A Realistic View at 2020: Part I

[moonslav59]

Ah but what if trading Price freed up the roster spot and resources to sign Clay Buchholz?

 

I know your weaknesses

 

Ouch!

[Kimmi]

He is likely to help more than hurt in 2020, but his contract is killing us for 3 more years.

 

If I wouldn't sign him for $32M x 3, then it makes sense to trade him for a bag of balls.

 

His net value is negative. There isn't much on the market to sign and replace him with, but getting rid of that contract would improve our long term outlook by allowing us to make more of the types of moves you, Bloom and I like.

 

I don't really disagree with any of this. I agree that for the long term, dumping Price's contract makes more sense than keeping him.

 

As I said, however, I'm looking to contend in 2020. Therefore, I want to keep Price around.

[Kimmi]

I am okay with trading Mookie for a couple of quality major league ready prospects. It does make us weaker in 2020 and I find it hard to see the vaalue of then resigning him in 2021 if the contract is something in the order of $35mil x 10. With a weakened team and with suspect starting pitching (health wise) we may be somewhat competitive, but I doubt strong enough to take down the Yankees and possibly not even compe3titive with the Rays or even the Blue Jays, who have good young talent. That's why I would agree to say goodbye to Price and the bloated $96 Mil left on his very questionable long term contract. Setting up for key improvements in 2021 is the most rational approach in my book.

 

Glad to see Kimi back posting. I mostly agree with her posts but not this time.

 

I really don't think the FO has any intention of trading him, then re-signing him as a free agent. At least I hope not.

 

I understand people's desire to trade Price and rid us of his remaining contract. I really do. However, I think we need him to contend this year, more than we need Mookie.

[Bellhorn04]

Peter Gammons

@pgammo

 

Three different NL folks today predicted Betts-to-L.A. is "inevitable." Consensus deal:Alex Verdugo, Inf Jeter Downs, pitcher, maybe A prospect. Think P is LH Caleb Ferguson, 95 MPH FB/CB guy, 113-39 K-BB in 93.1 IP, eventual starter.

Edited February 2, 2020 by Bellhorn04

[Kimmi]

Ah but what if trading Price freed up the roster spot and resources to sign Clay Buchholz?

 

I know your weaknesses

 

Now we're talking!

[mvp 78]

Peter Gammons

@pgammo

 

Three different NL folks today predicted Betts-to-L.A. is "inevitable." Consensus deal:Alex Verdugo, Inf Jeter Downs, pitcher, maybe A prospect. Think P is LH Caleb Ferguson, 95 MPH FB/CB guy, 113-39 K-BB in 93.1 IP, eventual starter.

Not the haul previously reported.

[Kimmi]

Peter Gammons

@pgammo

 

Three different NL folks today predicted Betts-to-L.A. is "inevitable." Consensus deal:Alex Verdugo, Inf Jeter Downs, pitcher, maybe A prospect. Think P is LH Caleb Ferguson, 95 MPH FB/CB guy, 113-39 K-BB in 93.1 IP, eventual starter.

 

I could live with this.

[mvp 78]

I could live with this.

 

Better than a 4th round pick for sure.

[moonslav59]

Peter Gammons

@pgammo

 

Three different NL folks today predicted Betts-to-L.A. is "inevitable." Consensus deal:Alex Verdugo, Inf Jeter Downs, pitcher, maybe A prospect. Think P is LH Caleb Ferguson, 95 MPH FB/CB guy, 113-39 K-BB in 93.1 IP, eventual starter.

 

I'd rather have Gonsolin than Downs. As for the prospect, I'd like Cartaya.

 

I'd be fine with the deal as presented here.

 

Maybe we can dump Price in another deal.

[Larry Cook]

Of all our “way too easily injured starters”, price is the one that has the best shot at bouncing back in 2020!

 

Or is our crack ownership team rolling over and playing dead before the season gets started because they are scared of the Yankees?

[Bellhorn04]

Of all our “way too easily injured starters”, price is the one that has the best shot at bouncing back in 2020!

 

Or is our crack ownership team rolling over and playing dead before the season gets started because they are scared of the Yankees?

 

You are too much, Lawrence.

[Bellhorn04]

Donaldson’s signing with the twins leaves a big hole at third base for Atlanta.

 

We should have the ability to move devers and price and all of price’s salary to Atlanta for a boatload of their prospects!

 

Not ideal, but solves a lot of problems for us.

