2020 Yankee Off-Season Thread

[notin]

I am now reading about how the Yanks intend on keeping Andujar and will probably stash him in AAA to start the year. I think that is a swell idea. Andujar is supposedly healthy and while shoulder injuries are never great, they're far more devastating to pitchers. Also, Miggy is pretty young. The big knock on Miggy is that he cannot field, or at least sucked in his one year of big league experience. Well, pulling him from the bright lights and forcing him to focus on his glove would be great. The other reason is because of Urshela. Gio was amazing last year, but it was FAR and away his best season of his career. Is he likely to replicate it? Not at all. But does he slip to a .270-20-70 guy, which would be perfectly acceptable as a good but not great glove man? Or does he slip to a .230, no power dumpster fire with the stick that he was previously? Nobody knows. Miggy is Urshela insurance. Gio is healthy, has the better glove and hit like Miggy last year. He also has no more MiLB options. Gio gets at least 2 months of rope here. If he reverts to a pile of s***, then Miggy rises and assumes his spot. If Gio continues to smash, then we have a great predicament. Then I would move Miggy all over the diamond as insurance and use him as a COF/CIF hybrid with the intent to get his stick in the lineup

 

 

So the guy cannit field, and the idea is to get him into more positions? Why not have him catch and play CF while you're at it?

 

First base is where all non-fielders go to die. Move Andujar to 1B. Bench Voit. If 2018 taught the Yankees anything, depth is a good thing.

 

Or... the Yankees could try some bizarre strategy where they move Miggy around the field, keep Sanchez behind the plate, get Stanton back into the OF, learn that Torres might not be much of a shortstop, and watch as defense becomes their Achilles Heel in 2020...

[bkzwhitestrican]

So the guy cannit field, and the idea is to get him into more positions? Why not have him catch and play CF while you're at it?

 

First base is where all non-fielders go to die. Move Andujar to 1B. Bench Voit. If 2018 taught the Yankees anything, depth is a good thing.

 

Or... the Yankees could try some bizarre strategy where they move Miggy around the field, keep Sanchez behind the plate, get Stanton back into the OF, learn that Torres might not be much of a shortstop, and watch as defense becomes their Achilles Heel in 2020...

 

We obviously want his bat in the lineup as often as possible since he could potentially be one of our top 3 hitters (if he doesn't regress from 2018). The problem is that there's not consistent playing time at any one position since the lineup is already pretty filled out. I think we just have to live with subpar defense at whatever position he plays, so might as well have him move around. Let him play LF when Stanton is DH, or 3B when Urshela gets a day off, or 1B when Voit get a day off, or DH when everyone else is playing. He at least has the arm to be an outfielder, and has more time to react out there (which seemed to be his issue at 3rd).

[jacksonianmarch]

Devers couldn’t field in his debut season either. He worked at it and got better. Miggy is working on his defense, whether he’s improved or not is TBD. He has a cannon and is fleet enough of foot to be a good OFer. Can he track and take good angles? No idea. He isn’t a Schwarber, slow and unathletic.

 

The problem for Miggy is that he’s on a win now team with a guy who played good D while also providing great offensive production at his position last year while he missed the season due to injury.

[notin]

Devers couldn’t field in his debut season either. He worked at it and got better. Miggy is working on his defense, whether he’s improved or not is TBD. He has a cannon and is fleet enough of foot to be a good OFer. Can he track and take good angles? No idea. He isn’t a Schwarber, slow and unathletic.

 

The problem for Miggy is that he’s on a win now team with a guy who played good D while also providing great offensive production at his position last year while he missed the season due to injury.

 

Even if it all works out for Andujar, Urshela is already a terrific defender at 3B. Voit slowed significantly in the second half last year, which might be from injury, but I think at some point it's just reality catching up with him. Bouncing Miggy around the field is NOT how you treat a young superstar hitter. And most definitely not how you help him improve at 3B. That's a white flag.

 

Bench Voit. Not trade, bench. Have the depth. Start Andujar at 1b...

[Slasher9]

not so much an offseason move comment as much as offseason prediction......500 team at best. will be surprised if they get to 90 wins. plus they now have another Albatross Contract. it will be fun watching the scumbag yankees org/FO try to wriggle out of the Cole contract like the did to Arod and Ells.

[jacksonianmarch]

not so much an offseason move comment as much as offseason prediction......500 team at best. will be surprised if they get to 90 wins. plus they now have another Albatross Contract. it will be fun watching the scumbag yankees org/FO try to wriggle out of the Cole contract like the did to Arod and Ells.

