May 30th Orioles & Red Sox

[moonslav59]

Mookie hasn’t been replaced, and it will be hard to replace Bogey, JD, and Raffy if it comes to that too. Do you think the majority of Red Sox fans are going to accept that?

 

If you wont pay Mookie, how do you replace him, if you won't pay the next guy Mookie money of keep the farm improving?

 

Tell us your idea. It's easy to point at ideas that are not working, but tell us yours.

 

Saying we need to cut our blown saves in half is not a plan.

 

Should we have signed R Iglesias, instead of Story?

 

People swore signing Suzuki instead of Story was the solution. Now, cricketts.

 

[Old Red]

If you wont pay Mookie, how do you replace him, if you won't pay the next guy Mookie money of keep the farm improving?

 

Tell us your idea. It's easy to point at ideas that are not working, but tell us yours.

 

Saying we need to cut our blown saves in half is not a plan.

 

Should we have signed R Iglesias, instead of Story?

 

People swore signing Suzuki instead of Story was the solution. Now, cricketts.

 

 

Making Whitlock the closer on opening day was the plan, and I believe 100% if that would have happened the Red Sox would have a better record right now. I never would have paid Mookie for two reasons, which has been gone over many times that he didn’t want to stay, and I don’t think anyone is worth that kind of money for that length of time. I’m just saying that how hard it is to replace that kind of talent?

[JDavis76]

Making Whitlock the closer on opening day was the plan, and I believe 100% if that would have happened the Red Sox would have a better record right now. I never would have paid Mookie for two reasons, which has been gone over many times that he didn’t want to stay, and I don’t think anyone is worth that kind of money for that length of time. I’m just saying that how hard it is to replace that kind of talent?

 

That would really depend on the performance of whitlock's replacement in the rotation.

[Old Red]

This has nothing to do with the question at hand.

 

I know many Sox fans are not Bloom supporters. I still talk to a lot of my friends in Maine, and go there for 4-7 weeks every summer.

 

So, since you won't answer my question, can I assume you'd trade the farm away like DD for a 1-2 year window. Remember, it's Henry who decides how much we spend, but you act like it's Bloom.

 

Bloom got us Story, an all around player to replace Fred Flintstone. He got us Wacha and Hill to replace Richards and Perez. He got us Strahm and Diekman to replace Ottavino and Andriese, and we are worse than last year. You and all the talk show callers can bash away at Bloom all you want, it doesn't change my opinion, and my idea of what a good long term plan for sustained winning looks like.

 

Just because DD's trades all look good in hindsight, doesn't mean the guys we trade, now will suck like most of DD's ended up doing.

 

There was a time talk show callers were wanting to trade the stars we have now, when they were "valueless" prospects.

 

There is a time to go for broke, and a time not to. Blame who you wish. I'm not blaming Bloom, Cora or last of all Henry, but your beef should be with Henry more than Bloom

 

You always want your questions answered when all I’m doing is offering an opinion just like everyone else. How is keeping Bogey, and Raffy trading away the farm? When did I say that I would trade away the farm for anyone? I don’t get that DD traded away the farm either away from here, and that is why I like to go to many different sources, and not just here. A first I heard only on here too that Bloom got Story to replace Schwarber. Interesting take. I’ve made it very clear that I don’t trust Bloom to put a good Red Sox team on the field especially if they loose all the guys on the last year of contracts, and Raffy, and I’m far from being alone especially away from here. What works for the Tampa fan base won’t work in Boston. I’m very well aware who has the checkbook, but Bloom, and Cora are not without blame.

[Old Red]

That would really depend on the performance of whitlock's replacement in the rotation.

 

How many games did Whitlock start in the blown saves in the 8th, and 9th inning games?

[JDavis76]

How many games did Whitlock start in the blown saves in the 8th, and 9th inning games?

 

I have no idea, sounds like a job for moonslav

[moonslav59]

I have no idea, sounds like a job for moonslav

 

Look it up yourselves.

[Old Red]

I have no idea, sounds like a job for moonslav

 

I don’t think Whitlock started all those games, but Whitlock’s replacement in the rotation seems to be the standard answer.

[moonslav59]

You always want your questions answered when all I’m doing is offering an opinion just like everyone else. How is keeping Bogey, and Raffy trading away the farm? When did I say that I would trade away the farm for anyone? I don’t get that DD traded away the farm either away from here, and that is why I like to go to many different sources, and not just here. A first I heard only on here too that Bloom got Story to replace Schwarber. Interesting take. I’ve made it very clear that I don’t trust Bloom to put a good Red Sox team on the field especially if they loose all the guys on the last year of contracts, and Raffy, and I’m far from being alone especially away from here. What works for the Tampa fan base won’t work in Boston. I’m very well aware who has the checkbook, but Bloom, and Cora are not without blame.

