Yankees Release Ellsbury

[Tedballgame]

The Yankees thought they stole one from the Sox when they signed him. LOL! What a waste of $153 million dollars. HUGE mistake by Cashman.

[harmony]

The Yankees thought they stole one from the Sox when they signed him. LOL! What a waste of $153 million dollars. HUGE mistake by Cashman.

It freed up money for the Red Sox to sign Hanley Ramirez and Pablo Sandoval the following offseason for a combined $183 million.

 

Not all contracts work out.

[moonslav59]

It freed up money for the Red Sox to sign Hanley Ramirez and Pablo Sandoval the following offseason for a combined $183 million.

 

Not all contracts work out.

 

Indeed, but we're done with their deals. The Yanks still pay Jacoby $26M for 2020.

[fxkatt]

It freed up money for the Red Sox to sign Hanley Ramirez and Pablo Sandoval the following offseason for a combined $183 million.

 

Not all contracts work out.

 

Everybody got bummed with this trade.

 

This release makes me doubt that the Yanks will be in the competition for Betts. It wd require a very large offer and this release is too strong a reminder to lay off altogether.

[Swiharts Ghost]

He was one of my favorite Redsox when he signed over there .Sad what he became

[harmony]

Indeed, but we're done with their deals. The Yanks still pay Jacoby $26M for 2020.

That's the final $26 million payment on a $153 million bill for Jacoby Ellsbury after the Yankees slipped under the luxury tax threshold.

 

The Red Sox have exceeded the luxury tax threshold in consecutive years in paying off the entire $183 million bill for Hanley Ramirez and Pablo Sandoval. In that sense the Sox are still paying in an effort to reset the luxury tax calculation.

[Tedballgame]

Sox got Michael Kopech with draft pick compensation for Ellsbury. That worked out.

[notin]

Everybody got bummed with this trade.

 

This release makes me doubt that the Yanks will be in the competition for Betts. It wd require a very large offer and this release is too strong a reminder to lay off altogether.

 

That plus the cash they owe Stanton, not to mention what Judge and Sanchez will be making in arbitration...

[moonslav59]

That's the final $26 million payment on a $153 million bill for Jacoby Ellsbury after the Yankees slipped under the luxury tax threshold.

 

The Red Sox have exceeded the luxury tax threshold in consecutive years in paying off the entire $183 million bill for Hanley Ramirez and Pablo Sandoval. In that sense the Sox are still paying in an effort to reset the luxury tax calculation.

 

That's a reach.

 

It was a reach to even equate the Ellsbury signing with HRam + Pabloato.

 

Then, a reach from the reach.

 

How's this for a reach? We got Kopech for the comp pick from Ells and Sale for Kopech.

[harmony]

That's a reach.

 

It was a reach to even equate the Ellsbury signing with HRam + Pabloato.

Indeed.

 

Jacoby Ellsbury produced 8.1 fWAR for the $153 million investment while Hanley Ramirez and Pablo Sandoval produced a combined negative 0.7 fWAR for the $183 million investment.

[moonslav59]

Indeed.

 

Jacoby Ellsbury produced 8.1 fWAR for the $153 million investment while Hanley Ramirez and Pablo Sandoval produced a combined negative 0.7 fWAR for the $183 million investment.

 

That wasn't my point.

 

We made a great choice letting Jacoby go.

 

That choice is still great, despite us wasting the savings on HRam and Pablo.

 

(BTW, we have paid other players since Ellsbury left, and one could argue that was the savings money.

[moonslav59]

So, does that mean the Crawford dump trade was bad for BOS?

 

AGon 9.4 WAR

Crawford 4.3 WAR

Punto 1.5 WAR

Beckett 0.6 WAR

15.8 Total (No rings for LAD)

 

Napoli 5.5

Victorino 4.9

Dempster 0.5

Rubby de la Rosa 0.2

Allen Webster -0.3

10.8 Total (1 ring for BOS)

[harmony]

So, does that mean the Crawford dump trade was bad for BOS?

 

AGon 9.4 WAR

Crawford 4.3 WAR

Punto 1.5 WAR

Beckett 0.6 WAR

15.8 Total (No rings for LAD)

 

Napoli 5.5

Victorino 4.9

Dempster 0.5

Rubby de la Rosa 0.2

Allen Webster -0.3

10.8 Total (1 ring for BOS)

The Dodger front office probably has not lost sleep over that trade as the Dodgers have won seven straight division titles (without capturing a World Series crown).

 

The fWAR standings in the seven full seasons since the trade:

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2019&month=0&season1=2013&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=&age=&filter=&players=0&startdate=&enddate=

 

... and the overall won-loss standings:

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2019&month=0&season1=2013&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=2013-01-01&enddate=2019-12-31&sort=2,d

[Tedballgame]

The whole point of this thread is that the Sox were right for letting Ellsbury go and the Yankees were wrong for signing him him. That is all. Talking about other moves made after that by either team is irrelevant to the fact that sometimes teams have to let guys go and not over pay them based on what they have done in the past. The BB method.

[Slasher9]

i always preferred coco crisp anyways....

[Bellhorn04]

Indeed.

 

Jacoby Ellsbury produced 8.1 fWAR for the $153 million investment while Hanley Ramirez and Pablo Sandoval produced a combined negative 0.7 fWAR for the $183 million investment.

