Article: This Wasn’t the Second Base Competition We Anticpated

[mvp 78]

31 minutes ago, Old Red said:

 

KC. The Man, The Myth, and the Legend before he even appears  in his first MLB game. You’ve also already penciled in the RAF Man as a 246. Opinion, speculation, prediction, or whatever that the RAF Man can’t do better? 🙈🤭🤫

He was the Minor League Player of the Year last season! 

Previous winners:

Jackson Holliday

Gunnar Henderson - pretty good!

Bobby Witt Jr - pretty good!

Gavin Lux

Vlad Jr - pretty good!

Ronald Acuna - pretty good!

In the 40+ years the award has been around, the misses have been few and far between. Even the guys that weren't perennial All Stars, still had long MLB careers. 

[Old Red]

19 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

He was the Minor League Player of the Year last season! 

Previous winners:

Jackson Holliday

Gunnar Henderson - pretty good!

Bobby Witt Jr - pretty good!

Gavin Lux

Vlad Jr - pretty good!

Ronald Acuna - pretty good!

In the 40+ years the award has been around, the misses have been few and far between. Even the guys that weren't perennial All Stars, still had long MLB careers. 

I know what he did last year, but he hasn’t made the 26, or appeared in a MLB game yet. I’m just waiting to see him perform in the Big Show, and produces before I anoint him anything. I’m not questioning anything except seeing it at the MLB level

 

[Old Red]

42 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Raffy is hurt. He will almost certainly start the season at DH.

From my understanding Raffy is not hurt, or hurting, but just feels he not ready to see live action yet. 

[moonslav59]

2 minutes ago, Old Red said:

 I’m not questioning anything except seeing it at the MLB level

 

Somebody hacked your account and wrote this...

 "KC. The Man, The Myth, and the Legend before he even appears  in his first MLB game."

[moonslav59]

Just now, Old Red said:

From my understanding Raffy is not hurt, or hurting, but just feels he not ready to see live action yet. 

Because of some mental issue?

He's not ready, because his shoulder is bothering him enough to not play.

You'll argue with anything I say- just to disagree.

[Old Red]

9 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Because of some mental issue?

He's not ready, because his shoulder is bothering him enough to not play.

You'll argue with anything I say- just to disagree.

What did Cora say about Raffy at the start of ST when he described about how Raffy was behind in his conditioning, and about Tampa. What has Cora said since? Where did he say Raffy was hurt, or hurting. Did Raffy tell him he was hurt, or did Raffy say he needed more time in the cage, or facing live BP? I’m disagreeing. Listen to all the live interviews with Cora, and read all the comments. That’s what I go on.

[Old Red]

18 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Somebody hacked your account and wrote this...

 "KC. The Man, The Myth, and the Legend before he even appears  in his first MLB game."

What does his MLB stats say? His hype hasn’t preceded him? I love watching Minor League baseball, but ONLY MLB stats count to me.

[moonslav59]

57 minutes ago, Old Red said:

What does his MLB stats say? His hype hasn’t preceded him? I love watching Minor League baseball, but ONLY MLB stats count to me.

We know your position well.

You are questioning what he can do at the ML level. You called "KC. The myth..."

We got it. No strawman from us.

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, Old Red said:

What did Cora say about Raffy at the start of ST when he described about how Raffy was behind in his conditioning, and about Tampa. What has Cora said since? Where did he say Raffy was hurt, or hurting. Did Raffy tell him he was hurt, or did Raffy say he needed more time in the cage, or facing live BP? I’m disagreeing. Listen to all the live interviews with Cora, and read all the comments. That’s what I go on.

We know what you "go on."

It's all you tell us. Repeating it over and over does nothing.

[mvp 78]

[Old Red]

7 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

We know what you "go on."

It's all you tell us. Repeating it over and over does nothing.

Yes, I go on what Cora has said previously, and what he just said when he said Raffy wouldn’t play Wednesday, and needed more time. Are you saying I shouldn’t listen to Cora? That’s what I go on. Where do you get your info from, or are you just speculating again?

[Old Red]

18 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

We know your position well.

You are questioning what he can do at the ML level. You called "KC. The myth..."

We got it. No strawman from us.

