DD Fired. Big Ppi on Hand. Coincidence?

[bosoxmal]

Stay tuned. There is no one in the USA that knows more about baseball than David Ortiz

 

Heavy accents are not the practical problems they were when you and I were young!

[S5Dewey]

Stay tuned. There is no one in the USA that knows more about baseball than David Ortiz

 

Heavy accents are not the practical problems they were when you and I were young!

 

That's an interesting point. It makes one wonder why those two guys just happened to be on hand in Fenway tonight. Doesn't it?

 

Could it be the Red Sox PR Machine causing it?

[Swiharts Ghost]

Don't follow ? What are you saying ?

[bosoxmal]

That's an interesting point. It makes one wonder why those two guys just happened to be on hand in Fenway tonight. Doesn't it?

 

Could it be the Red Sox PR Machine causing it?

That would be part of it. Pb the face of it, it sounds crazy. But who would you like negotiating with Mookie next year? Who would like evaluating that mob of pitchers?

 

BB G

[bosoxmal]

I'm saying Bog Papi would make one hell of a GM!

[Tedballgame]

I'm saying Bog Papi would make one hell of a GM!

You are joking, right?

[illinoisredsox]

You are joking, right?

 

Mal has a serious man crush on Big Papi. Personally, I don’t see why David would ever want to wade into the world of baseball management at any level.

[Swiharts Ghost]

Big Papi has bigger aspersions than GM of the Red Sox think Leader of a Country .

[Swiharts Ghost]

Maybe just maybe this time we get Billie Beane ?

[notin]

I'm saying Bog Papi would make one hell of a GM!

 

No.

[notin]

Maybe just maybe this time we get Billie Beane ?

 

Beane is a part owner of the Oakland franchise. He’s not leaving...

[oldtimer]

Get someone with genuine credentials for building a farm, running a team and making hard decisions. Big Papi is not that guy although he is through and through a baseball man and a Sox legend.

[S5Dewey]

Don't follow ? What are you saying ?

 

I wasn't saying anything as nefarious as Ortiz was there because he's being groomed for any job within the organization. My thought was that *possibly* Ortiz had been invited to the first game (and given that prime seat beside the dougout) after DD was fired as a PR move to indicate to the fans that Ortiz was still coming to games in spite of the firing. The next logical fan assumption would be that everything is OK in RSN...no need to worry... just keep coming to games.

 

DD's firing was announced on the same day the Pats season started.

Ortiz shows up at a game.

- One thing I've learned in life is that in the world of business there's are almost no coincidences.

[harmony]

Get someone with genuine credentials for building a farm, running a team and making hard decisions. Big Papi is not that guy although he is through and through a baseball man and a Sox legend.

Someone like Seattle GM Jerry Dipoto, who has recent experience building a farm system while dumping big contracts .. and leading a team to 90+ losses in a "stepped-back" season.

 

But not Dipoto specifically.

[notin]

Someone like Seattle GM Jerry Dipoto, who has recent experience building a farm system while dumping big contracts .. and leading a team to 90+ losses in a "stepped-back" season.

 

But not Dipoto specifically.

 

If we wanted a GM to make the Sox 26 games worse over the course of one season, we would have kept Dombrowski...

[notin]

I wasn't saying anything as nefarious as Ortiz was there because he's being groomed for any job within the organization. My thought was that *possibly* Ortiz had been invited to the first game (and given that prime seat beside the dougout) after DD was fired as a PR move to indicate to the fans that Ortiz was still coming to games in spite of the firing. The next logical fan assumption would be that everything is OK in RSN...no need to worry... just keep coming to games.

 

DD's firing was announced on the same day the Pats season started.

Ortiz shows up at a game.

- One thing I've learned in life is that in the world of business there's are almost no coincidences.

 

I think it's a coincidence here.

 

Exactly how much positive PR did they get from Papi's visit? Looking at this thread vs the "Sox Fire Dombrowski Thread", it's fairly easy to see which event overshadowed the other...

[Bellhorn04]

Big Papi has bigger aspersions than GM of the Red Sox think Leader of a Country .

 

I don't mean to be a spelling prick here, but the word is 'aspirations', not 'aspersions'. Aspersions means just about the opposite.

 

The only reason I'm correcting this is that they're both really good words.

[Bellhorn04]

If we wanted a GM to make the Sox 26 games worse over the course of one season, we would have kept Dombrowski...

 

I think we already pulled that one off, in 2014...

[notin]

I don't mean to be a spelling prick here, but the word is 'aspirations', not 'aspersions'. Aspersions means just about the opposite.

 

The only reason I'm correcting this is that they're both really good words.

 

 

Lies!

 

The Clarifier Strikes Again!*

 

 

 

 

*Starring Dwayne Johnson, Luis Guzman, and Michael Caine as the Clarifier

[bosoxmal]

What are the requirements for the GM job?