 

Lol, you said the same thing last year. Yankees will win at or over 100 games. We will decimate the sox this season with them finishing in a distant third. They'll be closer to Toronto than they will be to NY just like they were in 2019. This is the year

[notin]

not so much an offseason move comment as much as offseason prediction......500 team at best. will be surprised if they get to 90 wins. plus they now have another Albatross Contract. it will be fun watching the scumbag yankees org/FO try to wriggle out of the Cole contract like the did to Arod and Ells.

 

And now they are being sued by a former prospect ma,ed Garrison Lassiter who claims the Yankees suppressed and ruined his MLB career to accommodate Derek Jeter. Apparently they also ruined his collegiate football career at Miami and his basketball career at Alabama, and his law career at the unaccredited Mass Academy of Law. And important to note, the fact that he couldn't hit A-ball pitching was certainly not a factor in his not getting promoted...

[jacksonianmarch]

And now they are being sued by a former prospect ma,ed Garrison Lassiter who claims the Yankees suppressed and ruined his MLB career to accommodate Derek Jeter. Apparently they also ruined his collegiate football career at Miami and his basketball career at Alabama, and his law career at the unaccredited Mass Academy of Law. And important to note, the fact that he couldn't hit A-ball pitching was certainly not a factor in his not getting promoted...

 

That was pretty funny. I wonder if the guy might be having some sort of psychiatric ailment

[Meh]

That was pretty funny. I wonder if the guy might be having some sort of psychiatric ailment

 

Yes, it's sad. He is trying to sue everyone. I think he has had 4 or 5 open lawsuits. He has one against his gym for him not playing in the NBA, one against his trainer or agent for a failed NFL career, and one against the Reds too.

[jacksonianmarch]

Well, they announced Gardy and Tarpley has been DFAd

[notin]

Well, they announced Gardy and Tarpley has been DFAd

 

I thought Tarpley was supposed to be the incentive to get a team to take Happ's salary. I guess you're stuck with Happ now...

[notin]

That was pretty funny. I wonder if the guy might be having some sort of psychiatric ailment

 

Actually I think his case against the Yankees is pretty solid...

[jacksonianmarch]

I thought Tarpley was supposed to be the incentive to get a team to take Happ's salary. I guess you're stuck with Happ now...

 

I thought someone would take a flier on him. Good velo for a lefty, big slider, reasonable command in the minors. His issue was he s*** his pants in the majors

[notin]

I thought someone would take a flier on him. Good velo for a lefty, big slider, reasonable command in the minors. His issue was he s*** his pants in the majors

 

And now someone will take a flier on him...

[Carpin]

And now someone will take a flier on him...

 

He is nothing more than an extra player in any trade, not a first or secondary piece in a trade for anything of value.

[notin]

He is nothing more than an extra player in any trade, not a first or secondary piece in a trade for anything of value.

 

... which is why I thought it odd that someone thought he was good enough enticement to take on Happ's contract...

[jacksonianmarch]

I thought he’d be a good enough enticement to get the Brewers to absorb a little more money, that’s all. But there was an article about this move that made a ton of sense. Tarpley allowed a .168 BA to lefties but got destroyed by righties. With the new 3 batter rule going in, guys like Tarpley are going to become obsolete

[notin]

I thought he’d be a good enough enticement to get the Brewers to absorb a little more money, that’s all. But there was an article about this move that made a ton of sense. Tarpley allowed a .168 BA to lefties but got destroyed by righties. With the new 3 batter rule going in, guys like Tarpley are going to become obsolete

 

Not to mention, he was never much of an enticement anyway.

 

The Giants took on Zack Cozart’s contract to get first rounder Will Wilson. Cozart makes about 2/3 of what Happ makes. Translation - it’s going to take an actual good prospect to get a team interested in Happ. Guys like Tarpley and Cessa won’t work. It might take someone more like Estevan Flovial, Everson Pereira or Clarke Schmidt...

[moonslav59]

Not to mention, he was never much of an enticement anyway.

 

The Giants took on Zack Cozart’s contract to get first rounder Will Wilson. Cozart makes about 2/3 of what Happ makes. Translation - it’s going to take an actual good prospect to get a team interested in Happ. Guys like Tarpley and Cessa won’t work. It might take someone more like Estevan Flovial, Everson Pereira or Clarke Schmidt...

 

The Giants- the only team to rival the Sox with WS victories, recently (3 in 5 years not too long ago) have a lot of dead weight and overpaid players, even after losing Bumgarner.