 

You never give your idea on a plan.

 

You have repeatedly said (in so many words) prospects are not to be valued.

 

You leave is guessing what you mean, because you won't say it.

[JDavis76]

Look it up yourselves.

 

Doesn't really interest me all that much.

[moonslav59]

Doesn't really interest me all that much.

 

Me neither.

 

We've blown a bunch of saves. Our pen kept us in many games, early in the season, when the starters were struggling, and the bats were silent.

 

I doubt having Houck or Whitlock closing would have made a huge impact, but who knows?

 

The offense killed us early. The pen killed us in the middle, and now it's something different every loss.

 

We're back to Devers throwing the ball away, and the bats sleeping.

[Old Red]

You never give your idea on a plan.

 

You have repeatedly said (in so many words) prospects are not to be valued.

 

You leave is guessing what you mean, because you won't say it.

 

You should finish the sentence in so many words when you try to repeat what I say. Prospects are useless until they produce in a Red Sox uniform, or traded for someone who does. Sound familiar? Little bit different then how you tried to explain it.

[Old Red]

Me neither.

 

We've blown a bunch of saves. Our pen kept us in many games, early in the season, when the starters were struggling, and the bats were silent.

 

I doubt having Houck or Whitlock closing would have made a huge impact, but who knows?

 

The offense killed us early. The pen killed us in the middle, and now it's something different every loss.

 

We're back to Devers throwing the ball away, and the bats sleeping.

 

So leading the league in blown saves, and never trying Whitlock as the closer, or even Houck for that matter to you wouldn’t have made a huge impact? You don’t think either one is any good. I do, and I think Whitlock would have made a huge impact, and I blame Cora, and Bloom for that not happening.

[Old Red]

Doesn't really interest me all that much.

 

It would if the stats helped your opinion.

[moonslav59]

So leading the league in blown saves, and never trying Whitlock as the closer, or even Houck for that matter to you wouldn’t have made a huge impact? You don’t think either one is any good. I do, and I think Whitlock would have made a huge impact, and I blame Cora, and Bloom for that not happening.

 

No, I don't think a "huge" impact, because you have to subtract what either gave us in their other role. Who starts, instead of Whitlock? Crawford?

 

Is it a slam dunk Whitlock cuts the blown saves in half? Let's say he does, and takes away 6 of our 12 blown saves, which is not likely, since many of those blown saves were before the 9th inning, so how does he save those games, if he's the traditional 9th inning closer?

 

Let's say we lose only 1 more with him not starting. We gain what? 5 games at the very most?

 

I guess that would be a big impact, but I'm not sure "huge." We'd be luck to be at .500.

[moonslav59]

You should finish the sentence in so many words when you try to repeat what I say. Prospects are useless until they produce in a Red Sox uniform, or traded for someone who does. Sound familiar? Little bit different then how you tried to explain it.

 

Sounds like I worded it correctly. Since none have produced, yet, they are useless. What am I missing?

 

Your disdain for prospects is obvious, and you just showed it again.

 

Again, no plan. You have no plan, or want to keep it a secret.

 

A no plan GM is just what we need. Fire Bloom. Hire Red!

[Old Red]

Sounds like I worded it correctly. Since none have produced, yet, they are useless. What am I missing?

 

Your disdain for prospects is obvious, and you just showed it again.

 

Again, no plan. You have no plan, or want to keep it a secret.

 

A no plan GM is just what we need. Fire Bloom. Hire Red!

Well how are the prospects useful playing in Worcester, or Portland, or the other two. Are their stats counting for the Red Sox, and helping them win games? I don’t know how that’s so hard to understand. Did any of the farm boys hit a HR tonight that helped them beat the Reds? If they did I must have missed it. I don’t have any disdain for prospects they are what they are minor leaguers, but for some reason you think they are more than that. I never said I had a plan, but I do have opinions like everyone else. Not everyone who calls a talk show has a plan, but do make opinions, not every sports writer has a plan, but they all have opinions, and not all people who visit forums like this have a plan, but they all offer opinions. How many armchair QB’s could be a QB, but do offer opinions?

Edited June 1, 2022 by Old Red

[Tedballgame]

Losing 4 of 6 at home to Baltimore and Cincinnati is disgraceful! Fire Bloom now!

[Oscars]

Putrid performance, and horrible stretch losing 4 of 6 to the cellar dwellers .

If you can’t beat the dregs of baseball, how are going to go against the Yankees, rays and jays ?!

[moonslav59]

Putrid performance, and horrible stretch losing 4 of 6 to the cellar dwellers .

If you can’t beat the dregs of baseball, how are going to go against the Yankees, rays and jays ?!

 

Knowing this team, maybe pretty well. They are master confounders.

