2023 Yankees off-season thread

[moonslav59]

They haven't actually made any other acquisitions yet, other than Kahnle.

 

Way, way, way less than the Sox have done.

[Bellhorn04]

Way, way, way less than the Sox have done.

 

We also had many more talent losses, and were 21 games worse than them in 2022, so let's not get too rosy about it.

[jacksonianmarch]

You’re right.

 

We are down Taillon from last year. Rodon would be a great add. Lefties in YS have a good track record due to Death Valley. The problem is, we need offense. We are status quo from last year except we are plus Bader. I’d rather hear we signed Correa than nab a pitcher. We’re set at the top 3 spots. Cole, Cortes and Sevy are a hell of a top 3. If Montas is truly healthy, that’s a great 1-4. German or Schmidt can handle 5-6 and we’ve got Warren in the wings as good MiLB depth. If they wanted to sign a #5 for short money, I’m game. Rodon would be a hell of a luxury. But we’ve got an all star who has foot problems in Lemahieu who is likely gonna have to be a half time starter. We have IKF who can’t hit his way out of a paper bag. We’ve got Donaldson who went from a bomber to a guy swinging a pool noodle. Right now, Hicks is slated for LF and he can’t hit either. Torres spent the first half looking like vintage Torres and spent the last half reminding us of what he’s become. Stanton was a shell of himself after his injury. Maybe he rebounds, maybe he doesn’t. Rizzo is mid 30s. So our lineup is Rizzo, Judge and ????. Bader was a nice add but he’s not typically a great hitter. We’ve got prospects and Cabrera who can all hit, but if you’re putting together a title team, you cannot rely on rookies to carry you. We need more.

[jacksonianmarch]

One thing I love is the Mets are loading up and saying FTW to the cap. This makes the Yanks look cheap in their own city. Hal may not have a choice but to go all in

[moonslav59]

We also had many more talent losses, and were 21 games worse than them in 2022, so let's not get too rosy about it.

 

No doubt!

 

We lost JBJ, Plawecki, Cordero, Davis, Diekman, Danish Sawamura and should see less to way less playing time from Dalbec, Duran and Brasier.

 

Kike and Story played 187 games, combined: we should see 300, next year. That 113 games is more than DJ will play or maybe Stanton, or...

[Bellhorn04]

No doubt!

 

We lost JBJ, Plawecki, Cordero, Davis, Diekman, Danish Sawamura and should see less to way less playing time from Dalbec, Duran and Brasier.

 

Kike and Story played 187 games, combined: we should see 300, next year.

 

Because injuries only happen last year, not next year LOL

 

Sorry man, I'm just so pessimistic right now. I admire those staying optimistic.

[jacksonianmarch]

No doubt!

 

We lost JBJ, Plawecki, Cordero, Davis, Diekman, Danish Sawamura and should see less to way less playing time from Dalbec, Duran and Brasier.

 

Kike and Story played 187 games, combined: we should see 300, next year. That 113 games is more than DJ will play or maybe Stanton, or...

 

Your team sucks and will suck for awhile. The comparisons are laughable.

[moonslav59]

Because injuries only happen last year, not next year LOL

 

Sorry man, I'm just so pessimistic right now. I admire those staying optimistic.

 

Forget the injuries, then.

 

Think: no more JBJ, Plawecki, Cordero, Diekman, Davis, Danish and Sawamura and a few even worse (it's over 200 IP, easily).

 

Think no or less from Bobby D and Duran.

 

I know these departures don't equal the losses of the 6-7 good players (Bogey, JD, Wacha, Hill, Nate, Strahm and Vaz), but we are talking about eliminating over 1500 bad PAs from 2022. That's less than Bogey, JD and Vaz. We're talking eliminating over 200 bad IP to about 400 good ones, but we added Jansen (50+), Martin (50+) and should see more from Bello and, gasp, Sale, too.

 

Choose to be positive.

[moonslav59]

Your team sucks and will suck for awhile. The comparisons are laughable.

 

Do you take joy in being wrong about the Sox, nearly every year?

[jacksonianmarch]

Do you take joy in being wrong about the Sox, nearly every year?

 

So you think the sox are gonna be better than last year without Eovaldi, JD and Bogey?

[moonslav59]

So you think the sox are gonna be better than last year without Eovaldi, JD and Bogey?

 

Hard to know, right now, last year's Nate and JD were not the guys you remember from 2018 and other selected recent years. JD had a .790 OPS after falling to .759 in mid September. Nate pitched well, but only started 20 games, so we are not needing to replace 30 game Nate.

 

Bogey and the Wacha results (not Wacha the current pitcher) will be harder to replace, and it won't be done with one or two player, if at all.

 

As it stands, now, I think we can come close to replacing JD's bat from what we have already (Dalbec-Hosmer platoon with Refsynder and Arroyo as possibilities.) That may be wishful thinking but they just may need to come close. The RBI total may not be hadr to duplicate or improve on.

 

I like our catching tandem, but I'm sure you see it as a step down.

 

SS is a big step down, even if we sign Andrus.

 

That's 2-3 slots down- one by a lot.

