Red Sox have fired GM Dave Dombrowski

[notin]

Reading on the Cubs Farm, it has really dropped. Not much there anymore. Close to the Sox now.

 

True. Like the Sox, he sold off lots of parts for a title.

 

The changes made to free agent compensation have hampered his farm-building style...

[Bellhorn04]

Sure it is. But status quo doesn’t make for an interesting off-season...

 

You're just a hard guy to please.

[notin]

You're just a hard guy to please.

 

So you would be excited with this team if the off-season played out according to my previous post?

[OH FOY]

Here's something telling to me. The Top 30 International Prospects, every team has at LEAST 1 Prospect, except the Sox. Yanks have the #1 overall, and #14. This is unacceptable.

[harmony]

I imagine you'll have to look at Higher contracts that you could move and get something for. Price, No. Sale No. Eovaldi No. Who's left?

According to one website, Mookie Betts ($48.9 million) and J.D. Martinez ($25 million) have a combined surplus value of $73.9 million while David Price (-$44.8 million) and Nathan Eovaldi (-$26.6 million) have a combined negative value of $71.4 million:

 

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trade-simulator/

 

That four-player package would significantly reduce the Red Sox payroll in 2020 and beyond but might not appear attractive to a trade partner.

Edited September 13, 2019 by harmony

[Slasher9]

Bogaerts was signed by the new Female GM, /QUOTE]

 

git R dun!

[OH FOY]

According to one website, Mookie Betts ($48.9 million) and J.D. Martinez ($25 million) have a combined surplus value of $73.9 million while David Price (-$44.8 million) and Nathan Eovaldi (-$26.6 million) have a combined negative value of $71.4 million:

 

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trade-simulator/

 

That four-player package would significantly reduce the Red Sox payroll in 2020 and beyond but might not appear attractive to a trade partner.

 

Thanks Harmony. Hope you beat the A's the last weekend, they will be playing hard, Get your Mariners in right direction for next year.

[Bellhorn04]

So you would be excited with this team if the off-season played out according to my previous post?

 

I wouldn't necessarily be excited, but I'd be surprised. That's something, isn't it?

[notin]

I wouldn't necessarily be excited, but I'd be surprised. That's something, isn't it?

 

If you find inactivity and malaise surprising, I guess.

 

You’re not doing much to shatter the stereotypes of accountants...

[Bellhorn04]

If you find inactivity and malaise surprising, I guess.

 

You’re not doing much to shatter the stereotypes of accountants...

 

I wouldn't interpret it as inactivity and malaise. I would interpret it as John Henry has decided not to reset and to try and win in 2020 - foolishly or not.

[notin]

I wouldn't interpret it as inactivity and malaise. I would interpret it as John Henry has decided not to reset and to try and win in 2020 - foolishly or not.

 

If you like reading off-season headlines and count on them for inspiration and hope for the upcoming season, it’s nothing but boredom and malaise, especially after this year. The message would be what - “we’ll just play better!”?

 

I expect them to reset and still try to win. And those goals aren’t mutually exclusive. But I don’t expect them to trot out what clearly didn’t work this year and tell me to expect it to be different. Definition of insanity ring a bell?

[Bellhorn04]

If you like reading off-season headlines and count on them for inspiration and hope for the upcoming season, it’s nothing but boredom and malaise, especially after this year. The message would be what - “we’ll just play better!”?

 

I expect them to reset and still try to win. And those goals aren’t mutually exclusive. But I don’t expect them to trot out what clearly didn’t work this year and tell me to expect it to be different. Definition of insanity ring a bell?

 

But what didn't work this year was mainly the starting pitching.

 

What could salvage 2020 is Sale, Price and Eovaldi all being healthy and a good replacement for Porcello.

 

And yes, I fully realize how unlikely that scenario is.

[notin]

I think it’s unlikely, too.

 

I think they will either trade Betts or non-tender Bradley or both. And if they trade Betts, whatever they get back hopefully jump starts the off-season...

[Bellhorn04]

Me I'm breaking ground and hiring the First Female GM. Men have screwed it up for too long. We go from one extreme to another. Fresh set of eyes I want.

 

I'm not sure if the Red Sox are ready to take that step, with such a nutso fanbase.

 

I can see a woman as Assistant GM, one who has a serious role in roster construction.

[Slasher9]

I'm not sure if the Red Sox are ready to take that step, with such a nutso fanbase.

 

I can see a woman as Assistant GM, one who has a serious role in roster construction.

 

it did take them an extra 20 years to incorporate a black player after jackie robinson broke the color barrier so maybe sometime in the 22nd century the Red Sox will feel comfortable hiring a female GM.....

[notin]

it did take them an extra 20 years to incorporate a black player after jackie robinson broke the color barrier so maybe sometime in the 22nd century the Red Sox will feel comfortable hiring a female GM.....

 

I think a bit too much gets made of that. (And it was only 12 years, before Bellhorn gets to this thread.) It's not like Jackie broke the barrier and then every team but Boston had black players for 12 years.

 

The Tigers brought up their first black player only one year before...

[notin]

I'm not sure if the Red Sox are ready to take that step, with such a nutso fanbase.

 

I can see a woman as Assistant GM, one who has a serious role in roster construction.

 

 

I nominate Kimmi

[S5Dewey]

If you like reading off-season headlines and count on them for inspiration and hope for the upcoming season, it’s nothing but boredom and malaise, especially after this year. The message would be what - “we’ll just play better!”?

 

I don’t expect them to trot out what clearly didn’t work this year and tell me to expect it to be different. Definition of insanity ring a bell?

 

Well, during the past off-season they trotted out what did work in the previous year and expected it to be the same. Should we have expected it to be different?

[notin]

Well, during the past off-season they trotted out what did work in the previous year and expected it to be the same. Should we have expected it to be different?

