2022 Bullpen Thread

[Bellhorn04]

That's great, I can throw a change-up as well. That doesn't mean it's effective.

 

If he's healthy, why would his change-up now be a big issue? Please explain.

[JDavis76]

If he's healthy, why would his change-up now be a big issue? Please explain.

 

If there was no question about it after TJS, then why would one have to "think it will return"?

[Bellhorn04]

If there was no question about it after TJS, then why would one have to "think it will return"?

 

I don't know, you're the expert, does a change-up tend to be a casualty of TJS?

[Larry Cook]

Maybe the disillusioned medical guy who roots for the Yankees can obtain some insight from his colleagues about Tommy John recovery.

 

Ps: I know that the definition of a Yankees fan means that he is socially inept and seriously lacking in personal hygiene causing colleagues to avoid him like the plague, so no need for anybody here to bring it up and discourage him from trying!

[moonslav59]

And you've come to this conclusion after catching his rehab assignment?

 

When someone uses the word "think" it means it's an opinion.

 

That's your free reading comp lesson for the day.

[JDavis76]

I don't know, you're the expert, does a change-up tend to be a casualty of TJS?

 

I'm certainly no expert on the subject, nor did I claim to be.

[JDavis76]

When someone uses the word "think" it means it's an opinion.

 

That's your free reading comp lesson for the day.

Understood, and that's why I asked if you came to this conclusion based on you catching him during his rehab assignment.

 

That's your free reading comp for the day.

[moonslav59]

Agreed, and that's why one should say "I hope his change-up will return". "I think" implies that there is some knowledge, while we all know it is just wishful thinking.

 

There is some knowledge involved in thinking, yes. You are finally catching on.

[moonslav59]

Understood, and that's why I asked if you came to this conclusion based on you catching him during his rehab assignment.

 

That's your free reading comp for the day.

 

Like catching Sale in one rehab assignment is the only way to obtain knowledge or make an educated guess on what you think will happen?

 

Back to the drawing board for you.

 

One basis for thinking Sale will regain his change-up effectiveness is because that is not normally the type of pitch that is lost or minimized by having TJS. Usually, it is velocity or the ability to obtain the same sharp breaks on your sliders or breaking balls and not the pitches where you take something off a pitch.

 

One can form opinions based on history and probabilities and not anything specific like having to be behind the plate to have a thought to think.

 

Get it?

 

I doubt it.

[moonslav59]

I don't know, you're the expert, does a change-up tend to be a casualty of TJS?

 

Exactly. And forming an opinion based on the history of pitchers recovering from TJS should be enough to say "I think..."

[JDavis76]

Like catching Sale in one rehab assignment is the only way to obtain knowledge or make an educated guess on what you think will happen?

 

Back to the drawing board for you.

 

One basis for thinking Sale will regain his change-up effectiveness is because that is not normally the type of pitch that is lost or minimized by having TJS. Usually, it is velocity or the ability to obtain the same sharp breaks on your sliders or breaking balls and not the pitches where you take something off a pitch.

 

One can form opinions based on history and probabilities and not anything specific like having to be behind the plate to have a thought to think.

 

Get it?

 

I doubt it.

 

I never stated that catching his rehab was the only way. I see reading comprehension is not your forte......

[moonslav59]

I never stated that catching his rehab was the only way. I see reading comprehension is not your forte......

 

I never said you said it was the only way. We could keep this up forever, and that seems to be what you like doing, so it's time for me to stop talking to a troll.

 

Bye, bye, troll.

 

On ignore you go.

[JDavis76]

I never said you said it was the only way. We could keep this up forever, and that seems to be what you like doing, so it's time for me to stop talking to a troll.

 

Bye, bye, troll.

 

On ignore you go.

 

Ah, but he's ok with his own trolling. Hypocrite.

[Maxbialystock]

Agreed, and that's why one should say "I hope his change-up will return". "I think" implies that there is some knowledge, while we all know it is just wishful thinking.

 

"I think" is still an opinion. In this case, it's based on Sale's track record, which is compelling. I'm less hopeful than moonslav, but we both emphatically agree on Chris Sale's professionalism.

 

The Sox are paying Chris Sale a lot of money to contribute to a team that is shaping up to be better than the bottom feeders they were in May. So it really doesn't make much sense not to insist he can't contribute.

 

Also, Bellhorn read the same thing I've read--Sale has been throwing his changeup. It is not loooosssstttt iiiinnnnn spaaaaaace.

[moonslav59]

"I think" is still an opinion. In this case, it's based on Sale's track record, which is compelling. I'm less hopeful than moonslav, but we both emphatically agree on Chris Sale's professionalism.

 

The Sox are paying Chris Sale a lot of money to contribute to a team that is shaping up to be better than the bottom feeders they were in May. So it really doesn't make much sense not to insist he can't contribute.

 

Also, Bellhorn read the same thing I've read--Sale has been throwing his changeup. It is not loooosssstttt iiiinnnnn spaaaaaace.

