2020 Yankee Off-Season Thread

[jacksonianmarch]

You just cannot help yourself, can you troll. Well, I'll bite.

 

Chapman has been one of the best closers in baseball for his entire career. Yeah, he gave up a HR to Altuve. Yeah, it sucked. But Mariano Rivera blew two saves in an epic 3-0 series comeback vs his hated rivals and he ended up being okay. Singular bad moments don't define hall of fame players and Chapman is creating a hall of fame type career.

 

Yankees garbage? You really are a moron. Voit was injured the second half of the season. He got injured in London. Prior to London, his line was .279/.383/.508. No sooner did the Yankees season end than Voit was on the OR table fixing his sports hernia. He was recommended for surgery in July which would have ended his season. He stuck through to try and help the team win the title, but he was too injured to be of any good. Add that to his line from the end of 2018 and you have a full season of a guy hitting over .900 OPS. That isn't garbage you twit

 

German was an 18 game winner with solid K and walk rates and broke out in his first protracted taste of a big league rotation. Yes, his domestic case will be sticky, but he comes with at least 3 more years of control and an arsenal that will put him squarely in at least the middle of another team's rotation. Once again, not garbage. You really are a moron. Keep em comin troll

[jacksonianmarch]

Attention, especially of the negative variety, with an underlying theme of 'albatross contract for guy who can't stay healthy and should be a DH'.

 

Yet he was entirely healthy for 2018. Short memory. Stanton was just snakebite this year. There is no other way around it. He goes down with biceps tendinitis. They decide to inject a sore shoulder thinking he's gonna miss a month anyway. The shoulder becomes the bigger issue as he reacted to the injection and needed an additional month to recover. He returns, gets hit in the calf and tears his calf muscle. He returns, dives into third and tears his PCL. He returns too soon and pulls his quad. The only injuries there that worry you are the quad and the biceps. The quad is understandable since he was favoring the knee. The biceps was unprovoked. Other than that, what can you do? A calf tear on an HBP? Tearing a knee ligament sliding into third base face first? He will be healthy next year. He'll have an annual soft tissue injury of some sort. But I can bet anyone here that he wont be served with the same ridiculous s*** luck he was this year. He'll smack 40 homers, drive in 100 and he'll be the toast of the town next year.

[jacksonianmarch]

Rumors of the Yankees (more spitballing it seems) could be interested in a Villar/Givens package. The O’s are rumored to be DFA’ing Villar if he doesn’t get dealt, so I’d give almost nothing for him since his arb number looks to be around $11 mil. Givens is fine by me. Coming off a down season, he’s got the power to be really useful in this pen. I certainly wouldn’t give them anything of value

[Bellhorn04]

Yet he was entirely healthy for 2018. Short memory.

 

He wasn't entirely healthy for 2018. Yes, he played 158 games, but 86 of those were at DH. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that was because of some issues with his legs.

[jacksonianmarch]

He had some leg soreness intermittently, but DH was by design. Last year we would have needed him in the OF

[Bellhorn04]

He had some leg soreness intermittently, but DH was by design. Last year we would have needed him in the OF

 

In 2018 you guys were hurting in the outfield. Shane Robinson played 25 games. You made a deadline trade for McCutcheon.

[Meh]

Boston media suggests a red sox yankee trade,

"The Sox send Betts and lefthander Jay Groome to the Yankees for infielder Miguel Andujar, outfielder Clint Frazier, and righthanders Luis Gil and Mike King."

 

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2019/11/12/could-red-sox-and-yankees-make-blockbuster-trade/pyNj5IS7Moz3DeJ2c2rmdL/story.html

 

It'd be nice to have Betts, but can't see them trading him to the Yankees.

[Bellhorn04]

Boston media suggests a red sox yankee trade,

"The Sox send Betts and lefthander Jay Groome to the Yankees for infielder Miguel Andujar, outfielder Clint Frazier, and righthanders Luis Gil and Mike King."

 

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2019/11/12/could-red-sox-and-yankees-make-blockbuster-trade/pyNj5IS7Moz3DeJ2c2rmdL/story.html

 

It'd be nice to have Betts, but can't see them trading him to the Yankees.

