Article: Hunter Greene, Rumored Red Sox Trade Target, Will Cost an Arm, A Leg, and More

[drewski6]

3 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I agree, but just because Crochet is so great, it doesn't mean Anthony gets any worse.

Of course, some of RA's value is based on speculation, but just about everyone agrees he's the real deal. 300 PAs may have been deceptive, but if people can write off Campbell on even less PAs, then why not think Anthony can top .860 in 2026?

I'm not just saying this because we need him to do so, and I am not a homer on every Sox player's 2026 outlook. (See my Duran is in decline point I've since retracted.) Every team in MLB would have Anthony high on their list of 2026 projections.

Right, I agree with all of this. I may not be as confident in improving from .860 as you are, but certainly would not bet against RA becoming .900+. Hes very good.

But my point is not that he isnt very good or still getting better. My point is that if we didnt have Crochet, you may look athte 2026 team and think Mayer, Crochet, Campbell, Cedanne, Bello - these guys are all prob pre-prime, so this offseason , one might think - lets hold off on those pricey free agents for now until this core is more squarely in their prime.

Youve said that in the past. And it was wise.  If the best players on your team are 21, you dont usually sign a 31 yr old superstar to an 8 yr deal.  Becasue you want alignment. Peaking at the same time. Planning for your window.  Its not *yet* time to get aggressive on free agency/trading.  Your still building a young foundation.

This all started when I said I dont want to sit around and wait for RAs prime.  All I meant by that is that its time to get aggressive on building the team. Its not time to be cheap, slow, or build for the future.

If we didnt have Crochet, I would be fine with Campbell in a starting spot.  Because we'd be seeing what we have for the future.  But sorry Campbell, Casas, Yoshida, its not time to roll over the same roster. Its not time to see if dudes can play better. Its time to put out the best team we can, and if guys get squeezed or pushed out of starting spots.....to them i say: "skate better"

[drewski6]

 

52 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Roman Anthony

Red Sox 2025 record

With Roman Anthony: 46-27

Without Roman Anthony: 43-46

46-27 = 63.0 winning %

winning % when crochet starts: 71.9% (23-9)
 

[moonslav59]

52 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Right, I agree with all of this. I may not be as confident in improving from .860 as you are, but certainly would not bet against RA becoming .900+. Hes very good.

But my point is not that he isnt very good or still getting better. My point is that if we didnt have Crochet, you may look athte 2026 team and think Mayer, Crochet, Campbell, Cedanne, Bello - these guys are all prob pre-prime, so this offseason , one might think - lets hold off on those pricey free agents for now until this core is more squarely in their prime.

Youve said that in the past. And it was wise.  If the best players on your team are 21, you dont usually sign a 31 yr old superstar to an 8 yr deal.  Becasue you want alignment. Peaking at the same time. Planning for your window.  Its not *yet* time to get aggressive on free agency/trading.  Your still building a young foundation.

This all started when I said I dont want to sit around and wait for RAs prime.  All I meant by that is that its time to get aggressive on building the team. Its not time to be cheap, slow, or build for the future.

If we didnt have Crochet, I would be fine with Campbell in a starting spot.  Because we'd be seeing what we have for the future.  But sorry Campbell, Casas, Yoshida, its not time to roll over the same roster. Its not time to see if dudes can play better. Its time to put out the best team we can, and if guys get squeezed or pushed out of starting spots.....to them i say: "skate better"

I agree with all this, and I would not be surprised if RA is under .850 in 2026. I think he hits .900 at some point, and I get your point about not relying an a  22 year old to have a great season, but he is the best we have, right now, on offense.

We are in total agreement on the need to add a big bat. I'm in favor or adding two, with one being no worse than Bregman/Bichette types.

I do not think adding Merrill Kelly, Hoskins and Gleyber Torres would be enough. I'm not sure a Duran & Crawford for Ryan trade plus Hoskins and Polanco would even be enough. Hoskins & Polanco is about a push on losing Bregman & Duran. We'd be putting all our eggs in the Anthony, Mayer, Casas (DH) basket. I'd be disappointed going into 2026 with those changes only.