I’m not doing the hype, hype, hype. Being the Man behind the curtain you certainly know the Strawman.

[moonslav59]

Just now, Old Red said:

I’m not doing the hype, hype, hype. Being the Man behind the curtain you certainly know the Strawman.

I have no idea if Campbell is good enough. I projected he will start in AAA. I'm excited about hids potential, and somehow that bothers you.

If I had to guess, I think he could outhit Rafaela in 2025, and somehow you view that as "hype, hype, hype." 

MVP points out how other Players of the year have done, and you choose hold optimism against some fans. That's your right. We have the right to disagree, and we do.

And, yes I know the master of strawman construction, and his name is Old Red. 

[Old Red]

7 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I have no idea if Campbell is good enough. I projected he will start in AAA. I'm excited about hids potential, and somehow that bothers you.

If I had to guess, I think he could outhit Rafaela in 2025, and somehow you view that as "hype, hype, hype." 

MVP points out how other Players of the year have done, and you choose hold optimism against some fans. That's your right. We have the right to disagree, and we do.

And, yes I know the master of strawman construction, and his name is Old Red. 

As usual you analyze, and analyze wrong. I’ve given my opinion many times over that Suspects like Campbell is useless to me until they produce in a Red Sox uniform, or are traded for someone who does. You don’t like that opinion , but that’s the way it is, so you see things another way, and you tell me that it bothers me. It doesn’t, but you can’t say the same that my opinion doesn’t bother you. You said before I disagree with you, but I agreed with MVP first, but you disagreed with both of us. Like I’ve said many times I’m not a cheerleader, and wave Pom Poms like you do Mayer for Mayor, and don’t wake up a sleeping Giant when Bregman hit a HR, and there’s nothing wrong with that, or how I do it either.

[moonslav59]

9 minutes ago, Old Red said:

As usual you analyze, and analyze wrong. I’ve given my opinion many times over that Suspects like Campbell is useless to me until they produce in a Red Sox uniform, or are traded for someone who does. You don’t like that opinion , but that’s the way it is, so you see things another way, and you tell me that it bothers me. It doesn’t, but you can’t say the same that my opinion doesn’t bother you. You said before I disagree with you, but I agreed with MVP first, but you disagreed with both of us. Like I’ve said many times I’m not a cheerleader, and wave Pom Poms like you do Mayer for Mayor, and don’t wake up a sleeping Giant when Bregman hit a HR, and there’s nothing wrong with that, or how I do it either.

What did I analyze wrong?

You continuously complain when someone cheers, and you label it "hype, hype, hype," but don't call that "bothering you." Okay. Got it.

If there is nothing wrong with me showing excitement by punning "Mayer for mayor," and it doesn't bother you, why have you repeated it a half dozen times?

BTW, what is your opinion on Campbell? All I hear is that you'll know what he is when he gets to the bigs and shows it. (I'm paraphrasing, here.) That's not an opinion on him as a player. It's a statement about how you view all prospects not the player.

 

[Old Red]

17 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Somebody hacked your account and wrote this...

 "KC. The Man, The Myth, and the Legend before he even appears  in his first MLB game."

I read an article This morning by Adam London saying that KC entered ST with a borderline overwhelming level of hype. It’s all out there for all to see, and read, and you don’t have to go far to find it.

[moonslav59]

11 minutes ago, Old Red said:

I read an article This morning by Adam London saying that KC entered ST with a borderline overwhelming level of hype. It’s all out there for all to see, and read, and you don’t have to go far to find it.

I wasn't hyping him, but you implied I was, along with Mayor Mayer and Sleeping Giant Bregman.

He was the minor league player of the year. There is reason the media "hyped" him, and whether the term "hype" is appropriate. When you see the list MVP provides of past winners, maybe they are underselling KC. MAYBE.

[moonslav59]

15 hours ago, Old Red said:

...but I agreed with MVP first,...

We all know that words have alternative meanings to you, but I fail to see where you agreed with MVP first, or what the "first" means or has to do with this. Here is your complete reply to the post about MVP you replied to me about:

"I know what he did last year, but he hasn’t made the 26, or appeared in a MLB game yet. I’m just waiting to see him perform in the Big Show, and produces before I anoint him anything. I’m not questioning anything except seeing it at the MLB level."

