A Realistic View at 2020: Part I

[notin]

I'm not saying I want these guys, but I have to think it wouldn't take much to get some of them. (We might even get some cash to pay part of some deals listed)

 

KC

Danny Duffy (30) owed $30.75M/2 but just $13M on lux tax line

Ian Kennedy (34) owed $16.5M/1 but $14M on lux tax line

(We could trade JBJ for one or both and still be under the tax.)

 

BAL (Big gamble)

Alex Cobb (32): $29M/2 and $14.25M x 2 on lux

 

NY Mets

Jacob deGrom (31-we don't have the pieces): $128M/4 but just $21.8M x 4 lux

Noah Syndergaard (26): $9.7M + 1 arb

Steven Matz (28): $5M + 1 arb

 

SF (Huge risk)

Johnny Cueto (34) $47M/2 and $21.7M x 2 lux

 

 

Kennedy

 

You also left out Tyler Chatwood (owed $13mill/$12.67mill AAV)

 

I could see Bradley for Chatwood, but going for Kennedy seems like the better move.

 

The Rockies bullpen is loaded with contracts they would like to dump, but not for Bradley. Davis, McGee and Shaw are all likely available for very little...

[moonslav59]

Kennedy

 

You also left out Tyler Chatwood (owed $13mill/$12.67mill AAV)

 

I could see Bradley for Chatwood, but going for Kennedy seems like the better move.

 

The Rockies bullpen is loaded with contracts they would like to dump, but not for Bradley. Davis, McGee and Shaw are all likely available for very little...

 

We really need a starter. Duffy has really fallen off a cliff, but maybe he can bounce back. The two years could be a boost or a curse,

[S5Dewey]

We could trade for pitchers with contracts not appealing to their current team but are still valuable.

 

We could also still deal JBJ, like I thought was the plan when we tendered him a contract, to free up more money for a pitcher.

 

Maybe some sort of trade like JBJ, Workman and ____ for Familia, Smith and Matz.

 

I'm not sure we have what it takes to get Syndergaard, and his 2 years of team control may not be all that desirable, except to generate excitement and fan interest. (Matz & Familia have only 2 years, too, but Smith is still pre-arb.

 

I'm telling ya, they're not going to dump JBJ. They held onto him until the situation with Mookie got settled knowing that they'd part with one of them and keep the other. Now that Mookie is gone they're not going to completely decimate that outfield with nobody in the minors to fill his spot.

[Bellhorn04]

I'm telling ya, they're not going to dump JBJ. They held onto him until the situation with Mookie got settled knowing that they'd part with one of them and keep the other. Now that Mookie is gone they're not going to completely decimate that outfield with nobody in the minors to fill his spot.

 

Agree 100% Dewey.

[moonslav59]

I'm telling ya, they're not going to dump JBJ. They held onto him until the situation with Mookie got settled knowing that they'd part with one of them and keep the other. Now that Mookie is gone they're not going to completely decimate that outfield with nobody in the minors to fill his spot.

 

They can find an all glove-no bat CF'er easily, but you may be right about keeping JBJ. I'm just thinking his salary lost would add a lot to what we could get for pitching.

 

It's just one year, and we wouldn't get much for JBJ, so he will likely be staying, at least until the deadline.

[jacksonianmarch]

They will 100% deal him for the right deal. They have money to spend right now but nobody to buy, so the “having money for pitching” thing isn’t useful unless they buy a salary dump, and usually those players aren’t good.

 

Back to the original features of this post, the Sox are poised to be a .500 or worse team in 2020. I expect the Sox to fall behind by Memorial Day and be raided by contenders of their short term assets

[Bellhorn04]

They will 100% deal him for the right deal. They have money to spend right now but nobody to buy, so the “having money for pitching” thing isn’t useful unless they buy a salary dump, and usually those players aren’t good.

 

Back to the original features of this post, the Sox are poised to be a .500 or worse team in 2020. I expect the Sox to fall behind by Memorial Day and be raided by contenders of their short term assets

 

Of course you do.

[moonslav59]

They will 100% deal him for the right deal. They have money to spend right now but nobody to buy, so the “having money for pitching” thing isn’t useful unless they buy a salary dump, and usually those players aren’t good.

 

Back to the original features of this post, the Sox are poised to be a .500 or worse team in 2020. I expect the Sox to fall behind by Memorial Day and be raided by contenders of their short term assets

 

Assuming there is even any deal to be had.

[notin]

They can find an all glove-no bat CF'er easily, but you may be right about keeping JBJ. I'm just thinking his salary lost would add a lot to what we could get for pitching.

 

It's just one year, and we wouldn't get much for JBJ, so he will likely be staying, at least until the deadline.

 

They’re keeping Bradley, solely because they misread that there would be a market for him and offered him arbitration against conventional wisdom....

[Bellhorn04]

They’re keeping Bradley, solely because they misread that there would be a market for him and offered him arbitration against conventional wisdom....

 

Keeping Bradley was simply not that big of a deal.

[jacksonianmarch]

Bradley may have a market. It all depends on his defense. If he rebounds and shows GG caliber defense again, then he will have a market. Bloom has a history with all glove CFers with Kiermaier in TB. It’s a very important defensive position. Heck, how weird would it be if Bloom prioritizes keeping JBJ on a 2-3 yr deal yet dealt Betts and let’s him sign elsewhere?