 

Posey owed $45M+/2

Cueto owed $47M+/2

Longoria $59M/3

Samardzija $19.8M/1

B Belt $34.4M/2

Crawford $30.3M/2

Cozart $12.7M/1

[jacksonianmarch]

Not to mention, he was never much of an enticement anyway.

 

The Giants took on Zack Cozart’s contract to get first rounder Will Wilson. Cozart makes about 2/3 of what Happ makes. Translation - it’s going to take an actual good prospect to get a team interested in Happ. Guys like Tarpley and Cessa won’t work. It might take someone more like Estevan Flovial, Everson Pereira or Clarke Schmidt...

 

Zach Cozart has been injured for two years and is coming off shoulder surgery

[notin]

Zach Cozart has been injured for two years and is coming off shoulder surgery

 

He’s also 3 years younger, makes $5mill less and was a 5fWAR player before his injuries.

 

You’ve always stated Happ was a worthwhile gamble to return to his previous level. Cozart is even less of a gamble.

 

Or - maybe you’re right and all some team needs to get excited about Happ is someone like Tarpley, Cessa or Holder. Of course, if that’s all it takes to shed $17mill, it does pose the obvious question about why it hasn’t happened yet...

Edited January 14, 2020 by notin

[Carpin]

He’s also 3 years younger, makes $5mill less and was a 5fWAR player before his injuries.

 

You’ve always stated Happ was a worthwhile gamble to return to his previous level. Cozart is even less of a gamble.

 

Or - maybe you’re right and all some team needs to get excited about Happ is someone like Tarpley, Cessa or Holder. Of course, if that’s all it takes to shed $17mill, it does pose the obvious question about why it hasn’t happened yet...

 

Holder and Cessa don't belong in the same group with Tarpley, these two had some level of success in the past few season, I'm willing to bet that Cessa will take a step up this season as one of the most reliable arms in the Yankees BP, Holder has still some injury concerns, Tarpley is just a guy who is just potential and no results for a couple years now

[bkzwhitestrican]

Tarpley may end up being good down the line like some other castoffs with potential we've had (Kirby Yates, Gio Gallegos, Mark Melancon, James Pazos) but the Yankees are in win now mode and he has the least to offer out of any one else on the 40 man roster.

[notin]

Holder and Cessa don't belong in the same group with Tarpley, these two had some level of success in the past few season, I'm willing to bet that Cessa will take a step up this season as one of the most reliable arms in the Yankees BP, Holder has still some injury concerns, Tarpley is just a guy who is just potential and no results for a couple years now

 

Cessa and Holder are certainly better than Tarpley, but I don't think any of the three will entice a team to take Happ's contract. And maybe that will work out to the Yankees advantage. Certainly they are aware of the effects of injuries by now and would be flat out stupid to not be prepared for them in 2020...

[Carpin]

Cessa and Holder are certainly better than Tarpley, but I don't think any of the three will entice a team to take Happ's contract. And maybe that will work out to the Yankees advantage. Certainly they are aware of the effects of injuries by now and would be flat out stupid to not be prepared for them in 2020...

 

I agree, the Yankees will be selling low in all three if they trade them away this offseason (specially Cessa and Holder). There are things that you can be sure are coming, Death, taxes and injuries

[jacksonianmarch]

Yanks are also loading up on minor league lefties. Yanks picked up Avilan and Lyons. Neither are expected to make the team, but AAA depth ain’t too bad.

 

It seems to be all quiet on the Yankee front. There was chatter about Hader and then chatter about the Yanks moving a combo of Frazier and or Andujar for another reliever. It seems all of that chatter has fizzled. I like the squad we have. I like the depth. Cole and Sevy, if they stay healthy, are a fearsome top 2, quite possibly the best top 2 in baseball. Our 3-4 are damn good as well and if Paxton puts it together in his contract year (as many players do), he could give us a 3 headed monster. Our 4 is a playoff ace in Tanaka. The pen is deep and closed out by 2 elite level closers. The lineup is deep, powerful and has tons of contingencies. There are no excuses in 2020

[jacksonianmarch]

Happ will be the Yanks 5th starter per Cashman. JMont likely to AAA. May actually get an extra year of control by doing so.

[jacksonianmarch]

So the Yanks are now painted into a corner with Happ and that makes it all the more likely that they end up above the final threshold and will move their pick back 10 slots. It's not like they do s*** with their first rounders anyway! My bet is they keep Happ to midseason. If he is good, move him to a place that will want him for 2021. If he sucks, he may get cut once the cavalry arrives. If he is in the middle, he will hang in there likely as a long reliever.

[jacksonianmarch]

Yanks have added Tony Zych and Chad Bettis. Neither are likely to make the club out of ST