Will there be a 2022 season?

[mvp 78]

@MLBPA_News

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:

Players launching $1 million fund for workers affected by MLB owners’ lockout

 

Now if only BOTH SIDES worked on helping the people that rely on work at the stadiums.

[moonslav59]

The Rays have found a way to not have to spend. Maybe these owners should work on that model. The A's have been competitive for a long time too without spending.

 

I totally agree, but ask some Sox fans to accept Henry's tightening purse strings, and they'll bite your head off.

[moonslav59]

 

Now if only BOTH SIDES worked on helping the people that rely on work at the stadiums.

 

100%

[Bellhorn04]

I totally agree, but ask some Sox fans to accept Henry's tightening purse strings, and they'll bite your head off.

 

What people should be looking at is the % of revenue put back into payroll. The Red Sox have usually had one of the highest %s, I think.

 

Henry has been pretty ethical in that regard, IMO. It's smart, too. He knows his fanbase.

[moonslav59]

What people should be looking is the % of revenue put back into payroll. The Red Sox have usually had one of the highest %s, I think.

 

Yes, and maybe this could be something brought to the table, as in, increasing some teams' abysmal percentages.

[jad]

@MLBPA_News

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:

Players launching $1 million fund for workers affected by MLB owners’ lockout

 

Now if only BOTH SIDES worked on helping the people that rely on work at the stadiums.

 

I'm pretty sure the owners have already calculated the financial consequences of missing April. Not paying workers is on the plus side of the ledger, just like not paying players is.

[Bellhorn04]

I'm pretty sure the owners have already calculated the financial consequences of missing April. Not paying workers is on the plus side of the ledger, just like not paying players is.

 

The owners will lose money too, but as everyone says, they can much more easily afford it than everyone else.

[mvp 78]

I totally agree, but ask some Sox fans to accept Henry's tightening purse strings, and they'll bite your head off.

 

Sox spend and are successful. Angels spend and don't get much out of it. Big difference. Angels need to rethink their horrible organization (29th farm system out of 30).

 

Also, Henry isn't out here saying to lower the luxury tax. Big difference.

[mvp 78]

What people should be looking at is the % of revenue put back into payroll. The Red Sox have usually had one of the highest %s, I think.

 

Henry has been pretty ethical in that regard, IMO. It's smart, too. He knows his fanbase.

 

I don't know. Sox get an extraordinary amount of revenue. They may be pocketing more than most other franchises. Hard to say since we don't really see their books.

[Bellhorn04]

I don't know. Sox get an extraordinary amount of revenue. They may be pocketing more than most other franchises. Hard to say since we don't really see their books.

 

Yeah, all I really look at is the Forbes Business of Baseball numbers.

 

As for not seeing their books, don't you think the gross revenues can be estimated fairly accurately?

[moonslav59]

Sox spend and are successful. Angels spend and don't get much out of it. Big difference. Angels need to rethink their horrible organization (29th farm system out of 30).

 

Also, Henry isn't out here saying to lower the luxury tax. Big difference.

 

I'm not disagreeing with your point about the Angels. They have spent poorly, drafted poorly and just about done everything worse than almost all other teams, except spending.

 

Since the Henry era began, here are the rankings of the Angels and Sox in player budgets: (starting in 2003)

 

Sox/Angels

6/12

2/3

2/5

2/3

2/4

4/6

4/6

2/8

3/4

3/4

4/7

3/6

3/7

3/7

3/11

1/6

1/9

3/11

3/4

 

While the Angels and Sox have been close, in spending, for a long time, the Angels have never outspent the Sox in the Henry era, and except for 2021, the gap was widening for several years.

 

They have to be viewed as the worst managed team in the last 2 decades.

[moonslav59]

I don't know. Sox get an extraordinary amount of revenue. They may be pocketing more than most other franchises. Hard to say since we don't really see their books.

 

...and what counts as revenue?

 

So many teams have spin-offs businesses tied to the team, but not part of the revenue.

 

Cable TV, concessions, merchandise, and more.

[Bellhorn04]

...and what counts as revenue?

 

So many teams have spin-offs businesses tied to the team, but not part of the revenue.

 

Cable TV, concessions, merchandise, and more.

 

Right, but I don't think there's much in the way of secret money no one knows about...

[moonslav59]

Right, but I don't think there's much in the way of secret money no one knows about...

 

Exact numbers might be hard to know, but yes, close estimates can be deduced. (Has anyone done this for each team?)

 

These guys are rolling in money.