 

Nice of you leave out Rusney.

[jacksonianmarch]

The whole point of this thread is that the Sox were right for letting Ellsbury go and the Yankees were wrong for signing him him. That is all. Talking about other moves made after that by either team is irrelevant to the fact that sometimes teams have to let guys go and not over pay them based on what they have done in the past. The BB method.

 

Are you FsB with a second username?

[Bellhorn04]

The whole point of this thread is that the Sox were right for letting Ellsbury go and the Yankees were wrong for signing him him. That is all. Talking about other moves made after that by either team is irrelevant to the fact that sometimes teams have to let guys go and not over pay them based on what they have done in the past. The BB method.

 

All the GM's who have a lot of money to play with have wasted piles of it. Cashman, Dombrowski, Theo, Ben.

 

The great news for Sox fans is that we have overcome our wastages and won championships in spite of them.

 

As for BB, it's not a great comparison. BB is of course awesome at what he does. But the structure in football is completely different.

[kenmeister]

The Yankees and Red Sox have both made some really bad signings over the years. We should do a comparison. Off the top of my head, the Yankees got Kevin Brown and Randy Johnson well past their primes, and of course the Red Sox extended Beckett when they shouldn't have, and probably Sale. Ellsbury was a horrific signing, so was Carl Crawford. I just wish the madness would stop and the Sox would stop wasting money.

[Bellhorn04]

The Yankees and Red Sox have both made some really bad signings over the years. We should do a comparison. Off the top of my head, the Yankees got Kevin Brown and Randy Johnson well past their primes, and of course the Red Sox extended Beckett when they shouldn't have, and probably Sale. Ellsbury was a horrific signing, so was Carl Crawford. I just wish the madness would stop and the Sox would stop wasting money.

 

The madness is not going to stop, not as long as baseball is flourishing financially. Free agents are hit and miss, and all the stat geeks in the world haven't figured out a way to predict with certainty which ones will succeed and which will flop.

[notin]

That's the final $26 million payment on a $153 million bill for Jacoby Ellsbury after the Yankees slipped under the luxury tax threshold.

 

The Red Sox have exceeded the luxury tax threshold in consecutive years in paying off the entire $183 million bill for Hanley Ramirez and Pablo Sandoval. In that sense the Sox are still paying in an effort to reset the luxury tax calculation.

 

Are you trying to argue that Ellsbury was a good signing because the Red Sox signed Ramirez and Sandoval?

 

If your goal is to be the voice of objectivity, normally an easy task on a message board, constantly and opportunistically harping on bad moves by the Red Sox is absolutely the wrong way to do it.

 

The Yankees made a bad move with Ellsbury. This is a fact.

 

The Red Sox made bad moves with Hanley and Sandoval. Also fact, but completely irrelevant to this thread. It’s not like Sox fans were decrying Ellsbury while extolling the virtues of Sandoval and Hanley. Bringing them up just because is Grade A Trolling. If you don’t want to be known as a troll, it’s best to stop...

[Slasher9]

Nice of you leave out Rusney.

 

that was some pro level trolling by harmony. or not.

[Bellhorn04]

I'm giving harmony a pass on this one. The Yankees made a bad signing. Big deal. We've made plenty of them. Big deal. It really doesn't matter that much. I'm a bottom line guy.

[notin]

The madness is not going to stop, not as long as baseball is flourishing financially. Free agents are hit and miss, and all the stat geeks in the world haven't figured out a way to predict with certainty which ones will succeed and which will flop.

 

This one has.

 

My logic is simple.

 

Most flop. All do eventually. Avoid anything longer than 3 years. Avoid huge cash contracts. Use free agency as a short term gap filler, not a long term team builder...

[Bellhorn04]

This one has.

 

My logic is simple.

 

Most flop. All do eventually. Avoid anything longer than 3 years. Avoid huge cash contracts. Use free agency as a short term gap filler, not a long term team builder...

 

Then you're the Rays.

[notin]

Then you're the Rays.

 

Or the Athletics. You probably saw them both last October...

[harmony]

Are you trying to argue that Ellsbury was a good signing because the Red Sox signed Ramirez and Sandoval?

 

If your goal is to be the voice of objectivity, normally an easy task on a message board, constantly and opportunistically harping on bad moves by the Red Sox is absolutely the wrong way to do it.

 

The Yankees made a bad move with Ellsbury. This is a fact.

 

The Red Sox made bad moves with Hanley and Sandoval. Also fact, but completely irrelevant to this thread. It’s not like Sox fans were decrying Ellsbury while extolling the virtues of Sandoval and Hanley. Bringing them up just because is Grade A Trolling. If you don’t want to be known as a troll, it’s best to stop...

The evidence supported the statement that "Not all contracts work out," which was made in response to the OP's "What a waste of $153 million dollars. HUGE mistake by Cashman."

[Bellhorn04]

Or the Athletics. You probably saw them both last October...

 

I did. Wouldn't want to be them though. For some reason they can never get past the Wild Card game or Division Series.

[Slasher9]

Or the Athletics. You probably saw them both last October...

 

they both make the playoffs at a pretty good clip. but as Bell showed on another thread spending the $$$ equates to parades and not just postseason appearances....

[Bellhorn04]

The Yankees, BTW, have filed a grievance against Ellsbury to recoup some money because he used an outside facility while rehabbing.