 

No way in hell does it happen.

[jacksonianmarch]

Don’t want 1 year of $30 mil Betts and give away 4 years of Andujat plus Frazier, Gil and King. That’s a horrible deal for the Yanks

[Meh]

I wouldn't either, im just putting it out there in the slow part of the off season

[jacksonianmarch]

Andujar being groomed to be a multiposition defender. 1b, 3b, OF. He’s got a cannon. He’s got the hands. His errors came almost entirely on routine throws. It was weird. Diving plays, charging plays, bang bang plays, he nailed them. But anything where he had time, he’d sail it. He’d need work, but has the potential to be a good OFer. He’s got some speed and he has an arm. He also would be a great defender at 1b, IMO. He’d have range for days compared to his peers, his glove work wasn’t the issue and he wouldn’t have to worry about throws. My worry is that by turning him into a multi position defender is that he will never develop enough to be an option at 3b, where his maximum value would be unlocked

[notin]

Andujar being groomed to be a multiposition defender. 1b, 3b, OF. He’s got a cannon. He’s got the hands. His errors came almost entirely on routine throws. It was weird. Diving plays, charging plays, bang bang plays, he nailed them. But anything where he had time, he’d sail it. He’d need work, but has the potential to be a good OFer. He’s got some speed and he has an arm. He also would be a great defender at 1b, IMO. He’d have range for days compared to his peers, his glove work wasn’t the issue and he wouldn’t have to worry about throws. My worry is that by turning him into a multi position defender is that he will never develop enough to be an option at 3b, where his maximum value would be unlocked

 

 

Actually Inside Edge Fielding has Miguel Andujar doing very well in the routine plays but not making the more difficult ones...

[jacksonianmarch]

Actually Inside Edge Fielding has Miguel Andujar doing very well in the routine plays but not making the more difficult ones...

 

They clearly didn't watch any of the games notin. I saw over half his errors live and almost every single one of them was on a play where he had time and it was almost always on a throw

[notin]

They clearly didn't watch any of the games notin. I saw over half his errors live and almost every single one of them was on a play where he had time and it was almost always on a throw

 

I'm pretty sure the people at Inside Edge watched the games in some fashion.

 

Besides, bad defense is not always about errors...

[jacksonianmarch]

I'm pretty sure the people at Inside Edge watched the games in some fashion.

 

Besides, bad defense is not always about errors...

 

I hear you there. But how can he be good for routine plays when every error I saw was on a routine play and he made A LOT of them

[Meh]

Look for a Yankees trade within the next 24 hours. They are at 36 men on their 40 man and they will have to add 6 guys to protect them from the 40 man roster, plus perhaps trade some guys they don't plan on adding. I could see Cortes Jr going for some IFA cash and maybe Cessa for a someone our scouts like.

[jacksonianmarch]

Cortes is a good call. He’s got a big league future likely as a swing or bulk guy. Maybe in the back end of a rotation. But with our depth and the likely addition of a starter, he’s buried. My bet is the O’s would consider him

 

I don’t like the idea of dealing Cessa. He showed something this year, albeit inconsistently. I’m holding out hope he’s the next Chad Green in system

[Meh]

Who are you going to deal, Holder or Heller? also we'll have to make more moves if we end up signing any free agents.

[jacksonianmarch]

I deal Chance Adams and Steven Tarpley. With Chapman and Britton, a third lefty isn’t useful. I get that Tarpley may pull a Gallegos on us, but he is buried here and needs consistent reps to find his stuff

 

Chance Adams isn’t Chance Adams anymore. He had bone chips removed from his elbow before 2018 and he lost serious velocity and it never came back. I’d try to maximize return on him now before he loses all value

 

I’d also deal Cortes. He’s buried

[notin]

I deal Chance Adams and Steven Tarpley. With Chapman and Britton, a third lefty isn’t useful. I get that Tarpley may pull a Gallegos on us, but he is buried here and needs consistent reps to find his stuff

 

Chance Adams isn’t Chance Adams anymore. He had bone chips removed from his elbow before 2018 and he lost serious velocity and it never came back. I’d try to maximize return on him now before he loses all value

 

I’d also deal Cortes. He’s buried

 

Adams doesn't spund like he would garner much interest.