 

Then, after making millions, they can sell the team for enormous gains.

[Bellhorn04]

@MLBPA_News

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:

Players launching $1 million fund for workers affected by MLB owners’ lockout

 

Now if only BOTH SIDES worked on helping the people that rely on work at the stadiums.

 

Yeah, this might be a pretty good illustration of billionaire owners being more greedy and stingy than millionaire players.

[Bellhorn04]

Exact numbers might be hard to know, but yes, close estimates can be deduced. (Has anyone done this for each team?)

 

These guys are rolling in money.

 

Then, after making millions, they can sell the team for enormous gains.

 

Forbes does a report on it every year. The one for 2021 should be out some time this month.

[mvp 78]

I'm not disagreeing with your point about the Angels. They have spent poorly, drafted poorly and just about done everything worse than almost all other teams, except spending.

 

Since the Henry era began, here are the rankings of the Angels and Sox in player budgets: (starting in 2003)

 

Sox/Angels

6/12

2/3

2/5

2/3

2/4

4/6

4/6

2/8

3/4

3/4

4/7

3/6

3/7

3/7

3/11

1/6

1/9

3/11

3/4

 

While the Angels and Sox have been close, in spending, for a long time, the Angels have never outspent the Sox in the Henry era, and except for 2021, the gap was widening for several years.

 

They have to be viewed as the worst managed team in the last 2 decades.

 

That's why I said they should go back to the drawing board. He spends his money poorly and then tells other people how to spend theirs. Dumb.

[mvp 78]

Right, but I don't think there's much in the way of secret money no one knows about...

 

I don't think there is secret money, just that the books aren't open to the public. We really have no idea how much the Sox make. Maybe Henry is paying as much as he possibly can to payroll? We don't know.

[mvp 78]

Forbes does a report on it every year. The one for 2021 should be out some time this month.

 

I take the Forbes reports with a grain of salt. Actually, I just tip my gravity salt grinder over the reports until it looks edible.

[Bellhorn04]

I don't think there is secret money, just that the books aren't open to the public. We really have no idea how much the Sox make.

 

We can do the math on a lot of it, though.

[moonslav59]

That's why I said they should go back to the drawing board. He spends his money poorly and then tells other people how to spend theirs. Dumb.

 

Yes, I agreed and still do.

[moonslav59]

I don't think there is secret money, just that the books aren't open to the public. We really have no idea how much the Sox make. Maybe Henry is paying as much as he possibly can to payroll? We don't know.

 

Maybe secret is not the right word, but there is money made from "satellite companies" that may not be included in a team's revenues.

[Bellhorn04]

Maybe secret is not the right word, but there is money made from "satellite companies" that may not be included in a team's revenues.

 

Tell us more.

[moonslav59]

We can do the math on a lot of it, though.

 

We know what NESN pays the Sox and what MLB pays the Sox for TV rights, but do we count the revenues NESN makes in the team's revenues? No, right? (Although NESN is 80% owned by The Fenway Group)

 

Do concessions and merchandise revenues count in the Forbes numbers?

 

Different teams have different situations with their cable TV providers and concessions/merchandizing, as well.

[moonslav59]

Tell us more.

 

See my next post.

[Bellhorn04]

We know what NESN pays the Sox and what MLB pays the Sox for TV rights, but do we count the revenues NESN makes in the team's revenues? No, right? (Although NESN is 80% owned by The Fenway Group)

 

Do concessions and merchandise revenues count in the Forbes numbers?

 

Different teams have different situations with their cable TV providers and concessions/merchandizing, as well.

 

All I can say is that I assume Forbes does their due diligence. Beyond that is pure speculation.

[dgalehouse]

It's a tough situation. There can be an enormous difference in revenue between the most lucrative big market areas and some of the more depressed smaller markets. It's not even close to being a level playing field. Maybe the best way to achieve more competitive balance ( if they really want that ) would be a total overhaul of the draft system , both foreign and domestic.

[dgalehouse]

Lost and Found department. Lost: Common sense. ...... Found: Nothing.

[mvp 78]

@kzoogrowlers

RELEASE: MLB Commissioner Rob Manfred has been given a lifetime ban from Growlers games.

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[harmony]

That's why I said they should go back to the drawing board. He spends his money poorly and then tells other people how to spend theirs. Dumb.

With all their spending it's incredible that the Los Angeles Angels have MLB's longest current streak of consecutive losing seasons.

 

Not the Pirates. Not the Orioles. Not the Tigers. Not the Rockies.

 

The Angels.