 

1)Know baseball talent when he sees it, and

2)Be able to negotiate with the players.

 

Know anyone better qualified?

 

THIS TEAM HAS COLLAPSED

[notin]

What are the requirements for the GM job?

 

1)Know baseball talent when he sees it, and

2)Be able to negotiate with the players.

 

Know anyone better qualified?

 

THIS TEAM HAS COLLAPSED

 

I don't know how Ortiz qualifies under those requirements. If the role of the GM involved hitting a dramatic ninth inning home run, I might agree. But it's more than just baseball knowledge nowadays. You don't see many former players being hired for GM roles any more. In fact, we have seen multiple new GM hires who were young enough to still be playing...

[notin]

I think we already pulled that one off, in 2014...

 

And we will again if we go 6-12 to end the season...

[harmony]

If we wanted a GM to make the Sox 26 games worse over the course of one season, we would have kept Dombrowski...

Dave Dombrowski is known for depleting farm systems and handing out big contracts .. quite the opposite of Jerry Dipoto.

 

The Red Sox face the tough choice of going halfway and hoping for breaks or implementing a full-blown rebuild.

[notin]

Dave Dombrowski is known for depleting farm systems and handing out big contracts .. quite the opposite of Jerry Dipoto.

 

The Red Sox face the tough choice of going halfway and hoping for breaks or implementing a full-blown rebuild.

 

I would be very surprised if there was a full blown rebuild. It won't solve anything and would be too costly, assuming it actually works.

 

We all know "worst to first" really isn't some huge step. It can be done quickly. We also all know (especially Mariner fans) that rebuilds are a crapshoot more likely to keep a team in the basement than build a champion.

 

The Sox have a good foundation. This team still has a lot of talent. But if they can no longer spend money like drunken Kardashians and have to dial back a bit, that shouldn't be a problem. This is MLB. The jump from worst to first is going from a 40% winning percentage to a 60% winning percentage. And the Sox aren't even close to a 40% team...

[dgalehouse]

The Sox responded to big Papi being in the house last night by playing inspired baseball .

[bosoxmal]

"Come in, Mookie. What's on your mind?'

Well, Papi, only a year left on my comtract, isn't it time to think of a long term deal"

"Why"

"For one thing, I know what I'm worth and would get a lot of relief out of it"

"So what are you thinking of, Mookie, and have you talked this over with your agaent?

"I'm thinking 20 million over 10 years"

"Why?"

"Why what"?

"Why so much money? What are you gping to do with 10 million bucks every year?

"Hey, man, it's securoty!"

:How about 7 million a uear for 10 years?

"No way. The Yankees are ready to offer what I just said."

"Nice try, Mook, we'll talk again. And, in the mean time, see if there isn't a way you can some of that .290 to .346 gap next year."

[notin]

"Come in, Mookie. What's on your mind?'

Well, Papi, only a year left on my comtract, isn't it time to think of a long term deal"

"Why"

"For one thing, I know what I'm worth and would get a lot of relief out of it"

"So what are you thinking of, Mookie, and have you talked this over with your agaent?

"I'm thinking 20 million over 10 years"

"Why?"

"Why what"?

"Why so much money? What are you gping to do with 10 million bucks every year?

"Hey, man, it's securoty!"

:How about 7 million a uear for 10 years?

"No way. The Yankees are ready to offer what I just said."

"Nice try, Mook, we'll talk again. And, in the mean time, see if there isn't a way you can some of that .290 to .346 gap next year."

 

So Papi is qualified to be the GM based on a fictional conversation that includes a deal offer Mookie already turned down?

[oldtimer]

I would be very surprised if there was a full blown rebuild. It won't solve anything and would be too costly, assuming it actually works.

 

We all know "worst to first" really isn't some huge step. It can be done quickly. We also all know (especially Mariner fans) that rebuilds are a crapshoot more likely to keep a team in the basement than build a champion.

 

The Sox have a good foundation. This team still has a lot of talent. But if they can no longer spend money like drunken Kardashians and have to dial back a bit, that shouldn't be a problem. This is MLB. The jump from worst to first is going from a 40% winning percentage to a 60% winning percentage. And the Sox aren't even close to a 40% team...

 

Some names to consider

 

Mike Hazen

Matt Arnold

Michael Girsch

 

Probably restricted from having conversations until after the WS.

[Larry33]

Actually Big Papi presence at the game yesterday wasn't a coincidence by all means he's going to replace DD in the front office.

[Slasher9]

I think it's a coincidence here.

 

Exactly how much positive PR did they get from Papi's visit? Looking at this thread vs the "Sox Fire Dombrowski Thread", it's fairly easy to see which event overshadowed the other...

 

the ortiz PR move is for the average fan. not the TalkSox fan.