The JD opt out

[Fan_since_Boggs]

I don't support paying Bradley under any circumstance. The guy has proven time and time again that he isn't going to hit consistently. I would rather go with a cheap alternative in CF, see how that works out, and then go with the kids later in the season. I would also prefer investing Bradley's 10 m toward a SP or a relief pitcher like W.Smith.

 

I would rather pay M.Moustakas 10 m. I wonder how much he will get in free agency? He could play a decent 1b and provide some pop in the lineup, making it easier to use Dalbec in a trade.

Edited November 5, 2019 by Fan_since_Boggs

[moonslav59]

I don't support paying Bradley under any circumstances. The guy has proven time and time again that he isn't going to hit consistently. I would rather go with a cheap alternative in CF, see how that works out, and then go with the kids later in the season. I would also prefer investing Bradley's 10 m toward a SP or a relief pitcher like W.Smith.

 

What kids? Duran is the only ML ready OF'er in the minors with any hopes, and his high BAbip makes him highly questionable.

[Monster24]

Does Dalbec have any trade value? No MLB experience and fairly old for a prospect

[harmony]

I don't support paying Bradley under any circumstance. The guy has proven time and time again that he isn't going to hit consistently. I would rather go with a cheap alternative in CF, see how that works out, and then go with the kids later in the season. I would also prefer investing Bradley's 10 m toward a SP or a relief pitcher like W.Smith.

 

I would rather pay M.Moustakas 10 m. I wonder how much he will get in free agency? He could play a decent 1b and provide some pop in the lineup, making it easier to use Dalbec in a trade.

MLB Trade Rumors projects Mike Moustakas to get a two-year, $20 million contact with the Atlanta Braves:

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/11/mlb-free-agent-predictions-2020.html

[fxkatt]

Does JD have a no-trade option in his contract for 3 specific teams? If so, that can hinder any trade, esp given that the NL is already presumably eliminated from trade talks.

 

just found this from theScore: He also has a limited no-trade clause allowing him to block deals to three teams of his choice. The three teams aren't known, though he'll apparently have a chance to change the list (if he chooses) this month, according to Cotillo.

Edited November 5, 2019 by fxkatt

[VJCPatriot]

Benitendi is on a cheap deal, and it's possible you can move him to CF. He's the best insurance in case you lose both Betts and JBJ this offseason.

 

Bloom is going to make some hard choices, but I don't think Beni is going anywhere when the prerogative is to move big salaries out.

[moonslav59]

Benitendi is on a cheap deal, and it's possible you can move him to CF. He's the best insurance in case you lose both Betts and JBJ this offseason.

 

Bloom is going to make some hard choices, but I don't think Beni is going anywhere when the prerogative is to move big salaries out.

 

Better to just sign a cheal CF'er and not expose Beni to ridicule.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I hope JD learns to spit on the two-strike slider in the dirt, has a great year, and leads Boston back to the postseason. If that's the cause, expect the effects a year from now to be he either opts out then (when his salary dips 4.4 mil) or the Sox renegotiate JD's contract to keep him as a line-up linchpin. Put it this way: if a year from now JD Martinez doesn't opt out, then 2020 will have been a bummer of a summer.

[jacksonianmarch]

So JD stays. Merloni was talking about this on the way home. He says this allows the Sox to deal off Betts and keep a pretty good offense. Also, this spells the end for JBJ as they need to free up some cash. Not sure if he’s right, but Merloni knows baseball and certainly has some history with the Sox

[Swiharts Ghost]

Does Dalbec have any trade value? No MLB experience and fairly old for a prospect

 

Only my opinion but I like this kids makeup and his bat could play well at Fenway .I don't think hes a full time player .But but but we have a GM that may see much more .I keep This kid I have a feeling about the guy surprising us all .Wouldn't that be great ? And cheap .

[jacksonianmarch]

Only my opinion but I like this kids makeup and his bat could play well at Fenway .I don't think hes a full time player .But but but we have a GM that may see much more .I keep This kid I have a feeling about the guy surprising us all .Wouldn't that be great ? And cheap .

 

The Rays were dangerous because they had multiple versatile players on the squad and a B team that subbed in well vs lefties. They were deep as well which helped them handle their ridiculous injuries.

[moonslav59]

So JD stays. Merloni was talking about this on the way home. He says this allows the Sox to deal off Betts and keep a pretty good offense. Also, this spells the end for JBJ as they need to free up some cash. Not sure if he’s right, but Merloni knows baseball and certainly has some history with the Sox

 

You sound so sure. We could trade JD or Price or Eovaldi or 2 of those 3.

 

I wouldn't mind us trading Betts, if we made a strong push for him in 2021.

[jacksonianmarch]

You sound so sure. We could trade JD or Price or Eovaldi or 2 of those 3.

 

I wouldn't mind us trading Betts, if we made a strong push for him in 2021.

 

They were saying Betts is gonna shoot for Trout money. He doesn't have the body to be a good 12 year investment. He just doesn't

[Swiharts Ghost]

It's definitely looking like mookie wants 300 plus .Time to make a trade

[Larry Cook]

It's definitely looking like mookie wants 300 plus .Time to make a trade

 

Betts does really good in the even numbered years. If our starters return healthy in 2020, hanging on to Betts might be the smarter play.

[Swiharts Ghost]

Agree Larry but maybe if we wait too long his value may really crater for the team .Tough call for Bloom .Reset or Quick reset lol No idea best way to go .

[moonslav59]

They were saying Betts is gonna shoot for Trout money. He doesn't have the body to be a good 12 year investment. He just doesn't

 

He'll only get what one team agrees to pay him. If someone offers him $12 years at $30M+ then I doubt we'll match it.

 

Players often don't get what they and their agents ask for up front.

