The Andrew Benintendi Performance Thread

[dannycater]

Beni has a pretty swing, it's his results that are not up to expectations especially when you consider Devers is doing things we expected the Blues fan to be doing this year.

[jung]

Beni has a pretty swing, it's his results that are not up to expectations especially when you consider Devers is doing things we expected the Blues fan to be doing this year.

 

And they won't be until and unless he shortens his stride and is not so big through the strike zone. Calling his swing Pretty which is not the accepted term to begin with is like calling Ivanka Trump beautiful because she can afford to put 4 and 5 figure clothes over that disproportionate bag-o-doorknobs body of hers.

[dannycater]

In today's game, it's bat speed and exit velocity. Long swings, tons of good hitters with long swings.

[jung]

In today's game, it's bat speed and exit velocity. Long swings, tons of good hitters with long swings.

 

I don't see that. Your mileage may vary. That said, since all you have to do is touch the 2019 baseball with any part of the barrel of the bat and its gone even with a one handed swing with all of the hitters strength expended before he ever contacts the baseball, we are certainly promoting the idea of hitting the baseball a long way with a crap swing.

[dannycater]

Benintendi still hitting .270,7 HR, 20 doubles, 36 RBI. Is it a great OF stats? No. But considering he has nearly 80 games to add to his HR, RBI totals and BAVG, it's not like he is all that bad. There are many ballplayers that would be happy with a half like that. But like you said, jung, the barrell and the juiced balls are making offense becoming a compare him to 100 others and now his stats aren't all that. Give him time. I think he will be fine. And I'm saying that about a f***ing St. Louis Blues fan! Basthid!!! But I love Beni anyway.

[MADSTORK]

And you pink hats say my Post don’t make sense.

 

The game is about adjustments always was and always will be. You do not give up on a 24 year old player with his ability. Let alone a Champion!

 

Remember Josh Reddick, How did that work out?

 

You don’t trade A and B type prospects for Relief pitchers not named Rivera it’s to risky. In hindsight you also lost the Kimbrel trade.

 

Develop pitching! This is why it baffles my mind that Henry has not revamped the Minor League development system. It’s time for the Crockets and Abrahams to be shown the door!

[jung]

Benintendi still hitting .270,7 HR, 20 doubles, 36 RBI. Is it a great OF stats? No. But considering he has nearly 80 games to add to his HR, RBI totals and BAVG, it's not like he is all that bad. There are many ballplayers that would be happy with a half like that. But like you said, jung, the barrell and the juiced balls are making offense becoming a compare him to 100 others and now his stats aren't all that. Give him time. I think he will be fine. And I'm saying that about a f***ing St. Louis Blues fan! Basthid!!! But I love Beni anyway.

 

So he has 20 doubles in the acknowledged best doubles ballpark in baseball and 7 HR's in the era of the ever more juiced baseball. I would not trade that for a one year addition to the pen or anywhere else for that matter, mainly because i doubt we are going anywhere this season. Trade me a guy that can fill a role I need filled over time given I think DD has spent about all of Henry's money beyond the lux tax limits he is going to be allowed to spend and I am all in. In fact, DD's contract is up in 2020 and I am beginning to wonder if Henry will determine that DD has done his job just the same way DD has always done it and therefore has outlived his future usefulness here.

 

There is simply no indication that DD will not trash your farm system AND your budget in short order and I am not sure Henry wants to manage that process to perpetuity.

[notin]

And you pink hats say my Post don’t make sense.

 

The game is about adjustments always was and always will be. You do not give up on a 24 year old player with his ability. Let alone a Champion!

 

Remember Josh Reddick, How did that work out?

 

You don’t trade A and B type prospects for Relief pitchers not named Rivera it’s to risky. In hindsight you also lost the Kimbrel trade.

 

Develop pitching! This is why it baffles my mind that Henry has not revamped the Minor League development system. It’s time for the Crockets and Abrahams to be shown the door!

 

If 3 division titles and a WS title in 3 years is losing a trade, sign me up for more losing trades...

[oldtimer]

In today's game, it's bat speed and exit velocity. Long swings, tons of good hitters with long swings.

 

Devers has a long swing. The difference is that he makes solid contact.

[oldtimer]

So he has 20 doubles in the acknowledged best doubles ballpark in baseball and 7 HR's in the era of the ever more juiced baseball. I would not trade that for a one year addition to the pen or anywhere else for that matter, mainly because i doubt we are going anywhere this season. Trade me a guy that can fill a role I need filled over time given I think DD has spent about all of Henry's money beyond the lux tax limits he is going to be allowed to spend and I am all in. In fact, DD's contract is up in 2020 and I am beginning to wonder if Henry will determine that DD has done his job just the same way DD has always done it and therefore has outlived his future usefulness here.

