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[moonslav59]

I’d prefer Stroman and Imanaga, too. And I’m one of the few pro-Giolito posters.

 

But all three is simply not reality. And two of them is a likely pipe dream, unless we are all completely misreading this front office.

 

So are the Sox one SP away? And is that one SP Stroman/Giolito/Imanaga?

 

 

And I’m sure if I saw your top 13 list, I’d be writing off a few names on that…

 

No. We are at least 2 very good SPers and a very good all around 2Bman away from being close.

 

Just 1 SP, 2Bman and a guy from your list does not get us to 80 wins, IMO.

 

2 from Stroman, Imanaga or Giolito plus a 2Bman might.

 

My list is short, at this point.

 

Monty

Stroman

Imanaga

Maybe Giolito or a guy like Bauer.

Trade for Kim or Polanco.

 

I might beE forgetting someone, but to me, falling short of even this downgraded list, is punting.

 

I’m not interested in how we can punt better, unless it involves improving the 2025 outlook.

[notin]

Please delete.

 

I deleted my reference. Of course your original is still out there…

[moonslav59]

On any given day, it’s the Sox current payroll.

 

Minus 10%…

 

If it’s not at least near the tax line, it’s a punt and a sham.

[sk7326]

The McAdam piece was terrifying - if the team is not committed to the tax line as a minimum expectation, it is harrowing.

 

Worst still will be if they want to pinch pennies in general. Like Tampa - we know they have a low MLB payroll, but they also have the largest pro scouting staff in the league and they put a ton of money into scouting, coaching and analytics. The Dodgers (the ONLY team that actually has more revenue firepower than Boston) spend on all of it.

 

If the Red Sox want to be a team not as dependent on free agency, fine - but they then need to pour resources into scouting and development.

[notin]

No. We are at least 2 very good SPers and a very good all around 2Bman away from being close.

 

Just 1 SP, 2Bman and a guy from your list does not get us to 80 wins, IMO.

 

2 from Stroman, Imanaga or Giolito plus a 2Bman might.

 

My list is short, at this point.

 

Monty

Stroman

Imanaga

Maybe Giolito or a guy like Bauer.

Trade for Kim or Polanco.

 

I might beE forgetting someone, but to me, falling short of even this downgraded list, is punting.

M

I’m not interested in how we can punt better, unless it involves improving the 2025 outlook.

 

I don’t often include Bauer, but he is an option. However, as an extremely expensive (he does come across as greedy) option with more negative baggage than Jack the Ripper, he isn’t very likely.

 

I also like Brandon Drury for 2b. Of course, the Angels have been close to full throttle than the Sox lately.

 

I would sign Fujinami, whether you like him or not. I know the BP is crowded, but there is always room for someone who throws 100mph. If nothing else, it frees up a reliever to trade. (Jansen? Martin?)

[mvp 78]

The McAdam piece was terrifying - if the team is not committed to the tax line as a minimum expectation, it is harrowing.

 

Worst still will be if they want to pinch pennies in general. Like Tampa - we know they have a low MLB payroll, but they also have the largest pro scouting staff in the league and they put a ton of money into scouting, coaching and analytics. The Dodgers (the ONLY team that actually has more revenue firepower than Boston) spend on all of it.

 

If the Red Sox want to be a team not as dependent on free agency, fine - but they then need to pour resources into scouting and development.

 

They aren't Tampa, they are the Rockies...

[moonslav59]

I don’t often include Bauer, but he is an option. However, as an extremely expensive (he does come across as greedy) option with more negative baggage than Jack the Ripper, he isn’t very likely.

 

I also like Brandon Drury for 2b. Of course, the Angels have been close to full throttle than the Sox lately.

 

I would sign Fujinami, whether you like him or not. I know the BP is crowded, but there is always room for someone who throws 100mph. If nothing else, it frees up a reliever to trade. (Jansen? Martin?)

 

I would include Drury.

[Bellhorn04]

The McAdam piece was terrifying - if the team is not committed to the tax line as a minimum expectation, it is harrowing.