[moonslav59]

39 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

 

46-27 = 63.0 winning %

winning % when crochet starts: 71.9% (23-9)
 

Yes, but Crochet influences 32 out of 162 games, while Anthony can apply his input on 150+ games.

I do value Crochet more, but both are vital to any chance we have for 2026.

[notin]

Greene strikes me as a Buyer Beware trade piece.

Cincinnati is coming off a playoff year and willing to trade their best SP for OF help?  And after they extended him relatively cheaply? Sure he is signed for 4 years, but anyone acquiring him might only get 2.5.  I get they want some offense, but so does Boston and Garrett Crochet isnt on the trade market.

Brady Singer seems like the obvious choice to move, given he has one year left.  He is good enough to pitch in the #2 role on a playoff team.  But that one year might limit what Cincy can get.

Nick Lodolo seems more like the movable piece here.  Good enough to bring back some offense.  Two arb years left.  And worth 5 bWAR last year.

From Boston, I only see Cincy interested in Duran.  They want offense, so Rafaela is out.  Abreu can hit but a lot of his value is defensive.  Anthony is certainly on their list but I don’t see Boston making that deal.

I could see a deal involving Duran and Lodolo, despite the great differences in their BTV values.  Unless Breslow decides to move Duran for infield help, since the free agent market for pitchers is deeper than it is for hitters…

[moonslav59]

5 minutes ago, notin said:

Greene strikes me as a Buyer Beware trade piece.

Cincinnati is coming off a plaid year and willing to trade their best SP for OF help?  And after they extended him relatively cheaply? Sure he is signed for 4 years, but anyone acquiring him might only get 2.5.  I get they want some offense, but so does Boston and Garrett Crochet isnt on the trade market.

Brady Singer seems like the obvious choice to move, given he has one year left.  He is good enough to pitch in the #2 role on a playoff team.  But that one year might limit what Cincy can get.

Nick Lodolo seems more like the movable piece here.  Good enough to bring back some offense.  Two arb years left.  And worth 5 bWAR last year.

From Boston, I only see Cincy interested in Duran.  They want offense, so Rafaela is out.  Abreu can hit but a lot of his value is defensive.  Anthony is certainly on their list but I don’t see Boston making that deal.

I could see a deal involving Duran and Lodolo, despite the great differences in their BTV values.  Unless Breslow decides to move Duran for infield help, since the free agent market for pitchers is deeper than it is for hitters…

The $8.8M tax hit is a nice plus for Greene. His 2029 option is just $21M, but I get your point. I'd rather keep the extra players and just go Duran or Abreu for Lodolo. If BTV is correct, maybe we can force CIN to take Hicks with Duran (maybe include Wong for Trevino to help being down the cost to CIN.) 

I like Singer but the one year deals don't appeal to me.

Would Cincy do Duran, Hicks, Wong & Crawford for Singer, Lodolo & Trevino

 

[JoeBrady]

On 10/17/2025 at 9:44 AM, drewski6 said:

We need to be bold, guys. The roster needs work and Mayer, Campbell and RA arent worth waiting around for.  We have an elite TOTR starter and bullpen and need to strike.

Pull Abreu from the pacakge.  But Im not confident either Greene or Lodolo are available. Id love either.

Roman Anthony is not worth waiting for?

[notin]

19 hours ago, drewski6 said:

 

46-27 = 63.0 winning %

winning % when crochet starts: 71.9% (23-9)
 

Too much overlap.  We need the winning percentage for Anthony in games without Crochet and for Crochet in games without Anthony….

[JoeBrady]

21 hours ago, drewski6 said:

So lets plan for 4 years down the line because Roman? Lets half go for it , next 2-3 years and waste years of Crochets prime?

Its time to get urgent.

We have many players that are young and/or under control.  Why is now the time to get urgent?  Now is the time to have a 5-year plan.

[JoeBrady]

18 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Yes, but Crochet influences 32 out of 162 games, while Anthony can apply his input on 150+ games.

I do value Crochet more, but both are vital to any chance we have for 2026.

