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[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

2 hours ago, sk7326 said:

We do that and then Sale shatters his patella walking off the plane back at Logan.

Probably shatters it walking to the restroom while still in the plane.

[moonslav59]

DHam is a clear plus on D at 2B. That alone might be enough to pick him over Grissom.

DHam has great baserunning skills and can be used to PR, when not in the game.

DHam had a nice WAR after a slow start in 2024. Grissom hasn't been good in about 2 years.

[cp176]

15 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

DHam is a clear plus on D at 2B. That alone might be enough to pick him over Grissom.

DHam has great baserunning skills and can be used to PR, when not in the game.

DHam had a nice WAR after a slow start in 2024. Grissom hasn't been good in about 2 years.

hey I’m ok with whatever they do with anybody right now for sure and I do like David Hamilton but outside of his speed I haven’t really seen much to make me think he is all that valuable a piece.  It is obvious I guess that Grissom isn’t a fit in the system.  They should unload him somehow for his sake.  It’s interesting to me that we have a number of posters who have been ready to ship Connor Wong off to a secluded island somewhere in exile while still applauding the fact that we have a David Hamilton playing second base for us every now and then.  Connor Wong is a far more valuable piece of this puzzle than David Hamilton .  Not a knock on Hamilton at all.  He is doing his job.  

[moonslav59]

Just now, cp176 said:

hey I’m ok with whatever they do with anybody right now for sure and I do like David Hamilton but outside of his speed I haven’t really seen much to make me think he is all that valuable a piece.  It is obvious I guess that Grissom isn’t a fit in the system.  They should unload him somehow for his sake.  It’s interesting to me that we have a number of posters who have been ready to ship Connor Wong off to a secluded island somewhere in exile while still applauding the fact that we have a David Hamilton playing second base for us every now and then.  Connor Wong is a far more valuable piece of this puzzle than David Hamilton .  Not a knock on Hamilton at all.  He is doing his job.  

I can certainly see why DHam should not be playing much, except as a late inning defensive replacement or PR'er, but I see no reasons for Grissom to be playing on a team in contention.

Sure, he may end up hitting significantly better than DHam, but I don't see why we should assume that, just because DHam had been around .400-.500, most of the season. I don't think he is that bad and will continue under .500. I'm not sure Grissom will hit more than .600 or .650.

[cp176]

Just now, moonslav59 said:

I can certainly see why DHam should not be playing much, except as a late inning defensive replacement or PR'er, but I see no reasons for Grissom to be playing on a team in contention.

Sure, he may end up hitting significantly better than DHam, but I don't see why we should assume that, just because DHam had been around .400-.500, most of the season. I don't think he is that bad and will continue under .500. I'm not sure Grissom will hit more than .600 or .650.

I agree.  I’m not that guy beating the drum for the Grissoms of the world.  There is no reason for him to be on a team in contention.  That being said I still find some of the decisions made by management a little confusing.  Maybe that’s because I don’t do a deep dive into available information to determine every player’s worth.  I’m a fan who does rely on box scores to get much of my information.  I’m honestly ok with that.  I just love watching the game.  Actually I don’t think that I’ve ever seen Grissom play.  I don’t happen to think he is some slouch who just rolled off the couch though.  He is a young professional athlete who looks as though he is having a decent year.  I hope that he like many of his teammates continues to enjoy his ride. 

[Bellhorn04]

1 minute ago, cp176 said:

I agree.  I’m not that guy beating the drum for the Grissoms of the world.  There is no reason for him to be on a team in contention.  That being said I still find some of the decisions made by management a little confusing.  Maybe that’s because I don’t do a deep dive into available information to determine every player’s worth.  I’m a fan who does rely on box scores to get much of my information.  I’m honestly ok with that.  I just love watching the game.  Actually I don’t think that I’ve ever seen Grissom play.  I don’t happen to think he is some slouch who just rolled off the couch though.  He is a young professional athlete who looks as though he is having a decent year.  I hope that he like many of his teammates continues to enjoy his ride. 

Some guys who look like great hitters in AAA cannot hit major league pitching.  Bobby Dalbec is one example.  Grissom is the opposite of Dalbec in that he makes a lot of contact, but he lacks home run power.  Grissom has gone well over 200 major league at bats since his last home run.    

[moonslav59]

35 minutes ago, cp176 said:

I agree.  I’m not that guy beating the drum for the Grissoms of the world.  There is no reason for him to be on a team in contention.  That being said I still find some of the decisions made by management a little confusing.  Maybe that’s because I don’t do a deep dive into available information to determine every player’s worth.  I’m a fan who does rely on box scores to get much of my information.  I’m honestly ok with that.  I just love watching the game.  Actually I don’t think that I’ve ever seen Grissom play.  I don’t happen to think he is some slouch who just rolled off the couch though.  He is a young professional athlete who looks as though he is having a decent year.  I hope that he like many of his teammates continues to enjoy his ride. 

I remember him being very bad on D at 2B, which surprised me, since he was a SS w ATL. Maybe he needed time to adjust, but reports are, he still sucks on D.

