Dave Bush hired as pitching coach

[notin]

I find it weird that many of the same people who praise DD for winning one title refuse to praise Cherington for winning one title...

[moonslav59]

I find it weird that many of the same people who praise DD for winning one title refuse to praise Cherington for winning one title...

 

Yes, the guy who got us a ring AND built up a strong farm for another to follow.

 

I guess those last place finishes override everything else.

[notin]

Yes, the guy who got us a ring AND built up a strong farm for another to follow.

 

I guess those last place finishes override everything else.

 

 

Despite having the same parades and flags as second place finishes...

[moonslav59]

Despite having the same parades and flags as second place finishes...

 

I'm fine with what all our last 3 GMs did, even 4 counting Dan D setting up Theo well.

 

They all made mistakes, but what GM never has?

 

I'm feeling better about our future with the moves we've made in management. Let's let this winter play out. I think we may be surprised how quickly the rebuild can happen. Maybe I'm wearing rose-colored glasses, but I'm pretty certain we're better off now than had we kept DD around.

 

(And, that's not meant to be a slam on DD. He's just not the guy we need for a rebuild.)

[Behindenemylines]

Bush hired as pitching coach. In reality it doesn’t matter who they hired if Sale, Price, And Eovaldi aren’t healthy next year.

[Elktonnick]

You're way off the mark. She has criticized many a move, most notably the replacement of Ben by DD.

 

Makes me now hope Betts gets traded.

 

Was that sarcasm? Careful you know how sarcasm offends the snowflakes out there.

[Bellhorn04]

Was that sarcasm? Careful you know how sarcasm offends the snowflakes out there.

 

You made fun of other people's opinions by way of heavy sarcasm, then got offended when someone described one of your opinions as idiotic.

 

A classic case of being able to dish it out, but not take it.

[Elktonnick]

You made fun of other people's opinions by way of heavy sarcasm, then got offended when someone described one of your opinions as idiotic.

 

A classic case of being able to dish it out, but not take it.

First of all I wasn't offended by Notin, but was merely pointed the fact that I never used the pejorative of stupid or idiotic but he had.

I grew up in an Italian American neighborhood in the fifties. Pejoratives from misinformed snowflakes do not offend me. BTW I guess we will be seeing you at the parade for the best minor league systems. Where do you think they will hold it, Lowell or Greenville SC?

[Kimmi]

Kimmi I would be thunderstuck if you weren't happy with the Bloom or Bush hiring. Not to be inpurtent, but I think Henry and Co could paint the green monster bright yellow and you would find a way to applaud the move.

 

LOL Not true.

 

Have you been here through the Dombrowski years?

[Kimmi]

Defending Ben who would have thunk it!

 

I have always prioritized building a strong farm system above everything else when it comes to building a strong franchise.

 

Ben did that and built the foundation for our success in the Dombrowski years. I will always defend Ben for that.

[Kimmi]

Yea I much rather have a top farm system than win the world series. I wonder many baseball fans prefer having a great double A team rather than a world series title. I am sure that all those Nats fans who lined the streets of Washington are really pissed because their farm system is only ranked 17th. NESN rating really soar when the broadcast those PawSox games too.

 

That's why every year the team with the top farm system gets a parade. Oh they don't get a parade. Gee I wonder why not?

 

Earth to Notin 99 percent of Red Sox fans could care less about the state of the farm system and that's not why DD got fired.

 

It is not an either/or thing though. It's just not.

 

The only way Dombrowski won that WS was because of the farm system and the home grown players that were in place when he got here.

[Elktonnick]

LOL Not true.

 

Have you been here through the Dombrowski years?

Kimmi, you are a good sport! Kimmi I have been there since the Joe Cronin years.

[Kimmi]

I may use sarcasm and am sardonic but I am not so crude as to refer to some one I disagree with as idiotic. And I did not call anyone in this series of posts stupid as the record will show. The only one to use that pejorative was you.

 

I don't know how much experience you have had hiring and firing people but I can assure you virtually every high performance organization does precisely that namely eschew an otherwise qualified internal candidate in favor of an outsider precisely to achieve a desired cultural technological shift especially when it comes to something like wishing an organization to revamp the way it preforms a particular task in this case revamp its approach toward pitching albeit a technical skill.

 

The budgetary constraints are totally self imposed. Henry knew what he was getting when he hired DD. DD did exactly what Henry wanted and expected him to do to win a title which he did. DD's termination had absolutely nothing to do with the state of the farm. DD was fired because of personality conflicts within the organization.

 

As to the state of the farm, you may find it as a reason to bemoan DDs tenure but I suspect very few of the two million plus Sox fans who watched that victory parade after the 2018 championship did. It simply was the price that Henry was willing to pay to win. As I said call me when they hold the parade for the franchise with the best farm system.

 

Once again, the flag does not fly if the farm system were not in place.

