Betts or Martinez?

[moonslav59]

It does look like one of Betts, Martinez, Price or Eovaldi has to go.

 

From those 4, I prefer it be either Price or Eovaldi. But Betts is clearly the most desirable for any team hoping for a title run in 2020...

 

To me, if we trade Betts, especially for prospects or pre-prime players, we might as well trade all 4.

[notin]

To me, if we trade Betts, especially for prospects or pre-prime players, we might as well trade all 4.

 

If the Sox could trade all 4, that means they could trade Price and Eovaldi. If they can trade one of those two, stop there...

[moonslav59]

If the Sox could trade all 4, that means they could trade Price and Eovaldi. If they can trade one of those two, stop there...

 

They can trade all 4 plus JBJ. It just depends on what we are prepared to pay off their remaining deals or take back in salary dumps.

 

With the massive amount of money saved, we could let Bloom do "his thing" by finding multiple lower cost FAs and bargains by trade.

 

I'm not saying I want to blow it all up, but if we trade Betts for prospects or pre-prime players, why play it half way for 2020?

[notin]

They can trade all 4 plus JBJ. It just depends on what we are prepared to pay off their remaining deals or take back in salary dumps.

 

With the massive amount of money saved, we could let Bloom do "his thing" by finding multiple lower cost FAs and bargains by trade.

 

I'm not saying I want to blow it all up, but if we trade Betts for prospects or pre-prime players, why play it half way for 2020?

 

I'd call dealing off all 4 a blow up. Just get rid of one mega-contract and fill a few holes. An offense lead by Betts, Martinez, Bogaerts, and Devers is a great foundation. Trade Bradley. Get a 1b/2b, CF and a couple SPs. Call it a day...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

To me, it's senseless to trade lots of expensive players so we can clear money to invest in other expensive players. Unless the guys we're getting rid of are bad personalities in the clubhouse, which we'll never really know... but which we've heard is never the case with the names being mentioned. It's one thing if the chemistry is sour, but this is the core that recently won a ring together.

[notin]

To me, it's senseless to trade lots of expensive players so we can clear money to invest in other expensive players. Unless the guys we're getting rid of are bad personalities in the clubhouse, which we'll never really know... but which we've heard is never the case with the names being mentioned. It's one thing if the chemistry is sour, but this is the core that recently won a ring together.

 

While I can agree with that, the word has come on down from on high. Get under the limit. Sure, they say it's a goal and not a mandate. But that also means trying to get under is a mandate.

[Bellhorn04]

While I can agree with that, the word has come on down from on high. Get under the limit. Sure, they say it's a goal and not a mandate. But that also means trying to get under is a mandate.

 

Do, or do not. There is no try.

[notin]

Do, or do not. There is no try.

 

So... if the Sox don't think they can trade, say Eovaldi, they should just give up?

[Bellhorn04]

So... if the Sox don't think they can trade, say Eovaldi, they should just give up?

 

I just thought it was a good opportunity too use that quote from Yoda. I'm a big Yoda fan.

[notin]

I just thought it was a good opportunity too use that quote from Yoda. I'm a big Yoda fan.

 

And how many rings does Yoda have?

 

You know he's voiced by Grover from Sesame Street, right?

[Jack Flap]

And how many rings does Yoda have?

 

This is why GMs should get their strategy advice from the Dark Lord Sauron.

Edited December 5, 2019 by Jack Flap

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Meanwhile:

Jim Bowden says extend Betts -- $370M for 10.

https://nesn.com/2019/12/ex-mlb-gm-suggests-move-red-sox-should-make-with-mookie-betts-at-winter-meetings/

 

Tomase says trade Price to keep Betts.

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/red-sox/maybe-david-price-isnt-untradeable-we-think-red-sox

 

Bloom says they're "going to handle the situation accordingly"...

https://nesn.com/2019/12/chaim-bloom-praises-mookie-betts-but-admits-red-sox-must-explore-all-of-our-options/

 

All Betts are on!

[moonslav59]

I'd call dealing off all 4 a blow up. Just get rid of one mega-contract and fill a few holes. An offense lead by Betts, Martinez, Bogaerts, and Devers is a great foundation. Trade Bradley. Get a 1b/2b, CF and a couple SPs. Call it a day...