[jacksonianmarch]

He'll only get what one team agrees to pay him. If someone offers him $12 years at $30M+ then I doubt we'll match it.

 

Players often don't get what they and their agents ask for up front.

 

If that’s what he’s looking for, though, then he is gonna go to FA and dealing him to get under the LT makes more sense

[Bellhorn04]

But only a $21mill AAV.

 

Now if he does opt out next year, the average value of his 3 year contract in Boston does go up. Does MLB retroactively adjust this for luxury tax implications from 2018 and 2019?

 

I'm pretty sure there are no retroactive adjustments, but there are 'true-up' adjustments - which the Yankees are getting because of Chapman's opt-out and new deal.

[S5Dewey]

So JD stays. Merloni was talking about this on the way home. He says this allows the Sox to deal off Betts and keep a pretty good offense. Also, this spells the end for JBJ as they need to free up some cash. Not sure if he’s right, but Merloni knows baseball and certainly has some history with the Sox

 

I see this as being the least likely scenario now. If the Sox are looking to cut payroll and look to the future at the same time now is the time to part with Mookie. While keeping "a pretty good offense" is undoubtedly important at the same time so is keeping a pretty good defense.

 

Now that JDM has opted in the Sox have a choice to make.

- Divesting themselves of both JBJ & & Mookie will decimate the outfield. Given the propensity for launch angle & the Manfred Missile this may not be a wise choice for a team that has any ideas of being a contender.

- Keeping Mookie and letting JBJ go may be the best option but it's also the most expensive one.

- Keeping JBJ and letting Mookie go is less expensive but we lose Mookie's offense. Defensively, it's already been established that we can replace Mookie's defense because MLB is loaded with great glove - no hit outfielders who can be signed for chicken feed. So the net loss is his offense. Is Mookie's offense worth his salary?

- JBJ's arb salary + JDM's salary will about equal what it will cost to keep Mookie.

 

The choice is pretty clear if the team wants to be somewhat competitive in 2020 and yet cut salary: Mookie has to go.

[Bellhorn04]

The option of trading JD is still on the table, of course.

[OH FOY]

According to Sean McAdam, we are over 208 Million right now, counting Arbitration, (1-3 years of service time), and 15 million in Players benefits, and rounding out the Roster.

This without adding anybody at the moment.

Edited November 5, 2019 by OH FOY!

[S5Dewey]

The option of trading JD is still on the table, of course.

 

I'd like to think that option was discussed with JDM before he opted in.

[OH FOY]

With 3 teams he cant be Traded too, (contract), figuring its the AL, plus wont deal with the Yanks, No NL teams, how many teams might want him?

5? Will have to eat money, looks like, if we were to move him.

Rays, O's, KC, A's, Guardians, don't look like they will want a expensive DH.

Edited November 5, 2019 by OH FOY!

[Bellhorn04]

I'd like to think that option was discussed with JDM before he opted in.

 

I certainly get that, but I don't think it necessarily was.

[jacksonianmarch]

With 3 teams he cant be Traded too, (contract), figuring its the AL, plus wont deal with the Yanks, No NL teams, how many teams might want him?

5? Will have to eat money, looks like, if we were to move him.

Rays, O's, KC, A's, Guardians, don't look like they will want a expensive DH.

 

And he gets to change the list of 3 teams this week. My bet is he has changed that list to include the White Sox and Rangers. If he really wants to stay, knock out the chance he gets dealt to his 2 most likely suitors

[Slasher9]

i am shocked. apparently the market for a .304/.383/.557 DH only type is less then $60MM / 3 years. maybe that makes sense as we basically were bidding against ourselves for JD's contract a couple years ago when he was younger/sort of played OF. in hindsight we paid the greatest DH of all time far less $$ and he didn't embarrass himself when he needed to don a glove in an NL park....

the winners of this decision: JD, TB, NYY, Tor, Bal

the losers: RedSox

 

we now have to cut/trade 2 of the greatest outfielders to ever wear a red sox uniform. thanks Dave!!!!

 

so glad i bought Manny a Xander jersey instead of Betts jersey......

[S5Dewey]

i am shocked. apparently the market for a .304/.383/.557 DH only type is less then $60MM / 3 years. maybe that makes sense as we basically were bidding against ourselves for JD's contract a couple years ago when he was younger/sort of played OF. in hindsight we paid the greatest DH of all time far less $$ and he didn't embarrass himself when he needed to don a glove in an NL park....

the winners of this decision: JD, TB, NYY, Tor, Bal

the losers: RedSox

 

we now have to cut/trade 2 of the greatest outfielders to ever wear a red sox uniform. thanks Dave!!!!

 

so glad i bought Manny a Xander jersey instead of Betts jersey......

 

Ya. I invested a significant amount of money in two Betts jerseys for my (growing) granddaughter. What was I thinking?? LOL

[S5Dewey]

I certainly get that, but I don't think it necessarily was.

 

I know they have the right to sign & then trade (or in this case say or imply that they weren't going to trade JDM) but it seems unethical to me. I would think that a team's doing this would make players look askance at any deal with that team in the future.

 

I'm still smarting from what the FO did to Bronson Arroyo - he took a hometown discount to stay with the Sox and they immediately traded him.

[Bellhorn04]

I know they have the right to sign & then trade (or in this case say or imply that they weren't going to trade JDM) but it seems unethical to me. I would think that a team's doing this would make players look askance at any deal with that team in the future.

 

I'm still smarting from what the FO did to Bronson Arroyo - he took a hometown discount to stay with the Sox and they immediately traded him.

 

I don't see it as unethical here. JD had the freedom to opt in or opt out. He may have opted in simply because Scott Boras advised him that it was better for him financially.

 

The Red Sox have virtually shouted to the heavens that they're trying to cut payroll, and JD already made reference to this himself.