 

There is simply no indication that DD will not trash your farm system AND your budget in short order and I am not sure Henry wants to manage that process to perpetuity.

 

If you could trade Beni for a youngish quality second baseman, I would do it.

[SoxnCycles]

And you pink hats say my Post don’t make sense.

 

The game is about adjustments always was and always will be. You do not give up on a 24 year old player with his ability. Let alone a Champion!

 

Remember Josh Reddick, How did that work out?

 

You don’t trade A and B type prospects for Relief pitchers not named Rivera it’s to risky. In hindsight you also lost the Kimbrel trade.

 

Develop pitching! This is why it baffles my mind that Henry has not revamped the Minor League development system. It’s time for the Crockets and Abrahams to be shown the door!

 

05-16-2018, 04:13 PM #1620

MADSTORK

 

Why is it so hard for a select few to recognize this Team is not Championship caliber?

The roster as constructed was not good enough the past 2 playoffs but yet the same players return and fans talk about a different result.

There is zero pitching after Sale and zero relief before Kimbrel.

 

The Organization is Tax strapped at the moment to find any pitching help. It boggles my mind how Ownership says in 14 that signing players to big contracts at the age of 30 is not good business. Lester Lackey Miller all gone and Ramirez Sandoval Price are signed.

Another tongue twister is what Cherington was thinking when he signed Ramirez. You had to know of the 2019 Free Agent Class but yet gives Ramirez a vesting option for that year? Same with DD and Price. DD didn't know of the arms in the 19 free agent class? Stupid business.

 

Ownership needs to pull a Cashman. Dump the dead weight to reduce payroll for the 19 Free Agent Bonanza! Pomeranz Erod Kelly Porcello and do not allow Ramirez to vest. Talk Price into opting out? If you have to deal a prospect along with a Porcello type contract to get them out, so be it.

 

86 win Team with this pitching

[notin]

If you could trade Beni for a youngish quality second baseman, I would do it.

 

Would you trade Benintendi to Atlanta for Johan Camargo and RHP Touki Toussaint?

 

Camargo is having a rough season playing part time all over the place, but is an excellent fielder who hit 19 HRs and had an .806 OPS last season playing regularly...

[moonslav59]

05-16-2018, 04:13 PM #1620

MADSTORK

 

Why is it so hard for a select few to recognize this Team is not Championship caliber?

The roster as constructed was not good enough the past 2 playoffs but yet the same players return and fans talk about a different result.

There is zero pitching after Sale and zero relief before Kimbrel.

 

The Organization is Tax strapped at the moment to find any pitching help. It boggles my mind how Ownership says in 14 that signing players to big contracts at the age of 30 is not good business. Lester Lackey Miller all gone and Ramirez Sandoval Price are signed.

Another tongue twister is what Cherington was thinking when he signed Ramirez. You had to know of the 2019 Free Agent Class but yet gives Ramirez a vesting option for that year? Same with DD and Price. DD didn't know of the arms in the 19 free agent class? Stupid business.

 

Ownership needs to pull a Cashman. Dump the dead weight to reduce payroll for the 19 Free Agent Bonanza! Pomeranz Erod Kelly Porcello and do not allow Ramirez to vest. Talk Price into opting out? If you have to deal a prospect along with a Porcello type contract to get them out, so be it.

 

86 win Team with this pitching

 

No shame.

[oldtimer]

Would you trade Benintendi to Atlanta for Johan Camargo and RHP Touki Toussaint?

 

Camargo is having a rough season playing part time all over the place, but is an excellent fielder who hit 19 HRs and had an .806 OPS last season playing regularly...

 

I'll have to look at Carmago, but it sounds like he is the kind of player we should be looking at. It admittedly results in a hole in the outfield so not a slam dunk.

[TylerD]

Benni is a handsome dude. He'll be alright.

[moonslav59]

Benni is a handsome dude. He'll be alright.

 

Yes, in another team's uniform.

[jacksonianmarch]

Atlanta is pretty loaded in their OF with Markakis, Acuna, and Riley out there. Camargo had a 3.7WAR season last yr and has been a bench duty bat this year. He is also 25. You're not getting Toussaint. He's a 23 yr old fireballer who is in their pen right now because they have other options. I'd assume the Braves would aim higher. A package of Toussaint and Camargo might get them a top notch starter to pair with Soroka atop the rotation. The Braves saw a big drop from Folty, Gausman has been ineffective and injured and Keuchel has shown absolutely no ability to strike people out. I wouldn't be surprised to see Toussaint and Camargo go to the Mets for Wheeler.

[dgalehouse]

Patience is a virtue . We have patience with other struggling players . Why not Benintendi ?