 

Worst still will be if they want to pinch pennies in general. Like Tampa - we know they have a low MLB payroll, but they also have the largest pro scouting staff in the league and they put a ton of money into scouting, coaching and analytics. The Dodgers (the ONLY team that actually has more revenue firepower than Boston) spend on all of it.

 

If the Red Sox want to be a team not as dependent on free agency, fine - but they then need to pour resources into scouting and development.

 

For those who didn't read it, McAdam basically confirms the Sox are NOT in on Montgomery.

[moonslav59]

They need a 2B better than Valdez/Reyes. That shouldn't be hard to do.

 

They need SP better than Bello/Sale/Crawford/Houck/Pivetta. Some of the names throw around (tier 4 and lower), are NOT better than these guys. What's the point in adding if they aren't higher quality!?!?!?

 

They need significantly better.

[moonslav59]

For those who didn't read it, McAdam basically confirms the Sox are NOT in on Montgomery.

 

Link to article?

 

I can’t find it on google mexico

[Bellhorn04]

Link to article?

 

I can’t find it on google mexico

 

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2023/12/some-things-i-think-i-think-on-facing-facts-about-the-red-sox-and-more.html

[mvp 78]

For those who didn't read it, McAdam basically confirms the Sox are NOT in on Montgomery.

 

Mazz said as much early last week. Merloni agreed at the end of the week. Now McAdam wants to get in on the fun.

 

I had to swallow my pride to both listen to the Mazz podcast and report it to my beloved TalkSox fans.

[Bellhorn04]

They might even be thinking Stroman is too expensive.

[Bellhorn04]

I'm not really buying the stuff about Cora's future being in the Sox front office, either. He's getting hung out to dry here too. I don't see how he can possibly be happy with what's going on.

[moonslav59]

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2023/12/some-things-i-think-i-think-on-facing-facts-about-the-red-sox-and-more.html

 

Thanks. Not a very cheerful outlook.

[mvp 78]

I'm not really buying the stuff about Cora's future being in the Sox front office, either. He's getting hung out to dry here too. I don't see how he can possibly be happy with what's going on.

 

After what managers were paid this offseason, if he's not extended, he's going to bolt for the Dodgers next offseason to manage there.

[moonslav59]

They might even be thinking Stroman is too expensive.

 

It sure looks possible

[Bellhorn04]

Maybe Lowe's will have a Boxing Week sale on pitchforks and torches. We need one piece of good news at least.

[moonslav59]

I'm not really buying the stuff about Cora's future being in the Sox front office, either. He's getting hung out to dry here too. I don't see how he can possibly be happy with what's going on.

 

It would help if they were up front with Cora, as the lies continue or not to the fans.

 

I’m not sure he can or will believe any promises of future big spending, once the kids start making some major impacts… assuming a few do.

 

It sounds like a sham.

It looks like a sham.

It smells like a sham.

It even tastes like a sham.

 

I’m hopeful that someday we turn it around, but right now, we are living in the sham era.

[notin]

They might even be thinking Stroman is too expensive.

 

Agreed. And he has a history of undervaluing himself…

[mvp 78]

Maybe Lowe's will have a Boxing Week sale on pitchforks and torches. We need one piece of good news at least.

 

The 2023 Red Sox Riot as sponsored by Aubuchon Hardware. They'll string you right up!

[notin]

It would help if they were up front with Cora, as the lies continue or not to the fans.

 

I’m not sure he can or will believe any promises of future big spending, once the kids start making some major impacts… assuming a few do.

 

It sounds like a sham.

It looks like a sham.

It smells like a sham.

It even tastes like a sham.

 

I’m hopeful that someday we turn it around, but right now, we are living in the sham era.

 

Not a sham. Just a Kia Sedona that we’re taking full throttle.

 

Also this particular Sedona has no gas in the tank…

[moonslav59]

A big NESN boycott might motivate JH, even if to sell the team.

[moonslav59]

Sham, sham, SHAM!

[mvp 78]

A big NESN boycott might motivate JH, even if to sell the team.

 

Another mediocre 70 something win team will start that boycott no matter what.