[cp176]

1 hour ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Some guys who look like great hitters in AAA cannot hit major league pitching.  Bobby Dalbec is one example.  Grissom is the opposite of Dalbec in that he makes a lot of contact, but he lacks home run power.  Grissom has gone well over 200 major league at bats since his last home run.    

I really don’t have any idea about his defense.  If he was an adequate ss and he is terrible at second base, that would be very unusual.  Now listen, that is not a comment about Grissom just a perception people and maybe statistics show in general.  There is no question that  ss as a position  is tougher to play.  There are obviously some differences but making the transition from short to second should not be a big deal.  The other way, not so much.  This once again has nothing really to do with any individual.  I’m a lay person who just finds some of the decisions made by this management team to be confusing.  Obviously they are pushing the right buttons.  Grissom just like every one of his teammates is an outstanding baseball player.  Good enough - apparently not but they don’t get to the level they are at unless they are pretty special.  

[mvp 78]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

I remember him being very bad on D at 2B, which surprised me, since he was a SS w ATL. Maybe he needed time to adjust, but reports are, he still sucks on D.

-3 DRS, -5 OAA at SS in '22 in 40 games. He wasn't a good SS. 

[cp176]

22 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

-3 DRS, -5 OAA at SS in '22 in 40 games. He wasn't a good SS. 

Now you see where I’m going with this.  I have no clue what -DRS or -5OAA might mean.  What do they mean by the way?

[mvp 78]

39 minutes ago, cp176 said:

Now you see where I’m going with this.  I have no clue what -DRS or -5OAA might mean.  What do they mean by the way?

Defensive Runs Saved

Outs Above Average

[Maxbialystock]

6 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

I can certainly see why DHam should not be playing much, except as a late inning defensive replacement or PR'er, but I see no reasons for Grissom to be playing on a team in contention.

Sure, he may end up hitting significantly better than DHam, but I don't see why we should assume that, just because DHam had been around .400-.500, most of the season. I don't think he is that bad and will continue under .500. I'm not sure Grissom will hit more than .600 or .650.

For crying out loud.  Grissom and Gonzalez both play 2b and both are righty hitters--and Gonzalez is a much better hitter than Grissom.  So there is absolutely no need short of injury to have Grissom as backup.  Hamilton, on the other hand,, is better defensively than either and a better baserunner.  Plus he can back up SS.  

The Sox owe Grissom nothing.  

[Kimmi]

On 8/5/2025 at 11:23 AM, Maxbialystock said:

It's August and the Sox are in the hunt.  Grissom is not competing with Hamilton, but with Gonzalez, who is proving his worth when and where it counts.  

I cannot argue with this.  Your point that Grissom is competing with Gonzalez and not Hamilton makes sense.  And Hamilton as a back up over Grissom as a back up makes a lot of sense.

[moonslav59]

7 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

-3 DRS, -5 OAA at SS in '22 in 40 games. He wasn't a good SS. 

Yes, I knew that, but I figured he might be a 0 or just -1 at 2B.

[Sox 42]

Guess my opinion started this discussion.  I would still take Grissom over Hamilton.  Bottom Line:  All of us on this site are armature general managers!  That is the fun of it, we can bitch and moan over whatever decision the Sox make but we still love and cheer for them.  I also would have traded Brigham at the deadline.

[mvp 78]

13 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Yes, I knew that, but I figured he might be a 0 or just -1 at 2B.

That's probably what the Sox figured too. 🫣

[Bellhorn04]

12 hours ago, Sox 42 said:

Guess my opinion started this discussion.  I would still take Grissom over Hamilton.  Bottom Line:  All of us on this site are armature general managers!  That is the fun of it, we can bitch and moan over whatever decision the Sox make but we still love and cheer for them.  I also would have traded Brigham at the deadline.

You would have traded Alex Brigham Young?

[mvp 78]

12 hours ago, Sox 42 said:

Guess my opinion started this discussion.  I would still take Grissom over Hamilton.  Bottom Line:  All of us on this site are armature general managers!  That is the fun of it, we can bitch and moan over whatever decision the Sox make but we still love and cheer for them.  I also would have traded Brigham at the deadline.

As armchair team owner, you are fired. 

[moonslav59]

46 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

You would have traded Alex Brigham Young?

I though Brigham was DHam.

[Bellhorn04]

3 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I though Brigham was DHam.

You're probably right.  It was quite a mash-up.

[mvp 78]

13 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

You're probably right.  It was quite a mash-up.

At least they have the communication issues squared away just like Breslow! 😎

[Maxbialystock]

14 hours ago, Sox 42 said:

Guess my opinion started this discussion.  I would still take Grissom over Hamilton.  Bottom Line:  All of us on this site are armature general managers!  That is the fun of it, we can bitch and moan over whatever decision the Sox make but we still love and cheer for them.  I also would have traded Brigham at the deadline.

You do know, I hope, that it isn't just us who didn't want Grissom sent up instead of Hamilton.  It's Cora, Breslow, and goodness knows who else in the Sox hierarchy.  

Grissom and Gonzalez are both righty bats who play 2b.  Gonzalez so far is the vastly better hitter.  And Hamilton is a better defender and baserunner than either of them.  Grissom could move up if either Gonzalez or Hamilton goes on the IL.