Cherrington leading candidate for Pirates Job

[moonslav59]

Let's see if he gets it. I don't see how he will do a better job with a small budget than he did with a bloated budget.

 

One could argue he'd have done better in Boston without the money he was given to sign HRam, Pablo and others.

 

He showed skill in building the farm.

 

His downfall was the FA signings. Even his lesser ones bombed:

 

Napoli II

Drew II

AJ Pierzynski

Sizemore

Rusney Castillo (IFA)

HRam

Pabloto

Masterson

Edited November 12, 2019 by moonslav59

[notin]

One could argue he'd have done better in Boston without the money he was given to sign HRam, Pablo and others.

 

He showed skill in building the farm.

 

His downfall was the FA signings. Even his lesser ones bombed:

 

Napoli II

Drew II

AJ Pierzynski

Sizemore

Rusney Castillo (IFA)

HRam

Pabloto

Masterson

 

 

Or “Pabloated”...

[moonslav59]

Or “Pabloated”...

 

Wonder how we missed that one before.

[Larry Cook]

One could argue he'd have done better in Boston without the money he was given to sign HRam, Pablo and others.

 

He showed skill in building the farm.

 

His downfall was the FA signings. Even his lesser ones bombed:

 

Napoli II

Drew II

AJ Pierzynski

Sizemore

Rusney Castillo (IFA)

HRam

Pabloto

Masterson

 

While waiting on the youngsters to ripen in the minors, we still needed players and unfortunately for Ben not everyone can be a superstar.

[moonslav59]

While waiting on the youngsters to ripen in the minors, we still needed players and unfortunately for Ben not everyone can be a superstar.

 

He basically whiffed on every FA signing after his the Vic & first Napoli signing. His trades were okay. His IFA signings, other than Castillo, were very good, and his drafts were good, despite one unproductive one.

[cp176]

No. I believe Mrs. Mazeroski was also a member at one point.

 

Maybe you can still join the Dock Ellis Fan Club. They’re always looking for members. Also, they’re always looking for 3-headed garden gnomes carrying vats of custard...

 

You heart breaker. not interested in Dock. Is the 3 headed garden gnome carrying vats of custard a west coast thing or what?

[notin]

You heart breaker. not interested in Dock. Is the 3 headed garden gnome carrying vats of custard a west coast thing or what?

 

No. LSD joke. You know. His no-hitter...

[Kimmi]

Not to diminish BC creds but the cynic in me thinks Cashman's interest in gathering intelligence on his main competition may have also played a part in the offer.

Re the Pirates the talk on MLB radio is that Pittsburgh may make a decision as early as Wednesday. Their thinking is that Ben's experience in Boston gives him the edge.

 

I'm sure that Ben coming from Boston had some appeal to Cashman. That said, there are any number of other Red Sox execs that Cashman could have tried to hire, but didn't. Also, if I'm not mistaken, the Yankees farm system was not in the best shape at the time that Ben became available.

[Elktonnick]

I'm sure that Ben coming from Boston had some appeal to Cashman. That said, there are any number of other Red Sox execs that Cashman could have tried to hire, but didn't. Also, if I'm not mistaken, the Yankees farm system was not in the best shape at the time that Ben became available.

 

I think the fact that Cashman could stick it in Boston's eye was a major consideration. In any case it was ancient history. If Ben does get the Pirates job and can return that franchise to respectability and the playoffs it would be a remarkable achievement and truly propel him into the ranks of the premier GMs

[mvp 78]

One could argue he'd have done better in Boston without the money he was given to sign HRam, Pablo and others.

 

He showed skill in building the farm.

 

His downfall was the FA signings. Even his lesser ones bombed:

 

Napoli II

Drew II

AJ Pierzynski

Sizemore

Rusney Castillo (IFA)

HRam

Pabloto

Masterson

 

He built a farm, but couldn’t manage a MLB roster. Seems like a MiLB coordinator type.

 

Even SoxProspects says that he struggled with roster creation and held onto too many assets.

[notin]

He built a farm, but couldn’t manage a MLB roster. Seems like a MiLB coordinator type.

 

Even SoxProspects says that he struggled with roster creation and held onto too many assets.

 

Also, notin said that. Multiple times. On this board.

 

And welcome back, mvp...

[mvp 78]

Also, notin said that. Multiple times. On this board.

 

And welcome back, mvp...

 

As mvp has said many times, don’t call it a comeback.

[Kimmi]

Also, notin said that. Multiple times. On this board.

 

And welcome back, mvp...

 

And what I have said many times is that Cherington was not given the time to see his 5 year plan through to the end.