 

Yes. If you learned anything from 2013-14.

 

I expected it to be different because everyone around them was trying to get better, but the Sox stood still. What do you suppose next year will look like if the teams around the Sox continue to try and get better and the Sox still stand pat?

[Bellhorn04]

Yes. If you learned anything from 2013-14.

 

Standing pat, in itself, isn't a guarantee of failure.

 

I keep bringing up 2007-08 as evidence of that.

[Slasher9]

I think a bit too much gets made of that. (And it was only 12 years, before Bellhorn gets to this thread.) It's not like Jackie broke the barrier and then every team but Boston had black players for 12 years.

 

The Tigers brought up their first black player only one year before...

 

your right! the Red Sox owners werent racist at all! or is it that they were just as racist as all the other owners??

anyways...i shouldnt paint john henry with the same brush reserved for the racist f*** yawkey.

[S5Dewey]

Yes. If you learned anything from 2013-14.

 

I expected it to be different because everyone around them was trying to get better, but the Sox stood still. What do you suppose next year will look like if the teams around the Sox continue to try and get better and the Sox still stand pat?

 

So you expected them to go to 85 (projected) wins in 2019 because the Sox stood still after winning 108 the year before???

 

I sure didn't.

[notin]

your right! the Red Sox owners werent racist at all! or is it that they were just as racist as all the other owners??

anyways...i shouldnt paint john henry with the same brush reserved for the racist f*** yawkey.

 

Yawkey was racist, but he was hardly alone. Doesn't excuse it, but no reason to isolate him either.

 

There is a reason MLB is the only sport that makes a big deal out of breaking the color barrier. The NFL and NBA also had first black players at some point, but does anyone know who they are without first checking on Google?

Edited September 13, 2019 by notin

[notin]

Standing pat, in itself, isn't a guarantee of failure.

 

I keep bringing up 2007-08 as evidence of that.

 

Your evidence includes a team that made a fairly substantial mid-season trade and didn't stay the course of status quo. Jason Bay? I think that outranks the Andrew Cashner acquisition. (But we can call the mid-season acquisition of Paul Byrd as being equal to Cashner.)

[jad]

Yawkey was racist, but he was hardly alone. Doesn't excuse it, but no reason to isolate him either.

 

There is a reason MLB is the only sport that makes a big deal out of breaking the color barrier. The NFL and NBA also had first black players at some point, but does anyone know who they are without first checking on Google? Am I the only one who thinks MLB is silly for repeatedly celebrating that they stopped being racist, like in 1997 when they had that whole league-wide celebration that basically said "We finally stopped acting like the pre-Civil War South only 50 years ago!!"

 

You're right. It is sort of like the Washington football team celebrating the signing of Ernie Davis (and Bobby Mitchell). On the other hand, it serves as a good reminder to some of us that this happened in our lifetimes. Hard to believe that an all-white RS team seemed perfectly ordinary to me as a kid, as did the fact that there were no black players at schools like Alabama.

[notin]

So you expected them to go to 85 (projected) wins in 2019 because the Sox stood still after winning 108 the year before???

 

I sure didn't.

 

I did expect them to be worse. Somewhere on this board, I repeatedly cited a former colleague of mine who used to say "If you stand still, you're road kill."

[notin]

You're right. It is sort of like the Washington football team celebrating the signing of Ernie Davis (and Bobby Mitchell). On the other hand, it serves as a good reminder to some of us that this happened in our lifetimes. Hard to believe that an all-white RS team seemed perfectly ordinary to me as a kid, as did the fact that there were no black players at schools like Alabama.

 

I always loved the integration of Alabama football story, which I hope is true. The one where USC visits Alabama and future Patriot Sam "The Bam" Cunningham rushes for 345 yards (or some absurd amount close to that) and 3 or 4 touchdowns. And the next year, Bear Bryant decides to admit black football players.

 

Reportedly, the newspaper the next day said "Sam Cunningham did more to integrate Alabama in 4 quarters than anyone else has been able to do in 100 years."

 

Please tell me that's true...

[sk7326]

If you like reading off-season headlines and count on them for inspiration and hope for the upcoming season, it’s nothing but boredom and malaise, especially after this year. The message would be what - “we’ll just play better!”?

 

I expect them to reset and still try to win. And those goals aren’t mutually exclusive. But I don’t expect them to trot out what clearly didn’t work this year and tell me to expect it to be different. Definition of insanity ring a bell?

 

They charge too much money to be able to justify a rebuilding year. Obviously Martinez' option is the first agenda item. There are good arguments in both directions there.

 

I could see the Sox keeping this front office structure and naming one of them GM for governance purposes (to represent the Red Sox during league-wide GM governance sorts of meetings).

[notin]

They charge too much money to be able to justify a rebuilding year. Obviously Martinez' option is the first agenda item. There are good arguments in both directions there.

 

I could see the Sox keeping this front office structure and naming one of them GM for governance purposes (to represent the Red Sox during league-wide GM governance sorts of meetings).

 

I agree. A rebuild would be more costly than simply going for it.

 

I believe Martinez' option is a player option, so the only decision the Sox have is, if he exercises it, do they decide to trade him?

[harmony]

I always loved the integration of Alabama football story, which I hope is true. The one where USC visits Alabama and future Patriot Sam "The Bam" Cunningham rushes for 345 yards (or some absurd amount close to that) and 3 or 4 touchdowns. And the next year, Bear Bryant decides to admit black football players.

 

Reportedly, the newspaper the next day said "Sam Cunningham did more to integrate Alabama in 4 quarters than anyone else has been able to do in 100 years."

 

Please tell me that's true...

https://www.latimes.com/sports/usc/la-sp-usc-cunningham-alabama-20160831-snap-story.html