[Old Red]

Guys, guys, guys. Let’s see how the team looks at the end of ST, before the tar, feathers, and pitchfork are brought out. I guess I’m the only one who is not all up in arms over the Red Sox slow offseason so far. I guess that’s, because I never thought the Red Sox had a snowball’s chance in hell of landing the Big O, or the Yam Man in the first place, and I didn’t expect the Red Sox to sign any of the overhyped, over paid FA pitches, so I’m fine with that not happening either. Those of you who expected some of those things to happen, and have speculated on possible signings for a couple of months now I can understand your anger. Wishful thinking I get, but not the reality of it. I say it again to trade, trade, trade. Now if that doesn’t happen, and the Red Sox go into ST with pretty much what they have now I’ll be with you with the tar, feathers, and pitchforks. In the meantime I’m just sitting back, and watching the Dodgers build a super team, and waiting for others to overpay for what’s left of the starting pitching.

[mvp 78]

Guys, guys, guys. Let’s see how the team looks at the end of ST, before the tar, feathers, and pitchfork are brought out. I guess I’m the only one who is not all up in arms over the Red Sox slow offseason so far. I guess that’s, because I never thought the Red Sox had a snowball’s chance in hell of landing the Big O, or the Yam Man in the first place, and I didn’t expect the Red Sox to sign any of the overhyped, over paid FA pitches, so I’m fine with that not happening either. Those of you who expected some of those things to happen, and have speculated on possible signings for a couple of months now I can understand your anger. Wishful thinking I get, but not the reality of it. I say it again to trade, trade, trade. Now if that doesn’t happen, and the Red Sox go into ST with pretty much what they have now I’ll be with you with the tar, feathers, and pitchforks. In the meantime I’m just sitting back, and watching the Dodgers build a super team, and waiting for others to overpay for what’s left of the starting pitching.

 

Interesting... The people down at Duffys were pretty upset last I checked! You're just going to be late for the lynching.

[Bellhorn04]

Guys, guys, guys. Let’s see how the team looks at the end of ST, before the tar, feathers, and pitchfork are brought out. I guess I’m the only one who is not all up in arms over the Red Sox slow offseason so far. I guess that’s, because I never thought the Red Sox had a snowball’s chance in hell of landing the Big O, or the Yam Man in the first place, and I didn’t expect the Red Sox to sign any of the overhyped, over paid FA pitches, so I’m fine with that not happening either. Those of you who expected some of those things to happen, and have speculated on possible signings for a couple of months now I can understand your anger. Wishful thinking I get, but not the reality of it. I say it again to trade, trade, trade.

 

Yes, they really need to trade for some overhyped pitchers and overpay them instead. Burnes is all set to sign an extension with any team that blows him away.

[mvp 78]

Yes, they really need to trade for some overhyped pitchers and overpay them instead. Burnes is all set to sign an extension with any team that blows him away.

 

AKA not the Sox right now.

[notin]

Guys, guys, guys. Let’s see how the team looks at the end of ST, before the tar, feathers, and pitchfork are brought out. I guess I’m the only one who is not all up in arms over the Red Sox slow offseason so far. I guess that’s, because I never thought the Red Sox had a snowball’s chance in hell of landing the Big O, or the Yam Man in the first place, and I didn’t expect the Red Sox to sign any of the overhyped, over paid FA pitches, so I’m fine with that not happening either. Those of you who expected some of those things to happen, and have speculated on possible signings for a couple of months now I can understand your anger. Wishful thinking I get, but not the reality of it. I say it again to trade, trade, trade. Now if that doesn’t happen, and the Red Sox go into ST with pretty much what they have now I’ll be with you with the tar, feathers, and pitchforks. In the meantime I’m just sitting back, and watching the Dodgers build a super team, and waiting for others to overpay for what’s left of the starting pitching.

 

I’m not up in arms about it either.

 

I never expected Ohtani or Yamamoto. Disappointed in missing Gray. Not huge on Wacha. Don’t understand the infatuation with Lugo. ERod, ok. I would have liked that reunion.

 

But with Imanaga, Stroman and Giolito on the board, I’m not horrid by what’s left.

 

Plus the possibility of making trades still exists. The interest in Hernandez could be a precursor for dealing an OF, for example…