 

Hey Lawrence, remember when you said this?

[notin]

I'd rather have Gonsolin than Downs. As for the prospect, I'd like Cartaya.

 

I'd be fine with the deal as presented here.

 

Maybe we can dump Price in another deal.

 

Ditto on much.

 

But bear in mind this “consensus” involves zero members of the front office of the Dodgers and the Red Sox. It’s not much more valuable than any wish list any of us can come to a “consensus” on...

[mvp 78]

You are too much, Lawrence.

 

People around here really love promoting the use of crack in the workplace.

[Bellhorn04]

People around here really love promoting the use of crack in the workplace.

 

LOL. And I promise I will never again disparage the team doctors.

[moonslav59]

Of all our “way too easily injured starters”, price is the one that has the best shot at bouncing back in 2020!

 

Or is our crack ownership team rolling over and playing dead before the season gets started because they are scared of the Yankees?

 

I think Sale has the best chance at bouncing back. His K rate was his best last year, and I think they babied him after we were out of it. Eovaldi ended the season pitching. Price is most iffy, to me.

[Slasher9]

Ah but what if trading Price freed up the roster spot and resources to sign Clay Buchholz?

 

I know your weaknesses

 

uh oh. do i need to dig up my price v clay thread??!!

i would trade Price (and his contract) for Clay in a nano second.

[moonslav59]

Ditto on much.

 

But bear in mind this “consensus” involves zero members of the front office of the Dodgers and the Red Sox. It’s not much more valuable than any wish list any of us can come to a “consensus” on...

 

I'd be okay with Gonsolin and Ruiz or even Cartaya, which is light according to the simulator.

[Bellhorn04]

uh oh. do i need to dig up my price v clay thread??!!

i would trade Price (and his contract) for Clay in a nano second.

 

I want the Clay man too. Though I admit a lot of it is for entertainment purposes.

[Bellhorn04]

One thing that gets overlooked a bit about trading Mookie is that it will actually save the team $40 million or so, including the tax, assuming that if we kept Mookie we'd be over the limit by about $20-25 million.

[Slasher9]

One thing that gets overlooked a bit about trading Mookie is that it will actually save the team $40 million or so, including the tax, assuming that if we kept Mookie we'd be over the limit by about $20-25 million.

 

this is why the left side of JH bed will remain cold until LT is reset

[mvp 78]

uh oh. do i need to dig up my price v clay thread??!!

i would trade Price (and his contract) for Clay in a nano second.

 

Not this s*** again....

[mvp 78]

LOL. And I promise I will never again disparage the team doctors.

 

You can say what you want. I just have PTSD from all the "crack medical staff" comments we've had here over the years.

[moonslav59]

One thing that gets overlooked a bit about trading Mookie is that it will actually save the team $40 million or so, including the tax, assuming that if we kept Mookie we'd be over the limit by about $20-25 million.

 

$40M almost makes it a no-brainer.

 

In theory, one could add that $40M to our best FAQ offer to Betts next winter.

 

If we can trade Betts for something decent and dump Price (and some cash) for Myers, we'll be sitting pretty going into next off season.

[mvp 78]

this is why the left side of JH bed will remain cold until LT is reset

 

How do you know which side of the bed he sleeps on?!?!?

[moonslav59]

How do you know which side of the bed he sleeps on?!?!?

 

He sleeps in the middle.

[kenmeister]

I want the Clay man too. Though I admit a lot of it is for entertainment purposes.

 

You must not remember how long he takes between pitches.

[Bellhorn04]

You must not remember how long he takes between pitches.

 

I'm referring more to the entertainment here on the forum.

[mvp 78]

I'm referring more to the entertainment here on the forum.

 

Bad content alert.

[notin]

I'd be okay with Gonsolin and Ruiz or even Cartaya, which is light according to the simulator.

 

If I'm the Dodgers, I trade Ruiz over Cartaya.

 

Granted, I don't have as much info to go on as they do. But it seems to be everything written about these two players, Cartaya is the superior defender, and Ruiz stock is actually now what it was when he was at the lower levels. Also, with Will Smith on the parent club, Cartaya's timeline makes him more likely to reach the majors when Smith is reaching free agency. (That does operate on the assumption he ever reaches them at all.) Ruiz, on the other hand, is already in the upper minors, and while he is certainly more likely to reach the majors than Cartaya, he finds himself blocked at his primary position.