 

Now, 6 pluses:

CF: 140+ games by Kike

LF: Yoshida just needs to hit over .700 to be a plus over 2022. He may hit .800.

RF: Dugo/Ref platoon looks like .800. Their D is worse than JBJ- but we also had Duran and Cordero in the OF, too. (1,000+ PAs from JBJ, Cordero, Duran & Pham.)

If you don't see the OF as a significant upgrade, I may no longer trust anything you say.

 

1B should be a huge upgrade on D and at worst a decent one on O.

 

2B should improve with 145+ games from Story and maybe an uptick in production over '22- certainly reasonable.

 

3B should improve as Devers moves into peak prime.

 

It's going to come down to pitching, as always. Even subtracting Whitlock from the pen, it's improved and deeper.

 

The big if is the rotation and guys like Sale and Paxton, who I'm hoping can combine for 33 starts. Bello could work wonders, but he's still an unknown to a large extent. Pivetta is one of MLB's best 5th starter, and if we don't need him to be our #3, he can be a plus.

 

1. Sale/Paxton

2. Whitlock

3. ______

4. Bello

5. Pivetta (Crawford/Winckowski/Mata/Walter)

 

I hope we get a solid #2, but a guy like Kluber might fit the #3 slot well enough to not make the rotation a net minus. Granted, this may be wishful thinking.

 

We have $40M to spend to change some of the comps, and maybe even a big trade up our sleeves.

 

Let's talk again, in March.

 

[jacksonianmarch]

Yoshida is an unknown. I like the signing for the Sox, but he could end up as a total flop.

 

The idea that Dalbec and Hosmer would replace JD’s production is absolutely laughable. You know it and I know it. Hosmer is done. Bobby D has been figured out and he cannot adjust.

 

You don’t know if you’re gonna get a healthy Kike.

 

You put Sale and Paxton as your 1-2. They made a total of 2 starts last year and have a history recently of being on the shelf. That’s not a good start.

 

You are trying to avoid the obvious here. Sox sucked last year. Sox lost a ton of talent. Sox didn’t replace said talent. Sox will suck again

[moonslav59]

Yoshida is an unknown. I like the signing for the Sox, but he could end up as a total flop.

 

Yes, he could be, but the floor is higher than Duran, Pham, Cordero & JBJ.

 

The idea that Dalbec and Hosmer would replace JD’s production is absolutely laughable. You know it and I know it. Hosmer is done. Bobby D has been figured out and he cannot adjust.

 

You specifically said to compare to last year's team. It's no joke that JD's RBIs were horrible and his .790 OPS is approachable. BTW, I counted DH as one of the 3 drop offs. If we sign Gallo or Conforto, we'll be pushing Yoshia and Dugo to a lot of DH'ing, so now that minus looks closer to a plus.[/b

 

You don’t know if you’re gonna get a healthy Kike.

 

Odds are he does better than 2022. That's all I said. He's been more healthy than many Yankee players you are counting on.

 

You put Sale and Paxton as your 1-2. They made a total of 2 starts last year and have a history recently of being on the shelf. That’s not a good start.

 

No. I combined Sale and Paxton into one pitcher and "maybe 33 starts."

 

You are trying to avoid the obvious here. Sox sucked last year. Sox lost a ton of talent. Sox didn’t replace said talent. Sox will suck again.

 

We lost more deadwood PAs than good ones. We lost a lot of bad IP'd but more good ones. That's before any additions were and will be made.

 

When is the last time you've been right about the Sox? 2014?

 

You thought we'd suck in '21 and were better in '22.

[notin]

Yoshida is an unknown. I like the signing for the Sox, but he could end up as a total flop.

 

The idea that Dalbec and Hosmer would replace JD’s production is absolutely laughable. You know it and I know it. Hosmer is done. Bobby D has been figured out and he cannot adjust.

 

You don’t know if you’re gonna get a healthy Kike.

 

You put Sale and Paxton as your 1-2. They made a total of 2 starts last year and have a history recently of being on the shelf. That’s not a good start.

 

You are trying to avoid the obvious here. Sox sucked last year. Sox lost a ton of talent. Sox didn’t replace said talent. Sox will suck again

 

The Sox won 78 games last year while getting 7 IP from Sale and Paxton. They probably need to improve by 8 games minimum to make the postseason.

 

They’ve lost Bogaerts and JD as well. The current in-house replacements of Yoshida and Hosmer/Dalbec are not going to fill that void. I expect Yoshida will get back some. I have no faith in the others.

 

The bullpen should be greatly improved, which is nice. Probably not “8 more wins” nice. But it’s a step.

 

But as of right now, the biggest thing working for the Sox is it’s still only mid-December. While predicting the next moves has shown to be impossible, that does mean improvement is.

 

We really have no choice but to see how these next two months play out…

[a700hitter]

The Sox won 78 games last year while getting 7 IP from Sale and Paxton. They probably need to improve by 8 games minimum to make the postseason.

 

They’ve lost Bogaerts and JD as well. The current in-house replacements of Yoshida and Hosmer/Dalbec are not going to fill that void. I expect Yoshida will get back some. I have no faith in the others.

