Bloom move your asssssss

[Swiharts Ghost]

I don't think the Sox are going to "rebuild" and I don't think they're going to get extensive pieces for the right to pay Mookie Betts $30mill for one season. I think the reset is more important than the rebuild.

 

Does it help that Pederson has a 1.212 OPS vs Gerrit Cole?

 

Yup owns him .I trade Price and Mookie for Joc and Seager in a second

[notin]

Yup owns him .I trade Price and Mookie for Joc and Seager in a second

 

I don’t think LA would...

[harmony]

I don’t think LA would...

Corey Seager alone has more surplus value than Mookie Betts, according to Baseball Trade Values. The Dodgers won’t trade Joc Pederson for the $96 million owed David Price.

[moonslav59]

To me, sending Price with Betts and taking back Pollock's contract is a solid foundation for a trade with LA. The spare parts are the hard part to project. The Sox would have to get something of value back (Urias, Maeda, ___?)

[jacksonianmarch]

To me, sending Price with Betts and taking back Pollock's contract is a solid foundation for a trade with LA. The spare parts are the hard part to project. The Sox would have to get something of value back (Urias, Maeda, ___?)

 

Pollock's contract isn't that big of a bear and as always, if he is healthy, he can be highly effective. I doubt they see Pollock's value as negative, especially if he does his standard .800+ OPS and average to plus defense over 120 games or so

[notin]

Pollock's contract isn't that big of a bear and as always, if he is healthy, he can be highly effective. I doubt they see Pollock's value as negative, especially if he does his standard .800+ OPS and average to plus defense over 120 games or so

 

 

That goes for Price, too.

 

Pollock has $51 mill left on a $55 mill contract. Swapping him for Price means they get 3 years of a good (formerly great) starting pitcher for a total cost of $41mill.

 

The Red Sox would get a replacement for Bradley or Betts (preferably Bradley) and save $17mill towards the luxury tax.

 

A Price-Pollock foundation does make sense for both teams...

[jacksonianmarch]

Price is ACTIVELY hurt and has just had throwing arm surgery.

[Swiharts Ghost]

Jax you are a prick just stop

[moonslav59]

That goes for Price, too.

 

Pollock has $51 mill left on a $55 mill contract. Swapping him for Price means they get 3 years of a good (formerly great) starting pitcher for a total cost of $41mill.

 

The Red Sox would get a replacement for Bradley or Betts (preferably Bradley) and save $17mill towards the luxury tax.

 

A Price-Pollock foundation does make sense for both teams...

 

Also, if LAD gets Betts, they don't need or have a place for Pollock.

 

(We could take back Kelly, if more money is needed in return. We have plenty of roster slots open.)

[moonslav59]

Price is ACTIVELY hurt and has just had throwing arm surgery.

 

Minor surgery for a cyst removed from his writs.

 

You sure know how to make everything seem so dire for Sox players.

[harmony]

The trade simulator approves a trade of David Price (three years, $96 million) and Mookie Betts (one year, projected $27 million) for A.J. Pollock (three years, AAV $13.75 million) and four years of lefthander Julio Urias:

 

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trade-simulator/

 

The Dodgers would be adding about a net $45 million AAV to their 2020 budget for luxury tax purposes; the Red Sox would subtracting a corresponding amount.

 

Perhaps not a realistic deal.

[Slasher9]

Fortnite surgery. pretty basic stuff.

[notin]

Price is ACTIVELY hurt and has just had throwing arm surgery.

 

He had a cyst removed from his wrist. Quit acting like he is coming off reconstructive shoulder surgery...

[moonslav59]

The trade simulator approves a trade of David Price (three years, $96 million) and Mookie Betts (one year, projected $27 million) for A.J. Pollock (three years, AAV $13.75 million) and four years of lefthander Julio Urias:

 

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trade-simulator/

 

The Dodgers would be adding about a net $45 million AAV to their 2020 budget for luxury tax purposes; the Red Sox would subtracting a corresponding amount.

 

Perhaps not a realistic deal.

 

It's only $45M for one year, then it's about $15M for 2 more years.

 

Betts for $30M and Price for $15M is not really an overpay.

 

This one I posted was a "featured deal" and had 15 likes to 11 dislikes:

 

Betts, Price & $3M

 

for

 

Pollock, Urias & Maeda

 

I later propsed this:

 

Betts, Price, Duran & $9M

 

for

 

Pollock, Kelly, Urias, Madea & Downs

[jacksonianmarch]

you guys are funny. Flip the script and you’d be saying the opposite. The fact is, he missed half a season with his wrist. He’s recently missed half a season with an elbow. He’s had one healthy year in the last 3 and is coming off surgery on his throwing arm/wrist. His value is in the shitter until he proves he’s healthy and effective

[moonslav59]

you guys are funny. Flip the script and you’d be saying the opposite. The fact is, he missed half a season with his wrist. He’s recently missed half a season with an elbow. He’s had one healthy year in the last 3 and is coming off surgery on his throwing arm/wrist. His value is in the shitter until he proves he’s healthy and effective

 

Your "actively injured" for "throwing arm surgery" comment was funnier.

[notin]

you guys are funny. Flip the script and you’d be saying the opposite. The fact is, he missed half a season with his wrist. He’s recently missed half a season with an elbow. He’s had one healthy year in the last 3 and is coming off surgery on his throwing arm/wrist. His value is in the shitter until he proves he’s healthy and effective

 

 

Right. We’re the funny ones.

