Billie Beane time ???

[Slasher9]

I am entirely, 100% convinced that you’ve seen the best from Sale. His arm just cannot handle it anymore. He either dials down and becomes more hittable or he continues to sell out for velocity and gets hurt. Price, similar as well, although he’s adjusted to his lost velocity. He just cannot stay healthy. Eovaldi is showing you what i saw for a couple years in the Bronx. Great stuff, intermittent dominance mixed with maddening inconsistency and major injuries. His choices to lead his rotation will haunt the Sox for years

 

take your stupid f***ing opinion on sale and stick it up your ass. this thread is about Brad Pitt becoming our GM and you need to drag Sale thru bronx mud???

[Larry33]

I thought that trade was Hoyer and either Cherington or Byrnes...

 

The trade was orchestrated by Hoyer and Lajoie Cherington was oppose to the trade because it involved his beloved Hanley Ramirez but he was out voted by the rest of the group. He liked Ramirez so much he brought him back to the Red Sox to play left field.

[notin]

I am entirely, 100% convinced that you’ve seen the best from Sale. His arm just cannot handle it anymore. He either dials down and becomes more hittable or he continues to sell out for velocity and gets hurt. Price, similar as well, although he’s adjusted to his lost velocity. He just cannot stay healthy. Eovaldi is showing you what i saw for a couple years in the Bronx. Great stuff, intermittent dominance mixed with maddening inconsistency and major injuries. His choices to lead his rotation will haunt the Sox for years

 

If Sale is struggling with his lost velocity, it certainly isn't showing up in his strikeout numbers. His 13.32 K/9 is the second highest of his MLB career, behind last year's 13.50, despite a fastball coming in an average of 1.5 mph slower than in 2018...

[notin]

The trade was orchestrated by Hoyer and Lajoie Cherington was oppose to the trade because it involved his beloved Hanley Ramirez but he was out voted by the rest of the group. He liked Ramirez so much he brought him back to the Red Sox to play left field.

 

Hanley Ramirez reportedly had a hand in that, with his agent calling Boston to relay that Hanley would take a lesser deal to return...

[jacksonianmarch]

If Sale is struggling with his lost velocity, it certainly isn't showing up in his strikeout numbers. His 13.32 K/9 is the second highest of his MLB career, behind last year's 13.50, despite a fastball coming in an average of 1.5 mph slower than in 2018...

 

No issue with velo, but his OPSa when throwing fastballs under 95mph is over 1.000

[Bellhorn04]

We hope.

 

This is one of the repeatedly questioned deals that reportedly lead to DD's firing and is often named as why the Sox might be moving Betts...

 

I don't think this deal had much to do with the firing. We'll never know of course.

 

But JH appeared to be behind this 100%, saying they didn't want to make the same mistake they made with Lester.

 

As for the health of Sale's arm, DD isn't a doctor and he had to rely on the team's medical staff.

[moonslav59]

Settle down a bit, Jax. Eovaldi's injuries the last 2 seasons haven't been major.

 

Just a wee bit of negative bias in your forecast.

 

Funny how E-O's look major but Paxton, who has never gone more than 161 IP, are minor.

[harmony]

Funny how E-O's look major but Paxton, who has never gone more than 161 IP, are minor.

Boston righthander Nathan Eovaldi has not exceeded 124.2 innings in season since 2015 and is five seasons removed from his career-best 199.2 innings in 2014:

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/e/eovalna01.shtml

 

Eovaldi has pitched a total of 163.2 regular-season innings since 2016.

[Bellhorn04]

Boston righthander Nathan Eovaldi has not exceeded 124.2 innings in season since 2015 and is five seasons removed from his career-best 199.2 innings in 2014:

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/e/eovalna01.shtml

 

Eovaldi has pitched a total of 163.2 regular-season innings since 2016.

 

Yes, the innings totals tend to get knocked down by Tommy John surgery.

 

He actually pitched 133.1 innings last year, if you would be so kind as to admit postseason innings as innings that should count.

[notin]

Funny how E-O's look major but Paxton, who has never gone more than 161 IP, are minor.

 

Paxton is a guy I would have never touched. There is something about those Canadian pitchers that just screams "I need Tommy John Surgery" so often, the words should be incorporated into the national anthem...

[Bellhorn04]

Paxton is a guy I would have never touched. There is something about those Canadian pitchers that just screams "I need Tommy John Surgery" so often, the words should be incorporated into the national anthem...

 

The cold air makes arms more brittle.

[moonslav59]

Boston righthander Nathan Eovaldi has not exceeded 124.2 innings in season since 2015 and is five seasons removed from his career-best 199.2 innings in 2014:

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/e/eovalna01.shtml

 

Eovaldi has pitched a total of 163.2 regular-season innings since 2016.

 

I know, but that was not my point.

 

Sale, who has the second best xFIP this year, is toast, because his velo is down. Price has pitched limited innings recently. He's toast.

 

Sevy missed almost the whole year, but his velo is the same, so he's not toast.

 

Eo has missed a ton of time and is toast.

 

Paxton has missed a ton of time but is going to be great because he's had 4 straight good outtings.

 

I see a pattern. You should, too.

[moonslav59]

IP

Price: 248, 220, 230, 75, 176, 107= toast

Sale: 209, 227, 214, 158, 147= toast

Eovaldi: 199.2, 154, 125, 0, 11, 53= toast

 

Paxton: (highest in minor leagues 145)

74, 67, 121, 136, 160, 139= headed for greatness and about to lead the Yanks to the first ring since 2009!

Severino: 193, 191, 0= no concerns- headed for greatness.

 

Sale has more IP than Paxton the last 2 years. Price is just 16 IP behind. That may change, soon, but you get my point, right?

Edited September 11, 2019 by moonslav59

[Kimmi]

Problem is Theo holds the same position with the Cubs that DD had with the Red Sox. It would be a lateral move which are generally frowned upon in MLB. At best the Cubs would want significant compensation, and it will be far beyond what the teams worked out last time.

 

Valid point about the lateral move. It's not happening, but Theo would most definitely be my pick.

[Swiharts Ghost]

Well the Billie wishful thinking on my part seems mute .Hazen not happening either .Any ideas folks ?

[notin]

The cold air makes arms more brittle.

 

Actually the theory I heard was the shortened Little League and high school seasons growing up...

[Bellhorn04]

Actually the theory I heard was the shortened Little League and high school seasons growing up...

 

Yeah, I would take those theories over my silly joke.

[dgalehouse]

Billy Beane has found a nice , little comfort zone in Oakland . He gets praise for any success and little or no blame for any failures . He makes a lot of money and has become famous . There is minimal pressure . The expectations are modest . He is happy .

[Swiharts Ghost]

Pipe dream of mine I guess if we can't have Theo back ? I tend to shoot for the Moon .We can lock this up I guess.