 

I would guess the change up is the last pitch most pitchers "lose," and when they do lose it, it's more as a result of their other pitches not being as good as they once were, so the change-up is not as effective due to it not being as radically different from their other once productive pitches.

 

(Note: this is just conjecture and not a statement of fact. Warning- Warning-Warning. Trolling may follow.)

[JDavis76]

"I think" is still an opinion. In this case, it's based on Sale's track record, which is compelling. I'm less hopeful than moonslav, but we both emphatically agree on Chris Sale's professionalism.

 

The Sox are paying Chris Sale a lot of money to contribute to a team that is shaping up to be better than the bottom feeders they were in May. So it really doesn't make much sense not to insist he can't contribute.

 

Also, Bellhorn read the same thing I've read--Sale has been throwing his changeup. It is not loooosssstttt iiiinnnnn spaaaaaace.

 

I didn't say it was lost.

[Kimmi]

Agreed. It takes courage to refuse to be coerced and bullied into doing something that you have serious reservations about. There are many examples of athletes missing games for various personal reasons. I hope these guys have the support of Cora , their teammates and Sox management.

 

I am hoping that Cora and the team leaders are stressing the importance of not ostracizing the unvaccinated players in any way. The last thing we need is for this to become a clubhouse issue.

[Bellhorn04]

I am hoping that Cora and the team leaders are stressing the importance of not ostracizing the unvaccinated players in any way. The last thing we need is for this to become a clubhouse issue.

 

I can almost guarantee Cora is doing the best he can in that department.

[Kimmi]

I can almost guarantee Cora is doing the best he can in that department.

 

Agreed.

[a700hitter]

I can almost guarantee Cora is doing the best he can in that department.

From what I hear reported, the team has no problem in this regard and that a number of other players were vaccinated only recently. I think many are sympathetic with these players.

 

Edit: I think the clubhouse is united in thinking Canada is imposing a stupid rule.

[Bellhorn04]

From what I hear reported, the team has no problem in this regard and that a number of other players were vaccinated only recently. I think many are sympathetic with these players.

 

Edit: I think the clubhouse is united in thinking Canada is imposing a stupid rule.

 

I'm with you.

 

But Shaughnessy and the people who commented on his article are really laying it on the unvaccinated.

[jgar658]

From what I hear reported, the team has no problem in this regard and that a number of other players were vaccinated only recently. I think many are sympathetic with these players.

 

Edit: I think the clubhouse is united in thinking Canada is imposing a stupid rule.

 

Fauci who is quadruple vaxed could have gotten into Canada before he turned Covid positive. Vacccinated and non vaccinated people can get infected. It is best to require a neg Covid test within 24 hours before entering Canada. That would make much more sense.

[moonslav59]

Fauci who is quadruple vaxed could have gotten into Canada before he turned Covid positive. Vacccinated and non vaccinated people can get infected. It is best to require a neg Covid test within 24 hours before entering Canada. That would make much more sense.

 

Proof of recent negative tests are enough for many other venues and were for public travel. I would not be surprised to see the rule changed, soon.

 

Canada is not the only country with rules like this. Some are more strict.

[notin]

Proof of recent negative tests are enough for many other venues and were for public travel. I would not be surprised to see the rule changed, soon.

 

Canada is not the only country with rules like this. Some are more strict.

 

The problem with negative test results is they only prove you didn’t have COVID, not that you don’t have COVID..

[moonslav59]

The problem with negative test results is they only prove you didn’t have COVID, not that you don’t have COVID..

 

Well, vaccines don’t prove you don’t have it either.

[Maxbialystock]

I am hoping that Cora and the team leaders are stressing the importance of not ostracizing the unvaccinated players in any way. The last thing we need is for this to become a clubhouse issue.

 

I am ostracizing the heck out of them, but I agree with you. What's done is done, and the team needs to move on.

[Maxbialystock]

Fauci who is quadruple vaxed could have gotten into Canada before he turned Covid positive. Vacccinated and non vaccinated people can get infected. It is best to require a neg Covid test within 24 hours before entering Canada. That would make much more sense.

 

Agree. But Canada is pushing vaccinations, which are a good idea overall. As are masks. I have the 4 shots, but I rely more on my KN95 mask, some distancing, and minimizing my time inside public venues.

[JDavis76]

Agree. But Canada is pushing vaccinations, which are a good idea overall. As are masks. I have the 4 shots, but I rely more on my KN95 mask, some distancing, and minimizing my time inside public venues.

 

I am not vaxxed, never wear a mask, don't social distance and am out in the crowds every weekend. Never had even a sniffle, much less covid.

[Bellhorn04]

Yankees DFA Manny Banuelos. Any interest?

[JDavis76]

Yankees DFA Manny Banuelos. Any interest?

I think JP Sears certainly deserves a spot, especially with so many Yankee starters on presumed innings limits. Just surprised that it came at the expense of Banuelos. He definitely would be worth a shot for any team looking for left handed relief help