But Crochet faces 5x as many batters as Anthony does when he plays.

[notin]

16 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

The $8.8M tax hit is a nice plus for Greene. His 2029 option is just $21M, but I get your point. I'd rather keep the extra players and just go Duran or Abreu for Lodolo. If BTV is correct, maybe we can force CIN to take Hicks with Duran (maybe include Wong for Trevino to help being down the cost to CIN.) 

I like Singer but the one year deals don't appeal to me.

Would Cincy do Duran, Hicks, Wong & Crawford for Singer, Lodolo & Trevino

 

Absolutely not.

They just made the postseason for the first time since 2020 (when too many teams made it) and the second time since 2013.  Theyre not going to tear down their pitching staff this off-season.

Singer? Decent chance they try to move him. Lodolo? Maybe.  Greene? No way unless they know something…

[JoeBrady]

20 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

How is the plan wrecked? Anthony is here and he's great! He's as good as advertised. 

The idea of a "Big Three" came straight from the FO. It wasn't simply message board fodder. The Red Sox put their hopes in these guys. It's what they were waiting on. Was it the safest strategy? No. Should they have tried to compete from '20 - '24 while the kids were still in MilB? Of course. 

I'm going to enjoy watching Anthony for the next several years. I hope the Sox stay competitive and that Henry doesn't keep them under the CBT more often than not. 

The idea of a "Big Three" came straight from the FO.

No, it came from the rating companies.  Anthony was ranked the #1 prospect in BB.  Mayer was ranked #15.  Campbell was ranked #4.  The FO didn't pull three random names and call them the Big Three.  No FO does that.  They are ranked highly, or they are not.

[moonslav59]

5 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

But Crochet faces 5x as many batters as Anthony does when he plays.

I make that argument all the time. Top IP pitchers face over 800 to 850 batters over a season, which is far more than any batter ever gets, but the fact is Anthony can make a difference in more than just 32 games.

Like I said, I still think Crochet is more valuable, but we need both, and arguing which one we need most seems pointless. I doubt we have a chance at winning without either one, and we actually need more than just 2 top quality players to have a legit chance in 2026.

Chapman, Duran, Story, Abreu, Bello and maybe some others are "good enough," but we need more higher quality.

[notin]

21 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

We have many players that are young and/or under control.  Why is now the time to get urgent?  Now is the time to have a 5-year plan.

In the next 3 offseasons (counting this one), the biggest names the Sox lose are Chapman, Bregman, Story and Giolito.  They also lose their only two deadweights (Yoshida and Hicks).  
 

This situation is not urgent.  What happens if they go all in for 2026, only to lose Crochet in April?

[moonslav59]

5 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

The idea of a "Big Three" came straight from the FO.

No, it came from the rating companies.  Anthony was ranked the #1 prospect in BB.  Mayer was ranked #15.  Campbell was ranked #4.  The FO didn't pull three random names and call them the Big Three.  No FO does that.  They are ranked highly, or they are not.

Any team in the land would view 3 prospects in the top 15 as a "big three." They might even come up with a more sensational term or phrase.

There is also nothing wrong with putting some faith into those three and planning your roster around them, either as support to them or as them supporting the foundation you planned and set up.

IMO, the Sox have done a fine job setting up the foundation for a winning "window" that includes deep rotation depth, and top 6 or 7 pen and a balanced line-up from top to bottom. There are many younger players that should be expected to improve and most of our best players are locked up for 3 or more seasons. IMO, what the team lacks is 3 key players: 2 complete package batters with an emphasis on power and a second ace-type pitcher or a solid #2 type would be fine. If we could do this without trading Abreu or Duran, Early or Tolle, or Crochet, Chapman, Whitlock or Slaten, we can be considered a top 4-5 contender and maybe top 2 in the AL for and perhaps far beyond.

I don't expect JH to pay for 3 major FA additions, so I think we'll have to make one big trade to get to 3 additions. I'm not predicting 3 major additions. If I had to bet, I'd say its more likely 1 than 3, and maybe 2 would/could be enough, with some luck with health and age related improvements.