[Bellhorn04]

Bradley may have a market. It all depends on his defense. If he rebounds and shows GG caliber defense again, then he will have a market. Bloom has a history with all glove CFers with Kiermaier in TB. It’s a very important defensive position. Heck, how weird would it be if Bloom prioritizes keeping JBJ on a 2-3 yr deal yet dealt Betts and let’s him sign elsewhere?

 

A little weird, but not out of the question.

[mvp 78]

Keeping Bradley was simply not that big of a deal.

 

Pillar is going to sign for way less than 11M. If they want to cut cost, that would have been an easy way to go.

[mvp 78]

Bradley may have a market. It all depends on his defense. If he rebounds and shows GG caliber defense again, then he will have a market. Bloom has a history with all glove CFers with Kiermaier in TB. It’s a very important defensive position. Heck, how weird would it be if Bloom prioritizes keeping JBJ on a 2-3 yr deal yet dealt Betts and let’s him sign elsewhere?

 

It'd be weird considering JBJ's noodle bat.

[moonslav59]

They’re keeping Bradley, solely because they misread that there would be a market for him and offered him arbitration against conventional wisdom....

 

To me, that's the only explanation. At the time, I felt they already had a deal in place.

 

I love JBJ, but paying him $11M makes little sense.

 

They probably could have non-tendered and then signed him for $12M/2.

[Slasher9]

I'm telling ya, they're not going to dump JBJ. They held onto him until the situation with Mookie got settled knowing that they'd part with one of them and keep the other. Now that Mookie is gone they're not going to completely decimate that outfield with nobody in the minors to fill his spot.

 

^^^^

[mvp 78]

To me, that's the only explanation. At the time, I felt they already had a deal in place.

 

I love JBJ, but paying him $11M makes little sense.

They probably could have non-tendered and then signed him for $12M/2.

 

Agree 100%. I don't understand that transaction at all.

[notin]

To me, that's the only explanation. At the time, I felt they already had a deal in place.

 

I love JBJ, but paying him $11M makes little sense.

 

They probably could have non-tendered and then signed him for $12M/2.

 

Yeah, the conventional wisdom I referred to was not about bringing JBJ back. It as about offering him arbitration knowing full well there was a glut of glove-first CF's hitting free agency. A non-tender and re-signing him for less made more sense, especially in a cost-cutting year...

[Bellhorn04]

Yeah, the conventional wisdom I referred to was not about bringing JBJ back. It as about offering him arbitration knowing full well there was a glut of glove-first CF's hitting free agency. A non-tender and re-signing him for less made more sense, especially in a cost-cutting year...

 

Yeah, but remember, you guys are more clever than Bloom. He just didn't think of this.

[Bellhorn04]

Here's my theory on JBJ:

 

Henry went to Bloom and told him to make sure he kept him, because he was having a recurring nightmare of how bad our outfield looked with neither Mookie or JBJ out there.

[mvp 78]

Here's my theory on JBJ:

 

Henry went to Bloom and told him to make sure he kept him, because he was having a recurring nightmare of how bad our outfield looked with neither Mookie or JBJ out there.

 

I think they were just throwing a bone to the fans to make sure the only guy left wasn't tubby Benny. Maybe they thought they'd keep Betts but trade JBJ and Price? Maybe, but I doubt it.

[moonslav59]

I doubt trading JBJ loses one fan or NESN viewer.

 

If you read over the JBJ threads of years past, you'd think most would be thankful (not me).

[notin]

Yeah, but remember, you guys are more clever than Bloom. He just didn't think of this.

 

Apparently not..

[notin]

Here's my theory on JBJ:

 

Henry went to Bloom and told him to make sure he kept him, because he was having a recurring nightmare of how bad our outfield looked with neither Mookie or JBJ out there.

 

But if they non-tendered him and offered him a lesser (but longer) contract, they could have arrived at the same product on the baseball field...

[mvp 78]

But if they non-tendered him and offered him a lesser (but longer) contract, they could have arrived at the same product on the baseball field...

 

That's not smart baseball though.

 

Edit:

Edited February 11, 2020 by mvp 78

[notin]

That's not smart baseball though.

 

So you agree when moonslav proposes a 2 year $12mill contract 8 posts earlier, but when I say the same thing but without specifics, it's not smart baseball? You're playing favorites!! Or bizarrely fickle!!

[mvp 78]

So you agree when moonslav proposes a 2 year $12mill contract 8 posts earlier, but when I say the same thing but without specifics, it's not smart baseball? You're playing favorites!! Or bizarrely fickle!!

 

No, I was joking.

 

If Bloom didn't do that deal (which you and I would have done since it seems to be market value), it must be because we are idiots and don't have all the information that Bloom does.

[mvp 78]

I'll start using again to indicate sarcasm/joke comment going forward.

[notin]

I'll start using again to indicate sarcasm/joke comment going forward.

 

Please do.

 

Or I will tell Schilling that you said playing "Don't Wake Daddy" is just not the same without his political diatribes...

[Slasher9]

No, I was joking.

 

If Bloom didn't do that deal (which you and I would have done since it seems to be market value), it must be because we are idiots and don't have all the information that Bloom does.

 

gun to my head: the JBj arb deal was 100% part of the "walkback" from the JH mandate.

"see, we are going to spend $$"