 

The bullpen should be greatly improved, which is nice. Probably not “8 more wins” nice. But it’s a step.

 

But as of right now, the biggest thing working for the Sox is it’s still only mid-December. While predicting the next moves has shown to be impossible, that does mean improvement is.

 

We really have no choice but to see how these next two months play out…

And we need to increase by 8 wins more than how many wins our rivals have improved. How many wins have the Yankees picked up, and the Jays and Rays?

[notin]

And we need to increase by 8 wins more than how many wins our rivals have improved. How many wins have the Yankees picked up, and the Jays and Rays?

 

With 3 wild cards, they can in theory get in while still trailing all those teams. But yes, they will need to pass someone.

 

Toronto is an interesting one. They’ve made some great move but also lost a massive bat and replaced him with a glove player

Edited December 13, 2022 by notin

[moonslav59]

And we need to increase by 8 wins more than how many wins our rivals have improved. How many wins have the Yankees picked up, and the Jays and Rays?

 

Not much, if not net negatives, so far:

 

TOR

+ Bassitt, Swanson & Kiermaier

- T. Hernandez, Stripling & Phelps

 

TBR

+ Eflin

- Kluber, Zunini, Kiermaier

 

NYY

+ Kahnle

- Taillon, Chapman, Britton, Gallo, M Castro

 

So far...

 

[jacksonianmarch]

Yanks are closing in on Rodon

 

4 yr $118 mil with player option for year 5 and mutual option for year 6.

[moonslav59]

Yanks are closing in on Rodon

 

4 yr $118 mil with player option for year 5 and mutual option for year 6.

 

I'm thrilled.

 

Say good bye to your budget in a couple or three years.

[Bellhorn04]

I'm thrilled.

 

Say good bye to your budget in a couple or three years.

 

Wishful thinking, moon.

[moonslav59]

Wishful thinking, moon.

 

The Yanks will not go to the levels of LAD, SDP and NYM, so these gross overpays and grossly long deal will bite them, someday. Maybe not 2-3 years, but it will, just like Cole, Stanton, DJ and Hicks and even their "great" pen arms, of late.

[Bellhorn04]

The Yanks will not go to the levels of LAD, SDP and NYM, so these gross overpays and grossly long deal will bite them, someday. Maybe not 2-3 years, but it will, just like Cole, Stanton, DJ and Hicks and even their "great" pen arms, of late.

 

Yes, but they absorb all those hits, and they make the playoffs virtually ever year. They haven't had a season under .500 since 1992.

 

(Thankfully we have done much better than them in the postseason this century.)

[moonslav59]

Yes, but they absorb all those hits, and they make the playoffs virtually ever year. They haven't had a season under .500 since 1992.

 

(Thankfully we have done much better than them in the postseason this century.)

 

Certainly not a bad thing. They do spend enough to be top 6 or7, but would you trade their last 2 decades for their records and achievements with ours?

 

My choice is super easy.

[Bellhorn04]

Certainly not a bad thing. They do spend enough to be top 6 or7, but would you trade their last 2 decades for their records and achievements with ours?

 

My choice is super easy.

 

Mine is too, but only because of the rings. And I chalk a lot of that up to good fortune (which is not the same as luck).

[moonslav59]

Mine is too, but only because of the rings. And I chalk a lot of that up to good fortune (which is not the same as luck).

 

I think the 2013 ring was fortunate. The others were examples of us building up to a point of being a top 2-3 contender and then adding a strategic piece or two to get us over the top.

 

The Yanks get to the top 2-3 status, more often, but fail to pull the trigger and increase their odds. The 2018 team was not fortunate. Not only were we tops, we went and got Nate & Pearce. The comeback vs the Yanks in 2004 could be viewed as fortunate, but the 2003 loss kinda balanced that out.

 

2007 was won by getting Beckett and a few other key pieces (some at the deadline) and not sitting on our hands, like Cashman does when real close.

 

[jacksonianmarch]

I think the 2013 ring was fortunate. The others were examples of us building up to a point of being a top 2-3 contender and then adding a strategic piece or two to get us over the top.

 

The Yanks get to the top 2-3 status, more often, but fail to pull the trigger and increase their odds. The 2018 team was not fortunate. Not only were we tops, we went and got Nate & Pearce. The comeback vs the Yanks in 2004 could be viewed as fortunate, but the 2003 loss kinda balanced that out.

 

2007 was won by getting Beckett and a few other key pieces (some at the deadline) and not sitting on our hands, like Cashman does when real close.

 

 

Sox have been willing in the past to go all in and it paid off. Yanks never go all in anymore. We used to

[moonslav59]

Sox have been willing in the past to go all in and it paid off. Yanks never go all in anymore. We used to

 

The Sox seem to "cycle" into all-ins. 2013 was the exception, but they did make a deadline moves that helped (Peavy).

[moonslav59]

Newsflash!

 

Yanks sign Scott... errr...I mean James Norwood, instead of Rodon.

[jacksonianmarch]

There was a report that Rodon had agreed. Clearly it was mistaken.

[iortiz]

Rodon to NY.