 

Baseballtradevalues.com gives these players the following surplus values:

 

Adams: $0

Cortes: $0

Tarpley: $1.1mill

 

The trio together don't project to be worth all that much. Basically every team in MLB has 3 pitchers like them already.

 

If the Yankees want, say, Jon Gray, who would be a great target for them, that site says the Yankees would need to give up a package of Deivi Garcia and Clarke Schmidt. If the Rockies have interest in Cliff Frazier for some unknown reason, that would certainly work out better for the Yankees...

[jacksonianmarch]

Adams doesn't spund like he would garner much interest.

 

Baseballtradevalues.com gives these players the following surplus values:

 

Adams: $0

Cortes: $0

Tarpley: $1.1mill

 

The trio together don't project to be worth all that much. Basically every team in MLB has 3 pitchers like them already.

 

If the Yankees want, say, Jon Gray, who would be a great target for them, that site says the Yankees would need to give up a package of Deivi Garcia and Clarke Schmidt. If the Rockies have interest in Cliff Frazier for some unknown reason, that would certainly work out better for the Yankees...

 

I am not saying we deal anyone on this list for anything more than IFA money. It is something Cash has done with great success in years past. I guess there were no bites this time around.

 

On another topic, the Yanks signed Zach Granite. He's a speedy OFer capable of playing all 3 positions. No power at all. Good average in the minors this past year, but piss poor patience. He sounds like a depth piece, hopefully not an opening day piece

[Meh]

Yankees dealt Cortes for IFA cash, good move. Hopefully someone takes a chance on Bird next.

[notin]

Yankees dealt Cortes for IFA cash, good move. Hopefully someone takes a chance on Bird next.

 

Sure.

 

Brian Johnson for Greg Bird. Who says no?

[Carpin]

Sure.

 

Brian Johnson for Greg Bird. Who says no?

 

Both say no

 

Both teams need space in the 40 man roster

[notin]

Both say no

 

Both teams need space in the 40 man roster

 

Except the Red Sox, who have a two open spots currently, and also plenty of DFA-able Sam Travis/Ryan Weber/Trevor Kelley types they can easily waive, watch go unclaimed, and re-sign to minor league deals if they still want them.

 

And the Yankees could do the same with Ben Heller...

Edited November 26, 2019 by notin

[Carpin]

it would be a good gamble for the Sox, they need a 1B and Bird is a monster in the plate when healthy, this is a huge question, the Yankees ran out of patience with him. I still see him as a non roster guest in ST with the yankees but I'm sure somebody will take the risk and sign him before then

[notin]

it would be a good gamble for the Sox, they need a 1B and Bird is a monster in the plate when healthy, this is a huge question, the Yankees ran out of patience with him. I still see him as a non roster guest in ST with the yankees but I'm sure somebody will take the risk and sign him before then

 

And the Yankees need SP. Johnson isn't going to fill a role at the top of any rotation outside of Korea, but the Yankees might want another lefty depth starter behind a rotation filled with aging question marks. They could easily get a better one than Johnson, but probably not by dealing Greg Bird...

[Carpin]

And the Yankees need SP. Johnson isn't going to fill a role at the top of any rotation outside of Korea, but the Yankees might want another lefty depth starter behind a rotation filled with aging question marks. They could easily get a better one than Johnson, but probably not by dealing Greg Bird...

 

The yankees need SP but Johnson is no more than a depth piece, like the recently traded Cortes. Johnson will need a roster space and the yankees are full, that's the reason I don't think this is good for them

[jacksonianmarch]

Not sure we need rotation depth. We have tons of it. We need a headliner. We don’t need a #10

[jacksonianmarch]

Except the Red Sox, who have a two open spots currently, and also plenty of DFA-able Sam Travis/Ryan Weber/Trevor Kelley types they can easily waive, watch go unclaimed, and re-sign to minor league deals if they still want them.

 

And the Yankees could do the same with Ben Heller...

 

We aren’t DFAing Ben Heller. We held the guy on the 40 man through his entire TJS and looked pretty good on his way back. No point in DFAing him and watching him go elsewhere