 

Also, while the fans might not bemoan the current state of the farm, they are certainly bemoaning the current constraints the Sox are under due to the reckless spending.

[Kimmi]

Bush was working for the Red Sox for three yeas. He was therefore the internal candidate not an outsider. As for the rest I think I made my point and I get you do not like sarcasm. Sorry you are so easily offended.

 

The sarcasm in your posts serves the same purpose as directly calling someone an idiot.

[Elktonnick]

It is not an either/or thing though. It's just not.

 

The only way Dombrowski won that WS was because of the farm system and the home grown players that were in place when he got here.

 

Gee wiz I never knew that! Of course the same can be said about Epstein and Cherrington. They all benefited from the team that the original DD, Dan Duquette built

[Kimmi]

I find it weird that many of the same people who praise DD for winning one title refuse to praise Cherington for winning one title...

 

Cherington deserves far more credit for Dombrowski's title than Dombrowski deserves.

[Kimmi]

Gee wiz I never knew that! Of course the same can be said about Epstein and Cherrington. They all benefited from the team that the original DD, Dan Duquette built

 

Of course. The point is that you need a strong farm system.

[Elktonnick]

Of course. The point is that you need a strong farm system.

Actually you don' t. The Nats won it all without a particular strong farm system. What you need is a farm system strong enough to produce a couple of prospects a. year.

[Elktonnick]

The sarcasm in your posts serves the same purpose as directly calling someone an idiot.

Directly calling some one an idiot is crude. Sarcasm is a respected form of rhetoric. used in debate. Just watch the debates in the House of Commons. The greatest orator of the 20th century regularly used sarcasm in his speeches. I speak of course of Winston Churchill.

[Elktonnick]

Cherington deserves far more credit for Dombrowski's title than Dombrowski deserves.

 

That is nonsense.

[Kimmi]

Actually you don' t. The Nats won it all without a particular strong farm system. What you need is a farm system strong enough to produce a couple of prospects a. year.

 

Directly calling some one an idiot is crude. Sarcasm is a respected form of rhetoric. used in debate. Just watch the debates in the House of Commons. The greatest orator of the 20th century regularly used sarcasm in his speeches. I speak of course of Winston Churchill.

 

That is nonsense.

 

We will have to disagree on all of these points.

[S5Dewey]

Once again, the flag does not fly if the farm system were not in place.

 

Also, while the fans might not bemoan the current state of the farm, they are certainly bemoaning the current constraints the Sox are under due to the reckless spending.

 

Hey... that's ME you're talking about!

[notin]

Directly calling some one an idiot is crude. Sarcasm is a respected form of rhetoric. used in debate. Just watch the debates in the House of Commons. The greatest orator of the 20th century regularly used sarcasm in his speeches. I speak of course of Winston Churchill.

 

Calling someone’s idea as idiotic is not the same as calling someone idiotic. After all, the purpose of your sarcasm was to call the ideas of others as idiotic. I’ve been on the backend of that exact criticism when I use sarcasm.

 

As said earlier - can dish it out, but not take it...

[Elktonnick]

Calling someone’s idea as idiotic is not the same as calling someone idiotic. After all, the purpose of your sarcasm was to call the ideas of others as idiotic. I’ve been on the backend of that exact criticism when I use sarcasm.

 

As said earlier - can dish it out, but not take it...

 

I find that amusing since you don't know me from Adam. As I said I wasn't one who resorted to the pejorative. I never called anyone's idea idiotic that was your inference obviously stemming from your recognition of the weakness of your contention which was intellectually indefensible which you were emotionally unable to accept and hence reacted with an emotional response. You can repeat yourself until dooms day and it won't change that fact that you interjected the pejorative.

[notin]

I find that amusing since you don't know me from Adam. As I said I wasn't one who resorted to the pejorative. I never called anyone's idea idiotic that was your inference obviously stemming from your recognition of the weakness of your contention which was intellectually indefensible which you were emotionally unable to accept and hence reacted with an emotional response. You can repeat yourself until dooms day and it won't change that fact that you interjected the pejorative.

 

Right. Let me live in your world where sarcasm counts as a compliment...

[Elktonnick]

Right. Let me live in your world where sarcasm counts as a compliment...

Watch the debate in the English House of Commons, it will broaden your horizons

[notin]

Watch the debate in the English House of Commons, it will broaden your horizons

 

And we all know they’re using sarcasm to be complimentary of each other as well...

[Bellhorn04]

Watch the debate in the English House of Commons, it will broaden your horizons

 

Something tells me there are a few pejoratives flying around.

[Elktonnick]

Something tells me there are a few pejoratives flying around.

 

I have only seen the Canadian House of Commons debate once or twice. Is question time in Canada as "interesting" as that in the UK?

[Elktonnick]

And we all know they’re using sarcasm to be complimentary of each other as well...

No they use sarcasm as a legitimate rhetorical debate device.