Tell me the words you used that show you "agreed."

[Old Red]

23 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I wasn't hyping him, but you implied I was, along with Mayor Mayer and Sleeping Giant Bregman.

He was the minor league player of the year. There is reason the media "hyped" him, and whether the term "hype" is appropriate. When you see the list MVP provides of past winners, maybe they are underselling KC. MAYBE.

OMG! You have hyped the suspects for the last three years, and over, and over again.

[Bellhorn04]

Rockem Sockem Robots are back in stock, folks! 🙃

[Old Red]

7 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

We all know that words have alternative meanings to you, but I fail to see where you agreed with MVP first, or what the "first" means or has to do with this. Here is your complete reply to the post about MVP you replied to me about:

"I know what he did last year, but he hasn’t made the 26, or appeared in a MLB game yet. I’m just waiting to see him perform in the Big Show, and produces before I anoint him anything. I’m not questioning anything except seeing it at the MLB level."

Tell me the words you used that show you "agreed."

OMG again! Just go back earlier in this thread where MVP talked about the best hitting lineup p, and I said I agreed 100%. It was you who disagreed. Like I said KC isn’t even on the 26 yet. When he gets there then what he does will count.

[Old Red]

2 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Rockem Sockem Robots are back in stock, folks! 🙃

No it’s not. Moon just mistakenly takes LMAO, and chuckling as being bothered by him waving Pom Poms. He also tries to say I shouldn’t get any information from Cora on if Raffy is hurt, or hurting.

[mvp 78]

15 minutes ago, Old Red said:

No it’s not. Moon just mistakenly takes LMAO, and chuckling as being bothered by him waving Pom Poms. He also tries to say I shouldn’t get any information from Cora on if Raffy is hurt, or hurting.

Ah yes, the "it wasn't me, it was them" routine. I hear this every morning when my kids are trying to get ready for school and can't stop bickering with each other. It's really fun for the rest of us. 

[Old Red]

2 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Ah yes, the "it wasn't me, it was them" routine. I hear this every morning when my kids are trying to get ready for school and can't stop bickering with each other. It's really fun for the rest of us. 

Well to say KC has been over hyped shouldn’t cause a problem. It’s been written, and talked about just yesterday on a talk show that all we’ve heard is Campbell, Campbell' Campbell, and Campbell, and it’s like trying to cram it down our throat. That’s what’s out there, so I don’t get why that should be a problem on here.

[mvp 78]

5 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Well to say KC has been over hyped shouldn’t cause a problem. It’s been written, and talked about just yesterday on a talk show that all we’ve heard is Campbell, Campbell' Campbell, and Campbell, and it’s like trying to cram it down our throat. That’s what’s out there, so I don’t get why that should be a problem on here.

I don't care about the specifics of the argument and declaring a winner. I only care that you two are like moths to a lightbulb. 

[Old Red]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

I don't care about the specifics of the argument and declaring a winner. I only care that you two are like moths to a lightbulb. 

I agree. I’ve been a bad boy, and I’ll try, and do better.

[moonslav59]

43 minutes ago, Old Red said:

OMG! You have hyped the suspects for the last three years, and over, and over again.

You call it "hype." Fine.

I have not been saying KC, mayer or Anthony have earned a slot on the 26 or 40, yet.

I've been talking about the idea of MAYBE starting the season with a DHam-Romy platoon at 2B- you know, the plan you have roundly criticized over and over. 

Yes, I get very optimistic about prospects and players that do well, like many fans do. I totally understand the position that they are in many ways "suspects" until they prove something, but in some ways, many vets are "suspect" in one way or another, too.

I'm sorry that Campbell has been crammed down your throat. I hope it hasn't interfered with your breathing. I'm not counting on him or any of the big three to win an opening day roster spot. That, in itself shows I'm not over-hyping KC. There are several poster who do think the kids need to be given starting roles.

[moonslav59]

15 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I don't care about the specifics of the argument and declaring a winner. I only care that you two are like moths to a lightbulb. 

I try not to say "it bothers you."

[mvp 78]

11 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I'm sorry that Campbell has been crammed down your throat. I hope it hasn't interfered with your breathing. 

 

[moonslav59]

Calm is my middle name.