How have the Red Sox fared in past free agent bidding wars?

[moonslav59]

Beckett's career basically ended after leaving the Sox do to injury.

 

Yes, but at the time, he was still viewed as a big plus, at the time of the trade.

 

BTW, AGon declined after the trade, too.

 

.888 OPS w SDP

.895 OPS w BOS

.793 OPS w LAD, but .817 his first full 3 years there.

[mvp 78]

Yes, but at the time, he was still viewed as a big plus, at the time of the trade.

 

BTW, AGon declined after the trade, too.

 

.888 OPS w SDP

.895 OPS w BOS

.793 OPS w LAD, but .817 his first full 3 years there.

 

AGon's first 3 years were ok (wRC+ 124, 129, 129), but he really fell off.

[moonslav59]

AGon's first 3 years were ok (wRC+ 124, 129, 129), but he really fell off.

 

Yes, still okay, but almost as big a drop from SDP/BOS as from year 3 to 4:

 

wRC+

156 SDP '09

142 SDP '10

155 BOS '11

(116 BOS/LAD '12)

124 LAD '13

129 LAD '14

129 LAD '15

111 LAD '16

 

The drop from '15 to '16 was 18 points.

The drop from '11 to '13 was 21 points.

 

He was still a good player for 3-4 years with LA, but he was not great and did not earn that salary, IMO.

 

When you consider the salary LA took on with AGon, CC and Beckett, minus the small payments we made to them, they got hosed.

[notin]

Yes, still okay, but almost as big a drop from SDP/BOS as from year 3 to 4:

 

wRC+

156 SDP '09

142 SDP '10

155 BOS '11

(116 BOS/LAD '12)

124 LAD '13

129 LAD '14

129 LAD '15

111 LAD '16

 

The drop from '15 to '16 was 18 points.

The drop from '11 to '13 was 21 points.

 

He was still a good player for 3-4 years with LA, but he was not great and did not earn that salary, IMO.

 

When you consider the salary LA took on with AGon, CC and Beckett, minus the small payments we made to them, they got hosed.

 

At what point do we factor in that the best player the Sox got in return was James Loney?

[Bellhorn04]

At what point do we factor in that the best player the Sox got in return was James Loney?

 

They also got Jerry Sands, who was part of the trade for Brock Holt.

 

The best player they got was Benny Franklin, of course.

[mvp 78]

They also got Jerry Sands, who was part of the trade for Brock Holt.

 

The best player they got was Benny Franklin, of course.

 

If we look at years of control at the time of the trade, it would be Rubby De La Rosa. Loney was good the following season, but his contract was up after 2012.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

They also got Jerry Sands, who was part of the trade for Brock Holt.

 

The best player they got was Benny Franklin, of course.

 

... who led to the career year of Benny Cherington.

 

Ah, yes -- Benji... the mastermind behind the if-everything-breaks-just-right '13 Sox.

 

Definitely more of a factor than Loney Tones and Jerry Sands Talent.

[moonslav59]

At what point do we factor in that the best player the Sox got in return was James Loney?

 

The salary relief was tge big return:

Cuc

Napoli

Dempster

[Bellhorn04]

I think we can now safely say that the Sox were not really involved in the bidding war for Moto.

 

All those optimistic statements about us outbidding the Mets, Yankees and Dodgers?

 

Sorry folks, this ownership just isn't thinking like that any more.

[moonslav59]

I think we can now safely say that the Sox were not really involved in the bidding war for Moto.

 

All those optimistic statements about us outbidding the Mets, Yankees and Dodgers?

 

Sorry folks, this ownership just isn't thinking like that any more.

 

A little more than the "Price signing?"

 

Is that some sort of sick joke?

 

It's not even a half-hearted attempt at placating the fanbase. That sort of leak just fans the flames of discontent and exposes the fact that these guys are 8 years behind the times.

[Dipre]

I think we can now safely say that the Sox were not really involved in the bidding war for Moto.

 

All those optimistic statements about us outbidding the Mets, Yankees and Dodgers?

 

Sorry folks, this ownership just isn't thinking like that any more.

 

Your mind reading abilities are pretty amazing.

[Bellhorn04]

Your mind reading abilities are pretty amazing.

 

How am I mind reading? You thought the Sox were going all in on Moto. Isn't it pretty obvious they were not players at all?

[mvp 78]

Your mind reading abilities are pretty amazing.

 

They need to actually start proving the doubters wrong at some point.

[Dipre]

How am I mind reading? You thought the Sox were going all in on Moto. Isn't it pretty obvious they were not players at all?

 

I'm just f***ing with you.

[Dipre]

They need to actually start proving the doubters wrong at some point.

 

I don't think they will until this situation absolutely blows up in their face. It's the dominican way actually, don't fix it until it becomes a problem you can no longer ignore.

[mvp 78]

I don't think they will until this situation absolutely blows up in their face. It's the dominican way actually, don't fix it until it becomes a problem you can no longer ignore.

 

I think they are getting close to stumbling into a roaring fire. They generated a lot of goodwill, but really have a had some bad looks the past few years. I think Sox fans still want their owners to show them that they care as much as the fans do.