[moonslav59]

Well how are the prospects useful playing in Worcester, or Portland, or the other two. Are their stats counting for the Red Sox, and helping them win games? I don’t know how that’s so hard to understand. Did any of the farm boys hit a HR tonight that helped them beat the Reds? If they did I must have missed it. I don’t have any disdain for prospects they are what they are minor leaguers, but for some reason you think they are more than that. I never said I had a plan, but I do have opinions like everyone else. Not everyone who calls a talk show has a plan, but do make opinions, not every sports writer has a plan, but they all have opinions, and not all people who visit forums like this have a plan, but they all offer opinions. How many armchair QB’s could be a QB, but do offer opinions?

 

Will you get off your talk show rant.

 

Fine. Don't give a plan. Just keep bashing away at everyone else's.

 

Don't pay big for guys like Betts and Devers, but don't waste their years with us. Without telling us a possible solution or plan/idea, your continuous bashing rings hollow.

 

Your vague statements about getting pitching for Betts, not doing this or that is not a plan or a better idea.

[moonslav59]

Well how are the prospects useful playing in Worcester, or Portland, or the other two. Are their stats counting for the Red Sox, and helping them win games?

 

What's hard to understand about the farm being the future, and someday that future will be today.

 

The Betts, Devers, Bogey stars you cling to, were the prospects of yesterday. The ones not traded away. The ones that gave us low cost massive production and a ring in 2018.

 

Of course no "farm boy hit a HR" for us, tonight. Nobody is saying they did.

 

It's obvious you have disdain for prospects. You have exposed your disdain over and over.

 

How do I think minor leaguers are "more than that?" They have future value. Some will not make it, some will. The more you have the better the odds. The better you have, the better the odds. It's no sure bet, no matter what, but increasing your odds for success is what baseball is all about- at all levels, not just the bigs.

 

A GM has to weight the here and now vs the future. A good GM tries to balance them and improve the odds in all areas at once. It's not easy.

 

Again, you don't have to have a plan or even any ideas, and listening to talk show opinions all day long may be what brings you enjoyment as you join together in nonconstructive and hollow criticism. Carry on. I'll stay tuned out of that circle jerk.

[Old Red]

What's hard to understand about the farm being the future, and someday that future will be today.

 

The Betts, Devers, Bogey stars you cling to, were the prospects of yesterday. The ones not traded away. The ones that gave us low cost massive production and a ring in 2018.

 

Of course no "farm boy hit a HR" for us, tonight. Nobody is saying they did.

 

It's obvious you have disdain for prospects. You have exposed your disdain over and over.

 

How do I think minor leaguers are "more than that?" They have future value. Some will not make it, some will. The more you have the better the odds. The better you have, the better the odds. It's no sure bet, no matter what, but increasing your odds for success is what baseball is all about- at all levels, not just the bigs.

 

A GM has to weight the here and now vs the future. A good GM tries to balance them and improve the odds in all areas at once. It's not easy.

 

Again, you don't have to have a plan or even any ideas, and listening to talk show opinions all day long may be what brings you enjoyment as you join together in nonconstructive and hollow criticism. Carry on. I'll stay tuned out of that circle jerk.

 

I fully understand that the farm is part of the future, and I fully understand that pretty much everyone has come from the farm at one point, and time, so all along my point has been that they don’t count until they get in a Red Sox uniform and produce, so that to you is disdain, but it’s funny I don’t hear that anywhere else when I voice that opinion. I guess we hang around different water coolers. I look at the Red Sox minor league box scores every night, and last night I noticed Bloom’s great prospect Jeter Downs was 0-4 with 4 K’s, which I believe Jeter is hovering around 200, and leads the team in K’s. No I don’t have a plan, and I haven’t been asked for one anywhere else. I do listen, and watch many other sports venues, and I like to broaden my horizons, which I guess you don’t, but I know they have many different opinions than yours, and because they do does in no means make it nonconstructive, and hollow criticism. How nice of you to judge other people, and their opinions. I love it when a plan comes together.

[moonslav59]

I fully understand that the farm is part of the future, and I fully understand that pretty much everyone has come from the farm at one point, and time, so all along my point has been that they don’t count until they get in a Red Sox uniform and produce, so that to you is disdain, but it’s funny I don’t hear that anywhere else when I voice that opinion. I guess we hang around different water coolers. I look at the Red Sox minor league box scores every night, and last night I noticed Bloom’s great prospect Jeter Downs was 0-4 with 4 K’s, which I believe Jeter is hovering around 200, and leads the team in K’s. No I don’t have a plan, and I haven’t been asked for one anywhere else. I do listen, and watch many other sports venues, and I like to broaden my horizons, which I guess you don’t, but I know they have many different opinions than yours, and because they do does in no means make it nonconstructive, and hollow criticism. How nice of you to judge other people, and their opinions. I love it when a plan comes together.