[JoeBrady]

On 10/15/2025 at 8:27 PM, TedYazPapiMookie said:

Fake stats.  My old friend Joe Brady.  There goes the neighborhood!!!

Wow, lets deal in facts, shall we?  Greene is one of a few great young pitchers and Boston needs a top of the rotation right-handed pitcher.  Greene is perfect to compliment Crochet, Tolle and Early. 

2 - Platoon player Abreu.  

3 - Narvaez, our latest over-rated catcher. 

Garcia seems like the most likely to be included so Cincinnati gets a SS/IF in Mayer, a DH in Abreu, a C in Narvaez and an OF in Garcia.

Facts are not valued, and I think the mob will like your opinions.  There are many with the leftist beliefs about metrics so they should like you a lot!!

 

 

Just random snippets for discussion.

I'd love to get Greene, but my point is that there are some other very good targets.  I'd make a modest wager that Burns will have at least as much WAR over the next 6 years as Greene will have over the next three.  And with some odds, I'd bet on twice as much WAR.  

It might be a tad too early to consider Abreu a pure platoon.  He had a .676 in limited ABs last year.

IRT Narvaez, we don't have a catcher to replace him.  And since the Reds have Stephenson, they won't want Narvaez.  That said, Stephenson is getting a bit expensive, for the Reds, so if they wanted to throw him in as a trade chip, they can have Narvaez.

In terms of value, I'd make your trade without much having to think about it much.  But we do need a catcher.  And I'd prefer to throw in Campbell instead of Mayer, since OF is not much of a problem currently.

Now for the fun-what is a leftist belief in metrics?  And where do I fit?

[moonslav59]

Just now, notin said:

In the next 3 offseasons (counting this one), the biggest names the Sox lose are Chapman, Bregman, Story and Giolito.  They also lose their only two deadweights (Yoshida and Hicks).  This situation is not urgent.  What happens if they go all in for 2026, only to lose Crochet in April?

The idea should be to add players with at least 2 years of control, and not go all in for 2026 ONLY.

Better yet, go for 3-4+ controlled players, who are mostly not on the wrong side of 30.

Keller should be available and has 3 years of control. He turns 30 in April.

Avoid one year targets like Singer and maybe even 2 year guys like Lodolo. Does that mean give up the world for 3 years of Greene? I'm not so sure, but I'd prefer him over 1 year pitchers.

While Joe Ryan is often mentioned, we could get soon to be 30 year old Pablo Lopez for less, and he has the same 2 years of control remaining at an $18,3M AAV cost.

Maybe we can get STL to take on Yoshida's contract, if we take back Sonny Gray (2 years) and W Contreras (2-3 yrs) or ....gasp.... Arenado's (1-2 yrs) contracts. To get Gray, we'd have to offer something like Crawford, Dobbins, Harrison or Fitts and maybe more (Sandlin, Garcia, Campbell?)

There are ways to improve the team for 2016 AND beyond, preferably beyond 2027, too.

[Krusty]

Reds fan here.

Would the Red Sox be willing to part with Jarren Duran, pitcher Payton Tolle and outfielder Jhostynxon Garcia for Hunter Greene?

Reds don’t have to trade Greene and any deal would have to be one the Reds can’t refuse.

Jhostynxon

Garcia

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[JoeBrady]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

The idea should be to add players with at least 2 years of control, and not go all in for 2026 ONLY.

Better yet, go for 3-4+ controlled players, who are mostly not on the wrong side of 30.

Keller should be available and has 3 years of control. He turns 30 in April.

Avoid one year targets like Singer and maybe even 2 year guys like Lodolo. Does that mean give up the world for 3 years of Greene? I'm not so sure, but I'd prefer him over 1 year pitchers.

While Joe Ryan is often mentioned, we could get soon to be 30 year old Pablo Lopez for less, and he has the same 2 years of control remaining at an $18,3M AAV cost.