 

Yes, I'm not for blowing things up, BUT if we trade Betts for prospects (not ML player), then forget about 2020 and just go ahead and blow it up. Trade Price, Eovaldi, JD and JBJ.

[Slasher9]

some great posts in this thread. going back to the original question...JH is 100% resetting. i dont care how they tried to walk that back a couple days after he said it. the reset is happening. the cliff is here. now for the original question. i trade both of them. get all the prospects i can get. next offseason the bank is open and we should have tradeable prospects to wheel and deal. i am throwing 2020 away and i dont give a flying Eff because i just gave you a parade a little over a year ago. i am resetting my bank account, getting my accountants and more importantly my wife off my back. as for our favorite son Mookie Betts....Mookie is 100% going to free agency. and Mookie will sign with whomever offers him teh most $$$. that wont change whether we keep him for his final arb year or if we trade him for prospects. i am resetting 2020 and will be in position to pay what it takes to get 50 back. we wont even take his locker plaque down.

JDM - it was great having you but buh bye. i had the BEST dh in the history of baseball for years at a much, much lower AAV. take your weirdo pre pitch ritual elsewhere.

[Bellhorn04]

JDM - it was great having you but buh bye. i had the BEST dh in the history of baseball for years at a much, much lower AAV. take your weirdo pre pitch ritual elsewhere.

 

JDM actually has a higher OPS and OPS+ in a Boston uniform than Papi did. That's pretty impressive...

[moonslav59]

some great posts in this thread. going back to the original question...JH is 100% resetting. i dont care how they tried to walk that back a couple days after he said it. the reset is happening. the cliff is here. now for the original question. i trade both of them. get all the prospects i can get. next offseason the bank is open and we should have tradeable prospects to wheel and deal. i am throwing 2020 away and i dont give a flying Eff because i just gave you a parade a little over a year ago. i am resetting my bank account, getting my accountants and more importantly my wife off my back. as for our favorite son Mookie Betts....Mookie is 100% going to free agency. and Mookie will sign with whomever offers him teh most $$$. that wont change whether we keep him for his final arb year or if we trade him for prospects. i am resetting 2020 and will be in position to pay what it takes to get 50 back. we wont even take his locker plaque down.

JDM - it was great having you but buh bye. i had the BEST dh in the history of baseball for years at a much, much lower AAV. take your weirdo pre pitch ritual elsewhere.

 

I couldn't agree more.

 

Here's what I was able to do playing around on the trade simulator site:

 

JD, Chavis & Duran to the White Sox for Kopech & Collins ©.

 

Betts & Eovaldi to LAD for Gonsolin

 

Price, Walden & $3M (maybe add JBJ) to SDP for Margot & Myers

 

We'd be set up nicely to make a run at Betts for 2021. Lots of budget space and a good rotation with Sale, ERod, Gonsolin & Kopech. We'd be overpaying for Myers, who could play 1B or OF, but he costs way less than Price & Eovaldi.

Edited December 5, 2019 by moonslav59

[notin]

JDM actually has a higher OPS and OPS+ in a Boston uniform than Papi did. That's pretty impressive...

 

Think he can maintain that for 14 seasons? Or until age 40?

 

I mean, Cody Ross had a higher OPS and OPS+ for Boston than Dustin Pedroia, but I think we all get why...

Edited December 5, 2019 by notin

[notin]

I couldn't agree more.

 

Here's what I was able to do playing around on the trade simulator site:

 

JD, Chavis & Duran to the White Sox for Kopech & Collins ©.

 

Betts & Eovaldi to LAD for Gonsolin

 

Price, Walden & $3M (maybe add JBJ) to SDP for Margot & Myers

 

We'd be set up nicely to make a run at Betts for 2021. Lots of budget space and a good rotation with Sale, ERod, Gonsolin & Kopech. We'd be overpaying for Myers, who could play 1B or OF, but he costs way less than Price & Eovaldi.

 

I like my simple Eovaldi and Bradley to Texas for Odor and Mazara. Knocks off about $15mill towards luxury tax. Not a fan of Odor (who, ironically or not, stinks) but I think this deal works for both teams...

