trade deadline

[moonslav59]

Gallo

 

for

 

Downs, Dalbec and Groome

 

Another 1.3 year guy, and he K's almost as much as Dalbec.

 

He's had some great years, but is up and down, a lot.

 

He's only had over 363 PAs twice in the bigs.

[notin]

I'm thinking we may lose Ward to Rule 5.

 

Ward is coming off TJ and has never pitched above A ball. It’s very unlikely anyone picks him.

 

We focus on Ward because he looks like a good pitching talent. But every organization has some A ball pitcher equivalent to Ward. He hasn’t done anything so special yet to deserve being picked in the rule 5 draft…

[moonslav59]

Ward is coming off TJ and has never pitched above A ball. It’s very unlikely anyone picks him.

 

We focus on Ward because he looks like a good pitching talent. But every organization has some A ball pitcher equivalent to Ward. He hasn’t done anything so special yet to deserve being picked in the rule 5 draft…

 

That's why I'd trade him over Groome, but I guess mvp thinks otherwise.

[moonslav59]

Ward, Potts and Chavis for 1.3 years of Boyd?

[notin]

That's why I'd trade him over Groome, but I guess mvp thinks otherwise.

 

 

 

If I was an MLB GM (please!!!), I’d take Groome in a trade over Ward right now. And I am far from a Groome fan…

[moonslav59]

If I was an MLB GM (please!!!), I’d take Groome in a trade over Ward right now. And I am far from a Groome fan…

 

Groome is rated higher than Ward on BTV 4.3 to 3.8.

[mvp 78]

I'm thinking we may lose Ward to Rule 5.

 

Maybe?

[mvp 78]

If I was an MLB GM (please!!!), I’d take Groome in a trade over Ward right now. And I am far from a Groome fan…

 

I put Groome in that deal instead of Ward specifically because he had a higher BTV value. I'm not sure I'd do that deal. I think Ward and Groome are both huge question marks. Not sure which I'd put my money on.

[mvp 78]

If I was an MLB GM (please!!!), I’d take Groome in a trade over Ward right now. And I am far from a Groome fan…

 

I would assume actual GM's prefer healthy players too.

[moonslav59]

I would assume actual GM's prefer healthy players too.

 

All other things equal, yes, but they also like upside potential.

 

That's why Mata still holds much better value.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Danny Duffy was placed on the IL, reducing the chances he gets moved. I'm starting to like Jon Gray as a trade target for the Red Sox (Moon's suggestion) and I'm hearing that the Dodgers and Rays are interested in Gray, two really good organizations.

 

The plan:

(1) Trade for Gray and resign him to a 3-4 year deal.

(2) Trade for a starting 1b.

 

Disco!

[mvp 78]

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/2021-trade-value-31-to-40/

 

In terms of trade value, Fangraphs has Raffy at 37th highest and Verdugo at 35. Verdugo may have a higher value solely because he has an extra year of control.

[moonslav59]

Danny Duffy was placed on the IL, reducing the chances he gets moved. I'm starting to like Jon Gray as a trade target for the Red Sox (Moon's suggestion) and I'm hearing that the Dodgers and Rays are interested in Gray, two really good organizations.

 

The plan:

(1) Trade for Gray and resign him to a 3-4 year deal.

(2) Trade for a starting 1b.

 

Disco!

 

CJ Chron could be part of a package deal. It should not add much to the return.

 

[mvp 78]

CJ Chron could be part of a package deal. It should not add much to the return.

 

 

Cron

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Cardiac Craig's

 

He hasn't been "Cardiac Craig" in 2021. Instead, he has been "Historic Season Craig" in 2021: BB/9=2.9, SO/9=15.5, ERA+=750, FIP=1.09

[moonslav59]

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/2021-trade-value-31-to-40/

 

In terms of trade value, Fangraphs has Raffy at 37th highest and Verdugo at 35. Verdugo may have a higher value solely because he has an extra year of control.

 

BTV has...

 

97 Devers

52 Bogey

50 Verdugo

48 Casas

45 Duran

23 Barnes

20 Downs

12 ERod & Dalbec

11 Vaz, Pivetta, Jimenez & Houck

10 Mata

9 Taylor

7 RoHern & Yorke

5 Seabold, Renfroe & Whitlock

4 DHern, Groome, Arroyo, Song & Ward

3.5 Rosario, JD

3 Lugo, Decker, Wilson, Jordan & Wong

2.5 Murphy & Kike

 

[Fan_since_Boggs]

CJ Chron could be part of a package deal. It should not add much to the return.

 

Look at Cron's home/road splits, though. And Cron isn't even having a great year, but if not for Coors Field he would totally suck.

 

For me, Gray yes, Cron no. I would rather make a separate trade with the Tigers for Schoop.

[mvp 78]

He hasn't been "Cardiac Craig" in 2021. Instead, he has been "Historic Season Craig" in 2021: BB/9=2.9, SO/9=15.5, ERA+=750, FIP=1.09

 

IDK. He only has 1.9 fWAR. That's maybe only in the very good territory. Kiké has the same fWAR so far. We wouldn't call his season historic.