Maybe we can get STL to take on Yoshida's contract, if we take back Sonny Gray (2 years) and W Contreras (2-3 yrs) or ....gasp.... Arenado's (1-2 yrs) contracts. To get Gray, we'd have to offer something like Crawford, Dobbins, Harrison or Fitts and maybe more (Sandlin, Garcia, Campbell?)

There are ways to improve the team for 2016 AND beyond, preferably beyond 2027, too.

I'm not sure why fans are enamored with Singer.  He's a good #3, that's all.

IRT Ryan, he finished the season very poorly, and not just a couple of starts.  He had a 4.67/4.60 ERA/FIP in the second half and a 6.75/8.01 in September.

[moonslav59]

3 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

I'm not sure why fans are enamored with Singer.  He's a good #3, that's all.

IRT Ryan, he finished the season very poorly, and not just a couple of starts.  He had a 4.67/4.60 ERA/FIP in the second half and a 6.75/8.01 in September.

We could use Singer, but he's not much of an upgrade over what we have.

I'm not sure we should read too much into Ryan's end to 2025, but it is concerning.

Remember, Crochet ended the '24 season with a 5.20 ERA over his last 9 starts (but a 2.91 FIP.) Ryan had 4 bad starts in his last 10 AUG>SEP.

Pablo Lopez had arm issues, so he's in question, too. Mitch Keller has numbers like Pivetta had before 2025. 4.15 ERA/3.94 FIP and 103 ERA+ since 2022. He's an okay #2 and a solid #3, but he had an AUG-SEP at 5.47/5.41.

Who do you suggest?

[JoeBrady]

13 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

We could use Singer, but he's not much of an upgrade over what we have.

I'm not sure we should read too much into Ryan's end to 2025, but it is concerning.

Remember, Crochet ended the '24 season with a 5.20 ERA over his last 9 starts (but a 2.91 FIP.) Ryan had 4 bad starts in his last 10 AUG>SEP.

Pablo Lopez had arm issues, so he's in question, too. Mitch Keller has numbers like Pivetta had before 2025. 4.15 ERA/3.94 FIP and 103 ERA+ since 2022. He's an okay #2 and a solid #3, but he had an AUG-SEP at 5.47/5.41.

Who do you suggest?

Impossible to say who is available, but my general thoughts are:

I like Lopez over Ryan simply on the lower cost.

I'd would target the Reds pitching staff.  They have a ton of talent, are in win-now mode, and seem able to make trades.  I like the Pitt rotation, but they don't seem to be able to trade.

On the Cincy side, I like Greene and Burns and would pay a fair amount for them.  I like Abbott and Lodolo, but at a lower cost.  If push came to shove, I'd like to take a flyer on Petty.  He's pitched badly, but he is still a kid, but occasionally teams look to move guys early than to wait for possibly worse results.

And I'd ask Miami about Alcantara, just like everyone else.

[moonslav59]

9 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

Impossible to say who is available, but my general thoughts are:

I like Lopez over Ryan simply on the lower cost.

I'd would target the Reds pitching staff.  They have a ton of talent, are in win-now mode, and seem able to make trades.  I like the Pitt rotation, but they don't seem to be able to trade.

On the Cincy side, I like Greene and Burns and would pay a fair amount for them.  I like Abbott and Lodolo, but at a lower cost.  If push came to shove, I'd like to take a flyer on Petty.  He's pitched badly, but he is still a kid, but occasionally teams look to move guys early than to wait for possibly worse results.

And I'd ask Miami about Alcantara, just like everyone else.

Alcantara seems like a huge gamble, but I'm not sure what the asking price would be. I would not be happy, if he was the only addition to the rotation.

I'm not sure why you don't like Abbott. The reason he's not mentioned is that he's their ace.  I admit I don't know much about Burns, but Lodolo and Greene would be nice adds, to me.

Lopez had arm trouble, but they say he's alright. I hesitate on guys like him, but yes, teh return package would be less than Joe Ryan's. Maybe add Lopez and Alcantara, but how much do we give up for both?

I wanna keep Tolle and Early, so that might limit who we can get.

Part of me thinks we should sign Merrill Kelly and trade for Marte. Use the rest of the money to sign a power bat, corner infielder.