[Bellhorn04]

Think he can maintain that for 14 seasons? Or until age 40?

 

I mean, Cody Ross had a higher OPS and OPS+ for Boston than Dustin Pedroia, but I think we all get why...

 

JD's numbers are impressive regardless.

[moonslav59]

Think he can maintain that for 14 seasons? Or until age 40?

 

I mean, Cody Ross had a higher OPS and OPS+ for Boston than Dustin Pedroia, but I think we all get why...

 

Pretty amazing that the only year Papi led the league in SLG% and OPS was his final year at age 40!

 

(It was also the only year he led in doubles.)

[moonslav59]

I like my simple Eovaldi and Bradley to Texas for Odor and Mazara. Knocks off about $15mill towards luxury tax. Not a fan of Odor (who, ironically or not, stinks) but I think this deal works for both teams...

 

Would you trade JBJ, Eovaldi & Walden for Familia, W Ramos & Marisnik?

[moonslav59]

Speaking of the trade simulator, I think they have these Sox players rated too highly, so that's why I have involved them in a lot of trades (Or, I think they may be due for an decline year in 2020):

 

Trade Value - Player

17.7 Chavis

12.1 Duran

5.8 Walden

[notin]

JD's numbers are impressive regardless.

 

They are. And he has a similar backstory to Papi in that neither seemed to be well-regarded early in their careers...

[Jack Flap]

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28231144/mookie-betts-reds-white-sox-more-winter-meetings-trades-want-see

 

As with every other Mookie trade idea before it, this is pretty underwhelming stuff. The Reds proposal doesn't completely suck, I guess, but the White Sox one looks pretty light...Basabe doesn't seem like nearly a good enough prospect to be a central piece in a deal like that.

[notin]

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28231144/mookie-betts-reds-white-sox-more-winter-meetings-trades-want-see

 

As with every other Mookie trade idea before it, this is pretty underwhelming stuff. The Reds proposal doesn't completely suck, I guess, but the White Sox one looks pretty light...Basabe doesn't seem like nearly a good enough prospect to be a central piece in a deal like that.

 

I actually like the White Sox package better, because Lopez is pretty good. I might prefer they replace Basabe (whom the Red Sox sent there as part of the Sale package) with a better prospect, like Nick Madrigal. Dunning is intriguing but I believe recently had TJ surgery.

 

On the Reds deal, I would pass on Lodolo for Hunter Greene, as Greene is closer to MLB. I’m iffy on Winkler for the reasons they highlight. They are likely to want to include Jonathan India, since he’s a redundancy, but I would want a third team to take him...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Talk about weak: "the Reds have nine outfielders on their 40-man roster. But add them all up and you don't have one Mookie Betts." "He wouldn't fill Betts' shoes by any stretch" (seriously, these are the types of quotes most Boston fans keep saying, but I'm glad when writers proposing to trade him show the futility of it all).

 

If Bloom just read them, he's now convinced. Ship him out!

[moonslav59]

Talk about weak: "the Reds have nine outfielders on their 40-man roster. But add them all up and you don't have one Mookie Betts." "He wouldn't fill Betts' shoes by any stretch" (seriously, these are the types of quotes most Boston fans keep saying, but I'm glad when writers proposing to trade him show the futility of it all).

 

If Bloom just read them, he's now convinced. Ship him out!

 

Funny. We have just 3 OF'er on our roster (not counting JD) and will likely trade 1 (JBJ) or 2 (Betts).

[notin]

Would you trade JBJ, Eovaldi & Walden for Familia, W Ramos & Marisnik?

 

 

Not really. It seems like a big step down for only a $6.5-ish reduction towards the luxury tax...

[Swiharts Ghost]

Neither we are running it back making a real run again .

[moonslav59]

Not really. It seems like a big step down for only a $6.5-ish reduction towards the luxury tax...

 

How about... (Lux tax $)?

 

Betts ($28M/1)

Eovaldi ($17M x 3)

Chavis & Walden

 

for

Syndergaard ($10M + last arb)

Familia ($10M x 2)

Jed Lowrie ($10M x 1)