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CRACIN: a keeper? 15 game winner for Milwaukee

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There's no harm in having some optimism about him.

 

Optimism seems to be in short supply around here right now. :-(

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There's no harm in having some optimism about him.

 

Like to see him go 5 innings right now. I’m not sure why they have him on such a short leash

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Is Chacin your next Weber?

 

Have you given up on Weber, yet?

Weber is a mystery. The first time I saw him pitch, mosr of his arm angle pitches came at a 30-49 degree arm anggle. He was hittimg glove. He mixrd that with occassional over the top pitches. The niext time h looked like a different pitcher. The stint after that was even worse.

 

I have no idea where Cora got this pitching coach, but I hope we see a real one next year, Never in the history of baseball have we seen a pitching staff go to hell like this one has.

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Weber is a mystery. The first time I saw him pitch, mosr of his arm angle pitches came at a 30-49 degree arm anggle. He was hittimg glove. He mixrd that with occassional over the top pitches. The niext time h looked like a different pitcher. The stint after that was even worse.

 

I have no idea where Cora got this pitching coach, but I hope we see a real one next year, Never in the history of baseball have we seen a pitching staff go to hell like this one has.

 

With all due respect, I think almost every player that makes the bigs looks good for short periods of time. If we happen to just watch for that short sample size, it's easy to get an inflated opinion on the guy.

 

It's better to withhold definitive statements until sample sizes are large enough to have a better idea of the true nature of a given player's talent level. That does not mean we can't get our hopes up every time someone looks good for a couple games, but when those numbers are at odds with the player's minor league history, we should be more cautious with our enthusiasm.

 

Chacin has looked pretty good, but let's see how he looks after a few more starts and IP'd.

 

 

 

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With all due respect, I think almost every player that makes the bigs looks good for short periods of time. If we happen to just watch for that short sample size, it's easy to get an inflated opinion on the guy.

 

It's better to withhold definitive statements until sample sizes are large enough to have a better idea of the true nature of a given player's talent level. That does not mean we can't get our hopes up every time someone looks good for a couple games, but when those numbers are at odds with the player's minor league history, we should be more cautious with our enthusiasm.

 

Chacin has looked pretty good, but let's see how he looks after a few more starts and IP'd.

 

 

 

 

Were are looking for some low cost pitching for next season and at least he has shown possibility. Johnson and Velazquez have not.

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Were are looking for some low cost pitching for next season and at least he has shown possibility. Johnson and Velazquez have not.

 

Actually, Johnson and Velazquez have shown some good stretches over their careers.

 

Look, I have little faith in Johnson or Velazquez, in fact, I have close to zero faith in either of them, but I see Chacin in about the same way- maybe a little better. I'd bring all 3 back next spring along with others and see who may shine. Chances are none of these three will, but the more we bring back, the better chance we have that one or two turn out okay.

 

Johnson looked very promising in 2018. That was not that long ago. Again, I have little hope in Brian, but that 2018 sample size is way bigger than Chacin's brief flash of goodness.

 

Johnson had 13 starts, last year. We went 9-4 in his starts and he had a 4.15 ERA. Overall, he pitched just under 100 IP with a 4.17 ERA. (MLB: 4.84 ERA in 166 IP/ AAA: 3.21 ERA in 278 IP/AA 2.83 ERA in 124 IP)

 

Velazquez had 8 starts in 2018. He also had 1 4.15 ERA as a SP'er, and we went 5-3 in his starts. Hector has already proven he can go 85 IP with a 3.18 ERA (2018). (MLB: 3.85 in 161 IP/ AAA- 2.34 ERA in 119 IP/ Mexican League 3.76 ERA in 687 IP)

 

I don't expect him to do that in 2020, but I think we should bring him back.

 

Chacin has a long history in MLB. He's been good and very good, at times. He has a 4.00 ERA from 2016-2018 with a 1.28 WHIP. Sure, there's hope. Sure, I'dlike to see him in the mix next spring. He's had longer stretches of success than Johnson and Velazquez, but he also has looked as bad as them both. He was at 5.79 with MIL, this year with a 1.52 WHIP in 89 IP. He's been over 4.80 in 3 of his last 6 seasons. He's been under 3.90 the other 3.

 

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This cracin guy is horrible! I understand signing him now out of total desperation, but why would we want him anywhere within a 100 mile radius of Fenway next year!
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This cracin guy is horrible! I understand signing him now out of total desperation, but why would we want him anywhere within a 100 mile radius of Fenway next year!

 

He was the best starting pitcher on a team that made the NLCS last year. But hey, one bad inning, right?

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He was the best starting pitcher on a team that made the NLCS last year. But hey, one bad inning, right?

 

You might want to look at his last three starts. His stuff is weak. He serves up more meatballs per hitter than Porcello!!!!

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You might want to look at his last three starts. His stuff is weak. He serves up more meatballs per hitter than Porcello!!!!

 

You mean the games that hadn’t been pitched when I made that post?

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