 

Price has surgery, but also made 22 starts last year and actually pitched ok. But Price you keep describing as “had arm surgery and has no value.” Flip over to Jordan Montgomery, who has had much more serious surgery, and I had thrown 11 innings last year at all levels and all you talk about is his pedestrian 2.6 fWAR from three years ago in such a way that the impression is you think he was robbed of Cy a Young consideration...

[moonslav59]

Here's a less financially expensive one for the Dodgers:

 

Betts, Eovaldi & Chavis

 

for

 

Pollock, Maeda, Barnes, Urias, Downs & Rios

[jacksonianmarch]

That’s horrible for the Dodgers

[Swiharts Ghost]

That’s horrible for the Dodgers

 

Jax what in the actual F@ck are you doing today ? I usually stick up for your shtick .Give it a rest man .Moon actually has the freaking coconuts to put deals out there ....I freaking Looooove that .Dont shoot people down here without offering something yourself man did someone punch a puppy in front of you today ?

[notin]

That’s horrible for the Dodgers

 

Unless Eovaldi is recovered. They aren’t likely to miss either Barnes or Rios. A backup catcher and a 25yo minor league first baseman who posted a .575 OPS in the PCL? I guess he answered the age-old question - is it possible to post a .575 OPS in the PCL?

 

So why don’t you pretend Eovaldi is Happ and is a great bounce back candidate? So then it’s Betts, Eovaldi and Chavis for Pollock, Urias, Maeda and Downs. That’s actually not crazy. Pollock is owed the same money as Eovaldi. So financially it’s Betts and Chavis for Urias, Maeda and Downs. LA might not want to give up so much pitching, but I’ve seen worse deals proposed out here...

Edited December 18, 2019 by notin

[Bellhorn04]

And another day goes by.

 

Boy: "Mr. Godot told me to tell you he won't come this evening, but surely to-morrow."

[harmony]

Chaim Bloom has likely been asked to get under the luxury tax threshold while improving on an 84-win team that missed the postseason despite baseball's highest payroll.

 

That's a tall order.

 

Fans should probably cut Bloom some slack.

[Tedballgame]

Jax you are a prick just stop

Congratulations. You just won comment of the year!!!!!!

[notin]

Chaim Bloom has likely been asked to get under the luxury tax threshold while improving on an 84-win team that missed the postseason despite baseball's highest payroll.

 

That's a tall order.

 

Fans should probably cut Bloom some slack.

 

 

Nope.

 

He’s clearly overwhelmed and paralyzed through over-analysis and unprepared to deal with the Boston media and rabid fan base, possibly because he was unaware that some teams have media coverage and fan bases.

 

It’s the ONLY possibility. Remember the Boston Sports Fan Motto - Today’s patience is tomorrow’s indecisiveness...

[Carpin]

To me, sending Price with Betts and taking back Pollock's contract is a solid foundation for a trade with LA. The spare parts are the hard part to project. The Sox would have to get something of value back (Urias, Maeda, ___?)

 

You can get Maeda, is a good piece in the trade.

 

But not Urias, the Dodgers are still high on him, they see him as a top SP, they are just handling his workload; they will jump him to 120-140 IP in 2020, he will start in the rotation and will move him to the BP in the second part of the season; if everything goes right and without any serious injury he will be in the rotation full time in 2021.

[moonslav59]

You can get Maeda, is a good piece in the trade.

 

But not Urias, the Dodgers are still high on him, they see him as a top SP, they are just handling his workload; they will jump him to 120-140 IP in 2020, he will start in the rotation and will move him to the BP in the second part of the season; if everything goes right and without any serious injury he will be in the rotation full time in 2021.

 

The Dodgers have a lot of options. They are loaded at catcher- both ML and on the farm. We need a back-up catcher.

 

I'm not locked in on Urias.

 

The trade simulator has these values- mix and match to meet Urias's 29.1 value:

 

21.9 Downs 2B

19.9 Gonsolin SP

18.9 Stripling SP

18.3 Gray RHP

7.9 Kolarek LHP

7.6 Busch 2B

5.4 Rodriguez OF

5.4 Vargas 1B

4.7 Santana 1B

 

Catcher

44.7 Ruiz

41.4 Smith

10.3 Cartaya

10.0 Barnes

4.5 Wong

[Carpin]

Besides Urias is Mexican they have been looking for the next "Fernando Valenzuela" for years and won't trade away the chance of keeping their Mexican fan base happy and the revenue that comes with them. I don't see them trading him away specially in a trade like this.

[Carpin]

The Dodgers have a lot of options. They are loaded at catcher- both ML and on the farm. We need a back-up catcher.

 

I'm not locked in on Urias.

 

The trade simulator has these values- mix and match to meet Urias's 29.1 value:

 

21.9 Downs 2B

19.9 Gonsolin SP

18.9 Stripling SP

18.3 Gray RHP

7.9 Kolarek LHP

7.6 Busch 2B

5.4 Rodriguez OF

5.4 Vargas 1B

4.7 Santana 1B

 

Catcher

44.7 Ruiz

41.4 Smith

10.3 Cartaya

10.0 Barnes

4.5 Wong

 

Dodgers and Sox are a good match for this trade and some of the above players might make sense, but they can remove Pollock and Urias of the equation and still have a good trade.

 

Something like this

 

Betts, Eovaldi & Chavis

 

for

 

Maeda, Barnes & Rios

 

(This is a trade accepted by the simulator)

[mvp 78]

Besides Urias is Mexican they have been looking for the next "Fernando Valenzuela" for years and won't trade away the chance of keeping their Mexican fan base happy and the revenue that comes with them. I don't see them trading him away specially in a trade like this.

 

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