 

So, it's all about majority of talk show callers and water cooler banter?

 

I call it disdain for prospects. Even now, you single out Downs. It's obvious. It's my opinion. I'm glad you have the support of all the others, and nobody ever criticizes your opinions at the coolers. King Cooler should be your nickname.

 

IMO, when you criticize everything, even contradictory positions without adding any ideas, it's hollow.

[Old Red]

So, it's all about majority of talk show callers and water cooler banter?

 

I call it disdain for prospects. Even now, you single out Downs. It's obvious. It's my opinion. I'm glad you have the support of all the others, and nobody ever criticizes your opinions at the coolers. King Cooler should be your nickname.

 

IMO, when you criticize everything, even contradictory positions without adding any ideas, it's hollow.

I’ll give you a E for effort, because no matter how many times you analyze something wrong you keep on trying. Even IF I had disdain for prospects there is NOTHING WRONG with that. I singled out Downs not, because of Downs, but because of Bloom’s bad judgement in trading for him. You still can’t explain why you think your opinions are better, and are so constructive, and are not hollow like all the others that disagree with you on other venues. I’d prefer to be called the DISDAINER. I don’t mind one bit being in the minority, but you seem to have a big problem with it. Of course you would have to realize you were first, and you don’t get that staying in this forum cocoon.

[moonslav59]

I’ll give you a E for effort, because no matter how many times you analyze something wrong you keep on trying. Even IF I had disdain for prospects there is NOTHING WRONG with that. I singled out Downs not, because of Downs, but because of Bloom’s bad judgement in trading for him. You still can’t explain why you think your opinions are better, and are so constructive, and are not hollow like all the others that disagree with you on other venues. I’d prefer to be called the DISDAINER. I don’t mind one bit being in the minority, but you seem to have a big problem with it. Of course you would have to realize you were first, and you don’t get that staying in this forum cocoon.

 

I've never said my opinions, ideas or plans are better than others, but at least I offer my ideas and possible alternative plans, whether I like them or not, instead of bashing anything and everything like you and others do, often in hindsight, but not always.

 

I have no problem with- my or your opinions being in the minority. I don't even care about that like you seem to do. I could care less what the majority of talk show callers are saying about Bloom. Are they supposed to represent the majority of Sox fans, and does the majority really know what may or may not be right for the success of the Sox- both now and in the long term? Sure, it might matter for the amount of season ticket purchases, to some degree, I guess.

 

I also said I'm fine with you not having or stating a plan, only that your criticisms ring hollow to me, when you do that. I could care less if it rings hollow to others. You seem to have Swi and a bunch of trolls on your side, so good for you! Enjoy your fame.

 

It's my opinion that statements like "cut our blown saves in half," and making claims about how many more wins we'd have by moving Whitlock to closer without addressing who takes Whitlocks role, and how many losses that may lead to rings hollow, because it is hollow.

 

You want us to magically better support our stars with solid teammates, but not to pay anyone large and long, while at the same time wishing we'd give Duran, a guy you think will fail in the igs, a shot at playing more. That's about the extent of your ideas- scattered, contradictory and aimless- kinda like hollow.

[Old Red]

I've never said my opinions, ideas or plans are better than others, but at least I offer my ideas and possible alternative plans, whether I like them or not, instead of bashing anything and everything like you and others do, often in hindsight, but not always.

 

I have no problem with- my or your opinions being in the minority. I don't even care about that like you seem to do. I could care less what the majority of talk show callers are saying about Bloom. Are they supposed to represent the majority of Sox fans, and does the majority really know what may or may not be right for the success of the Sox- both now and in the long term? Sure, it might matter for the amount of season ticket purchases, to some degree, I guess.

 

I also said I'm fine with you not having or stating a plan, only that your criticisms ring hollow to me, when you do that. I could care less if it rings hollow to others. You seem to have Swi and a bunch of trolls on your side, so good for you! Enjoy your fame.

 

It's my opinion that statements like "cut our blown saves in half," and making claims about how many more wins we'd have by moving Whitlock to closer without addressing who takes Whitlocks role, and how many losses that may lead to rings hollow, because it is hollow.

 

You want us to magically better support our stars with solid teammates, but not to pay anyone large and long, while at the same time wishing we'd give Duran, a guy you think will fail in the igs, a shot at playing more. That's about the extent of your ideas- scattered, contradictory and aimless- kinda like hollow.

 

Moon all I can say that after all this the Sea Dog Biscuit offer still stands.

[moonslav59]

Moon all I can say that after all this the Sea Dog Biscuit offer still stands.

 

Is that a plan?

 

LOL

[Old Red]

Is that a plan?

 

LOL

 

That’s a plan.