[JoeBrady]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

Alcantara seems like a huge gamble, but I'm not sure what the asking price would be. I would not be happy, if he was the only addition to the rotation.

I'm not sure why you don't like Abbott. The reason he's not mentioned is that he's their ace.  I admit I don't know much about Burns, but Lodolo and Greene would be nice adds, to me.

Lopez had arm trouble, but they say he's alright. I hesitate on guys like him, but yes, teh return package would be less than Joe Ryan's. Maybe add Lopez and Alcantara, but how much do we give up for both?

I wanna keep Tolle and Early, so that might limit who we can get.

Part of me thinks we should sign Merrill Kelly and trade for Marte. Use the rest of the money to sign a power bat, corner infielder.

I like Abbott just fine.  The lower K-rate might limit his ceiling.

[moonslav59]

17 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

I like Abbott just fine.  The lower K-rate might limit his ceiling.

Fair enough, but 8.1 is not too far from Lodolo's 9.0. (Lodolo's career is much better.)

Greene's is significantly better than both.

[notin]

4 hours ago, JoeBrady said:

I'm not sure why fans are enamored with Singer.  He's a good #3, that's all.

IRT Ryan, he finished the season very poorly, and not just a couple of starts.  He had a 4.67/4.60 ERA/FIP in the second half and a 6.75/8.01 in September.

Singer can usually find himself in the top 20-40% for WAR, which by some definitions can make him a #2.

I am far from enamored with him. I just figure he is much more likely to be traded than Hunter Greene.  In fact, I’m not sure why Cincy would be entertaining the thought of trading Hunter Greene right now.  It’s almost as outrageous as thinking the Pirates should trade Paul Skenes this off-season…

[notin]

3 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Alcantara seems like a huge gamble, but I'm not sure what the asking price would be. I would not be happy, if he was the only addition to the rotation.

I'm not sure why you don't like Abbott. The reason he's not mentioned is that he's their ace.  I admit I don't know much about Burns, but Lodolo and Greene would be nice adds, to me.

Lopez had arm trouble, but they say he's alright. I hesitate on guys like him, but yes, teh return package would be less than Joe Ryan's. Maybe add Lopez and Alcantara, but how much do we give up for both?

I wanna keep Tolle and Early, so that might limit who we can get.

Part of me thinks we should sign Merrill Kelly and trade for Marte. Use the rest of the money to sign a power bat, corner infielder.

Per BTV, Alcantara (2 yrs $38mill) has a surplus value of $10.1mill.  From Boston, an equivalent package could include any one of Perales, Early, Valera, Romero, Cespedes, or Dobbins.   No idea how Miami feels about any of them.  Some might be worth the risk for Alcantara.  Probably not Early or Dobbins.  You might need one or both if you trade for Alcantara.

With a contract worth $38mill over 2 years and a surplus value of $10mill, projections have Alcantara at 6 fWAR over 2 years or 3 fWAR per year.   I think the Sox could get that from either  Early or Dobbins instead.  

[moonslav59]

3 hours ago, notin said:

Per BTV, Alcantara (2 yrs $38mill) has a surplus value of $10.1mill.  From Boston, an equivalent package could include any one of Perales, Early, Valera, Romero, Cespedes, or Dobbins.   No idea how Miami feels about any of them.  Some might be worth the risk for Alcantara.  Probably not Early or Dobbins.  You might need one or both if you trade for Alcantara.

With a contract worth $38mill over 2 years and a surplus value of $10mill, projections have Alcantara at 6 fWAR over 2 years or 3 fWAR per year.   I think the Sox could get that from either  Early or Dobbins instead.  

Cespedes and Bleis?

[TedYazPapiMookie]

16 hours ago, JoeBrady said:

Just random snippets for discussion.

I'd love to get Greene, but my point is that there are some other very good targets.  I'd make a modest wager that Burns will have at least as much WAR over the next 6 years as Greene will have over the next three.  And with some odds, I'd bet on twice as much WAR.  

It might be a tad too early to consider Abreu a pure platoon.  He had a .676 in limited ABs last year.