[TylerD]

Yes, in another team's uniform.

 

Until his last couple games hasn’t he had at least a hit or more in most of his games he’s played? He’s in a slump right now for sure but didn’t realize it was this bad. I have his shirt and I like him but haven’t paid much attention to his stats. Thought he was solid for us most of the year though. He had 6 hits or something in the last Jays series.

[jung]

Patience is a virtue . We have patience with other struggling players . Why not Benintendi ?

 

He is too resistant to change...that is why I am out of patience with him:

- tired of seeing his pop up whaaaa-fests when he is unwilling to do anything about it

- definitely tired of these dives to the depths of Beni despair and frustration described by periods when he just does not even try

- then you add is middling outfield play and what is there to be patient about

[notin]

I'll have to look at Carmago, but it sounds like he is the kind of player we should be looking at. It admittedly results in a hole in the outfield so not a slam dunk.

 

Well, Chavis has to go somewhere

[TylerD]

He is too resistant to change...that is why I am out of patience with him:

- tired of seeing his pop up whaaaa-fests when he is unwilling to do anything about it

- definitely tired of these dives to the depths of Beni despair and frustration described by periods when he just does not even try

- then you add is middling outfield play and what is there to be patient about

 

He was hitting fine in the Jays series. Maybe he’s just in a slump right now.

[notin]

Atlanta is pretty loaded in their OF with Markakis, Acuna, and Riley out there. Camargo had a 3.7WAR season last yr and has been a bench duty bat this year. He is also 25. You're not getting Toussaint. He's a 23 yr old fireballer who is in their pen right now because they have other options. I'd assume the Braves would aim higher. A package of Toussaint and Camargo might get them a top notch starter to pair with Soroka atop the rotation. The Braves saw a big drop from Folty, Gausman has been ineffective and injured and Keuchel has shown absolutely no ability to strike people out. I wouldn't be surprised to see Toussaint and Camargo go to the Mets for Wheeler.

 

Atlanta’s outfield may not be the same soon.

 

Riley is out there because Donaldson is at 3rd. Markakis has a team option for next year and could be gone. They do have Christian Pache on the horizon, but if Riley switches back to 3b and Markakis’ option is declined, he can only replace one player.

 

Camargo was worth 3.7 bWAR last year, but Benintendi was worth 3.9. This year, Camargo has been worth -0.3 bWAR to 1.1 for Benintendi. And with Freeman, Albies, Swanson, and Donaldson/Riley, he has no clear path to playing time.

 

Toussaint is but one possibility. Heck I’d settle for AJ Minter, despite his control issues this year. Or any of their other upcoming pitchers. The Sox could also add something to even it out.

[Bellhorn04]

Yes, in another team's uniform.

 

Don't tell me you're looking to trade Beni too.

[Bellhorn04]

Patience is a virtue . We have patience with other struggling players . Why not Benintendi ?

 

The lack of patience shown by some fans is way beyond ridiculous, Denny.

[Bellhorn04]

Until his last couple games hasn’t he had at least a hit or more in most of his games he’s played? He’s in a slump right now for sure but didn’t realize it was this bad. I have his shirt and I like him but haven’t paid much attention to his stats. Thought he was solid for us most of the year though. He had 6 hits or something in the last Jays series.

 

A .778 OPS is not horrible. Beni has hovered around the .800 mark over the least few years. Don't be swayed by the doomsayers.

[TylerD]

Don't tell me you're looking to trade Beni too.

 

That's the way some fans are. Literally a player could go in a slump for a month and we want him off the team. Not saying Moon is wrong or anything but I swear at one point or another someone on this board has wanted every player off the team. Next month if Xander goes into a slump he will be next.

[TylerD]

A .778 OPS is not horrible. Beni has hovered around the .800 mark over the least few years. Don't be swayed by the doomsayers.

 

I'm horrible at understanding offensive stats but I will take your word for it. Until the last couple games I swear every game I watched Benni was getting at least a good hit or two. The Jays series he had 5 or 6 so it surprises me there are some that want him gone.

[moonslav59]

I'm horrible at understanding offensive stats but I will take your word for it. Until the last couple games I swear every game I watched Benni was getting at least a good hit or two. The Jays series he had 5 or 6 so it surprises me there are some that want him gone.

 

I think he may be the one guy valuable to bring back something of value and greater need.

 

My only issue with trading him is that we only have Holt & JD (maybe Pearce someday) to replace him.

[Bellhorn04]

I think he may be the one guy valuable to bring back something of value and greater need.

 

My only issue with trading him is that we only have Holt & JD (maybe Pearce someday) to replace him.

 

Yes, that's a wee bit of an issue.