 

Also, part of his roster construction problems were named Larry Lucchino.

[moonslav59]

And what I have said many times is that Cherington was not given the time to see his 5 year plan through to the end.

 

Also, part of his roster construction problems were named Larry Lucchino.

 

He constructed a pretty good 2013 ML roster by signing moderate FAs to shorter term deals.

[cp176]

No. LSD joke. You know. His no-hitter...

 

Exactly what i thought - A west coast thing!

[Larry Cook]

He constructed a pretty good 2013 ML roster by signing moderate FAs to shorter term deals.

 

Interestingly enough, no rumors of Larry involved in any of that roster building exercise.

 

We literally went from Ben, who over valued prospects..... to desperate Dave, who vastly undervalued prospects. And oh by the way, desperate dave left us with a non-playoff team and the worst minor league system in baseball.

 

Now “hang ‘em chiam” has to trade our way to respectability. Can he get more than 30 cents on the dollar for any of our sadly depressed assets?

[moonslav59]

Interestingly enough, no rumors of Larry involved in any of that roster building exercise.

 

We literally went from Ben, who over valued prospects..... to desperate Dave, who vastly undervalued prospects. And oh by the way, desperate dave left us with a non-playoff team and the worst minor league system in baseball.

 

Now “hang ‘em chiam” has to trade our way to respectability. Can he get more than 30 cents on the dollar for any of our sadly depressed assets?

 

This whole "over-valued" prospect thing is unfounded. We'll never know one way or another, but I'm convinced he'd have traded several top prospects that next winter, if he was given another year.

 

He also did trade some prospects.

[a700hitter]

Congrats to Ben. He's a good guy, and we won't have to worry about him drafting good pitchers in front of us.

 

[h=1]Report: Ben Cherington Front-Runner To Become Pirates’ GM[/h]

[Elktonnick]

Heard on Chris Russo MLB channel BC hired as Bucs new GM.

[moonslav59]

Heard on Chris Russo MLB channel BC hired as Bucs new GM.

 

MLBTR reports he got the job, too.

[mvp 78]

Congrats to Ben. He's a good guy, and we won't have to worry about him drafting good pitchers in front of us.

 

How long until Pittsburgh realizes that Ben is stuffing his bra?

[moonslav59]

How long until Pittsburgh realizes that Ben is stuffing his bra?

 

During hazing week.

[notin]

Congrats to Ben. He's a good guy, and we won't have to worry about him drafting good pitchers in front of us.

 

Well, he did draft Michael Kopech, Logan Allen and Jalen Beeks. It's just that his replacement traded them all away...

[moonslav59]

Well, he did draft Michael Kopech, Logan Allen and Jalen Beeks. It's just that his replacement traded them all away...

 

And, all the bad signings after 2013 made people forget about Vic, Uehara, David Ross, Napoli I and Drew I signed for the 2013 championship (None became 5 year albatrosses). Plus, he arguable made the best trade in Red Sox history when he dumped CC & Beckett on the Dodgers (and AGon declined sharply not long afterwards, too).

[Kimmi]

He constructed a pretty good 2013 ML roster by signing moderate FAs to shorter term deals.

 

Exactly.

 

Which, IMO, is the way to sign FAs.

[moonslav59]

Well, he did draft Michael Kopech, Logan Allen and Jalen Beeks. It's just that his replacement traded them all away...

 

He also drafted Ty Buttrey and signed IFAs: Espinoza, D Hernandez & Gerson Bautista. (More may end up developing into ML pitchers in the next few years.)

[moonslav59]

Exactly.

 

Which, IMO, is the way to sign FAs.

 

While Vic declined sharply afterwards, it was only for 2 years after 2013 not 5 or 6.

[Kimmi]

Congrats to my Ben.

 

That is all.

[Kimmi]

While Vic declined sharply afterwards, it was only for 2 years after 2013 not 5 or 6.

 

That's exactly the point. If a contract doesn't work out, it's only for a couple of years.

[notin]

And, all the bad signings after 2013 made people forget about Vic, Uehara, David Ross, Napoli I and Drew I signed for the 2013 championship (None became 5 year albatrosses). Plus, he arguable made the best trade in Red Sox history when he dumped CC & Beckett on the Dodgers (and AGon declined sharply not long afterwards, too).

 

Let’s not go overboard with the “best trade in team history.” It was a big deal, and certainly had to be a tough sell. And the Sox did shed a lot of salary, but they also got absolutely nothing back.

 

When it comes to best trades in team history, this one falls far, far short of that one with Pavano and Armas.

 

And that other guy. Peter Martin? Or something like that...