IRT Narvaez, we don't have a catcher to replace him.  And since the Reds have Stephenson, they won't want Narvaez.  That said, Stephenson is getting a bit expensive, for the Reds, so if they wanted to throw him in as a trade chip, they can have Narvaez.

In terms of value, I'd make your trade without much having to think about it much.  But we do need a catcher.  And I'd prefer to throw in Campbell instead of Mayer, since OF is not much of a problem currently.

Now for the fun-what is a leftist belief in metrics?  And where do I fit?

So, you are still a bad gambler!!  ha ha and I'm still a guy who refuses take money from you; I simply prefer to school you yet again.  So here is why Burns is no Greene.

While Burns will be a talented pitcher comparable to Greene some day here is what he's going to have to go through over the next several years which renders him a far weaker choice for a team ready to win in 2026.

1 - The kid's control hasn't been perfected so his numbers in 2026 won't be close to Greene who has already mastered his control.

2 - The kid will need TJ surgery in the next couple of years significantly reducing his value compared to Greene who has already experienced TJ surgery.

3 - The WAR for Greene will far exceed Burns in 2026.  Then it might get closer in 2027, but the cumulative numbers will be even farther apart by the end of 2027.  In 2028, his TJ surgery will give Greene a complete year advantage to add to his already higher cumulative numbers.  You can do the math from there.

Next, Abreu had better numbers vs LH pitchers in 2025 but that is completely explained by the splits.  He hit RH Pitchers 312 times and LH Pitchers 61 times which means over 5 times as many at bats.  That's the definition of a platoon hitter.  In 2024, he had 338 RH at bats and 61 LH pitcher at bats.  Nearly the same 5 to 1 ratio of RH to LH at bats.  Platoon, just like I said. 

Raising his average vs RHs from .180 to .230 isn't exactly a major achievement especially with his average against RH pitchers stayed around .260.  Leaving him with a pretty pathetic batting average for a starter.  Split the at bats in 2026 and he'll lower his average even further from the .247 that followed his .253 in 2024.  He'll end up around .235 to .245 hitter at best.  Not exactly an average worthy of playing every day with his defense leading the outfield in errors over the last two years. 

Boston needs a catcher so ask for Stevenson and throw in another prospect but not Campbell.  Campbell is a future all-star who needs a real opportunity to play his SS position or 1B if Casas doesn't bounce back from his year off.  Mayer is injury prone yet very overrated, so he needs to be in the deal.  Campbell, thanks to Cora, is very, very under-rated considering he's one year removed from Minor League Player of the Year.  The equity in the trade comes from overrated players like Mayer and Abreu.  Narvaez is overrated as well and if we add #1 prospect Arias to get Greene and Stevenson, I say do it because Arias has no place to play.

 

[Krusty]

Reds fan here.

Would the Red Sox be willing to part with Jarren Duran, pitcher Payton Tolle and outfielder Jhostynxon Garcia for Hunter Greene?

Reds don’t have to trade Greene and any deal would have to be one the Reds can’t refuse.

[moonslav59]

2 hours ago, Krusty said:

 

Reds fan here.

Would the Red Sox be willing to part with Jarren Duran, pitcher Payton Tolle and outfielder Jhostynxon Garcia for Hunter Greene?

Reds don’t have to trade Greene and any deal would have to be one the Reds can’t refuse.

The Tolle inclusion would  be the roadblock, as would Early. Since the Reds don't need multiple SP'ers, it wouldn't help to instead offer 2 from Crawford, Dobbins, Fitts & Harrison or 1 SP'er and a choice of a RP'er from Sandlin, Bernardino, Kelly, Guerrero or Moran. I doubt adding DHam helps at all. You guys don't want 3-4 forty man roster players for Greene, and you are looking to win, now, so taking Valera, Clarke or Arias might not be a viable sub for Tolle.

We could probably offer K Campbell, instead of Jh Garcia, but I'm not sure you'd view that as a big enough uptick to sub out another arm for Tolle.

Duran, Campbell & Crawford/Dobbins/Harrison? (Add Sandlin?)