 

[moonslav59]

Look at Cron's home/road splits, though. And Cron isn't even having a great year, but if not for Coors Field he would totally suck.

 

For me, Gray yes, Cron no. I would rather make a separate trade with the Tigers for Schoop.

 

.682 on the road still beats Bobby Dee, and Cron has had some good seasons, recently.

 

.894 in '20 DET

.780 in '19 MN

.816 in '18 TB

 

.808 from '18-'21. Why focus on just his away numbers in 2021 for just over a half season?

 

He's averaged 34 HRs per 650 PAs in that period.

[moonslav59]

Look at Cron's home/road splits, though. And Cron isn't even having a great year, but if not for Coors Field he would totally suck.

 

For me, Gray yes, Cron no. I would rather make a separate trade with the Tigers for Schoop.

 

Schoop may cost more.

 

Did you see my Boyd + Schoop trade?

[harmony]

Another 1.3 year guy, and he K's almost as much as Dalbec.

 

He's had some great years, but is up and down, a lot.

 

He's only had over 363 PAs twice in the bigs.

It's hard to overlook Joey Gallo's .391 on-base percentage in 363 plate appearances this year versus Bobby Dalbec's .259 OBP in 266 plate appearances.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

IDK. He only has 1.9 fWAR. That's maybe only in the very good territory. Kiké has the same fWAR so far. We wouldn't call his season historic.

 

 

Kiimbrel is on pace to finish with a WAR around 4.0 and that is great for a reliever, Mariano Rivera territory.

 

Moreover, the idea behind acquiring Kimbrel would be to help the Red Sox win a 7-game postseason series. Kimbrel could be used to get pivotal outs and could easily change the course of a playoff series. The Red Sox lost the W.S. in 1986 because they didn't have a reliever like Kimbrel, and there are many other examples of this. Relief pitchers become so important in playoff games, and carry much greater importance in a 7 game series than they do over the course of an entire season.

 

With that said, if the Red Sox walk away with Jon Gray and J.Schoop I would be pretty happy. I want the SP and I want the starting 1b more than the relief pitcher.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Did you see my Boyd + Schoop trade?

 

Nope, and I can't find it.

[moonslav59]

Nope, and I can't find it.

 

This one got 6 likes and 0 dislikes for the Sox and 6 likes and 2 dislikes for DET:

 

Ro Hernandez, Groome, Ward & Chavis

for

Boyd, Cisnero & Schoop

 

I just put this one through...

 

Ro Hernandez & Ward

for

Boyd & Schoop

 

It also accepted Bobby Dee straight up for the two.

 

Groome, Ward & Chavis, too.

 

Ward, Rosario, Decker & Chavis, but they'd laugh at this one.

 

[moonslav59]

It's hard to overlook Joey Gallo's .391 on-base percentage in 363 plate appearances this year versus Bobby Dalbec's .259 OBP in 266 plate appearances.

 

You know me, I'm not all about recency.

 

That being said, can we trade Dalbec for Gallo straight up? No, not even close, so what's your point?

[mvp 78]

Kiimbrel is on pace to finish with a WAR around 4.0 and that is great for a reliever, Mariano Rivera territory.

 

Moreover, the idea behind acquiring Kimbrel would be to help the Red Sox win a 7-game postseason series. Kimbrel could be used to get pivotal outs and could easily change the course of a playoff series. The Red Sox lost the W.S. in 1986 because they didn't have a reliever like Kimbrel, and there are many other examples of this. Relief pitchers become so important in playoff games, and carry much greater importance in a 7 game series than they do over the course of an entire season.

 

With that said, if the Red Sox walk away with Jon Gray and J.Schoop I would be pretty happy. I want the SP and I want the starting 1b more than the relief pitcher.

 

If the Sox are in the WS, I could see them going away from shaky Kimbrel and back to Sale again.

[mvp 78]

Adding Gallo would make them the team to beat. That'd be a crazy lineup.

[moonslav59]

Adding Gallo would make them the team to beat. That'd be a crazy lineup.

 

I disagree.

 

I still think Houston looks better on paper, and they will likely make a trade or two as well.

 

The Dodgers are way better.

 

That being said, it's what we'd have to give back is the big "no" for me, and if we give up that much, I want pitching.

 

[harmony]

You know me, I'm not all about recency.

 

That being said, can we trade Dalbec for Gallo straight up? No, not even close, so what's your point?

In two-plus years since the start of the 2019 season Joey Gallo has an OBP of .367 in 886 plate appearances while Bobby Dalbec has a career OBP of .285 in 358 plate appearances.

 

Simply adding context to a comp raised in your post.

[moonslav59]

In two-plus years since the start of the 2019 season Joey Gallo has an OBP of .367 in 886 plate appearances while Bobby Dalbec has a career OBP of .285 in 358 plate appearances.

 

Simply adding context to a comp raised in your post.

 

358 PAs just doesn't mean all that much, to me.

 

My issue with Gallo is the up and down not the mean.

 

.312

.389

.301

.391

 

That and the cost needed to get him.

 

If the guy had a .391 OBP over the past 2-4 years, I'm interested.