlong hot dog nestled in a pillowy Martin’s potato bun. And no visit is complete without our signature Garlic Fries—crinkle-cut, tossed in garlic and parmesan for a crave-worthy bite.

For those craving bold flavors, our Chili Cheese Hot Dog is loaded with rich, slow-cooked short rib chili and creamy cheese sauce for the perfect bite.

[drewski6]

9 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Yeah, he was living high on the hog in Sacramento that year:

For hot dog lovers, we offer a footlong hot dog nestled in a pillowy Martin’s potato bun. And no visit is complete without our signature Garlic Fries—crinkle-cut, tossed in garlic and parmesan for a crave-worthy bite.

For those craving bold flavors, our Chili Cheese Hot Dog is loaded with rich, slow-cooked short rib chili and creamy cheese sauce for the perfect bite.

Garlic fries and crab at Oracle park.

[Larry Cook]

6 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Yeah, he was living high on the hog in Sacramento that year:

Speaking of Sacramento, severino is reportedly trying to get out of there very badly! 

[moonslav59]

8 hours ago, drewski6 said:

Id rather have the depth than the 5m. People can and will get hurt.

The thing is, if JH is focused on line 1 or line 2 of the lux tax, that $5M could make a big difference.

Hear me out: let's say we are $45M from the tax line and $65 from line 2. JH tells Brez he can spend $64M. Alonso costs $32M AAV and Schwarber $34M. Ooops, sorry- $2M short. Let's keep Masa and go with Alonso and Suarez/Polanco.