06/11 Red Hot Rangers @ The Boston Chokers

[d-money]

Dick Weber?

 

Lol you know what i mean. Man this season is frustrating. Football season around the corner at least even if it’s preseason games in August.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Hahaha! Nice nice.. I still say he can turn it around and become this century’s Greg Maddux though. Time will tell... lol.

 

He does share Greg's velocity, so there's that.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

LEEETS GOOO BRUUUUUUINS!!!

 

Clap Clap clapclapclap!!!

 

As long as DUNCAN THE WALRUS doesn't go sleepy sleepy in goal, the BRUINS will win. Just keep tossing him the fish.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

The RASK OF CONN SMYTHE.

[notin]

Does the driver of the Pawtucket bus that drops off the pitchers have to stay in the bus or is he allowed to enter Fenway and watch the game?

 

 

He gets to walk right in. Because when you’re with Hernandez and Poyner, EVERYBODY gets to walk...

[YastrzemskI]

I’m digging the humor in the game day threads recently... we need it.

[Slasher9]

Boooooooooooooooooo.

At least WTF showd sme Fight.

[a700hitter]

I hope Papi isn’t watching this.

He’ll wish he had died.

[a700hitter]

Mookie mailing it in. He doesn't even want to play defense.

On Andrus hit, Mookie completely loafed going after it and throwing it in. Andrus smelled double out of the box. If Mookie has demonstrated the slightest urgency to charge in and cut off the ball, he would have held it to a single.

[YastrzemskI]

On Andrus hit, Mookie completely loafed going after it and throwing it in. Andrus smelled double out of the box. If Mookie has demonstrated the slightest urgency to charge in and cut off the ball, he would have held it to a single.

 

In the end it would not have made a difference but you are right. That was just a terrible play all the way around.

[jacksonianmarch]

Hey, Yaz, I watched A STAR IS BORN the other night. It was ok, nothing special. However, I thought that Bradley Cooper should have gotten an award for his portrayal of a younger Jeff Bridges. I believe Mr Bridges had already played Cooper's role a couple of times already in previous movies.

 

That movie was terribly depressing.

[jung]

On Andrus hit, Mookie completely loafed going after it and throwing it in. Andrus smelled double out of the box. If Mookie has demonstrated the slightest urgency to charge in and cut off the ball, he would have held it to a single.

 

Simply more evidence that Mookie is utterly lost in CF. He is just not a CFer. For those keeping score, Beni isn't either but at least if they move Beni to CF, your GG RFer is still in RF, WHERE HE BELONGS.

 

One thing I hope this season of being terrorized by this particular Sox team proves is that regardless of what the sabre-slugs would have you believe Corner OF is not CF and the three positions are NOT simply manned by interchangeable players. A Center Fielder can move to the Corner although its a waste of his talents. Corner OFers can rarely move to CF without screwing up.

 

Mookie has actually missed or botched more plays in CF this year than he has made as hard to believe as that might be.

Edited June 12, 2019 by jung

[OH FOY]

Good point by Sean McAdam, after tonight, they will be the only ticket in town. Bruins have bought the Sox some cover, in a few days, the whole town will be on them.

[Bellhorn04]

On thing I hope this season of being terrorized by this particular Sox team proves is that regardless of what the sabre-slugs would have you believe Corner OF is not CF and the three positions are NOT simply manned by interchangeable players. A Center Fielder can move to the Corner although its a waste of his talents. Corner OFers can rarely move to CF without screwing up.

 

I really don't think the sabre-slugs say the 3 OF positions are interchangeable. In fact you see wide variances in defensive ratings for guys who play more than one OF position.

[notin]

I really don't think the sabre-slugs say the 3 OF positions are interchangeable. In fact you see wide variances in defensive ratings for guys who play more than one OF position.

 

 

Are we at the point where any time a team makes a move that doesn’t work out immediately or someone disagrees with, they blame the sabermetric crowd? As if no team ever made a questionable or unsuccessful move before sabermetrics came along?

[Slasher9]

On Andrus hit, Mookie completely loafed going after it and throwing it in. Andrus smelled double out of the box. If Mookie has demonstrated the slightest urgency to charge in and cut off the ball, he would have held it to a single.

 

i really think sitting JBj cost this game. there was a play or 2 to RF that mookie probably makes (see: holt taking a nap on the wall)...and a couple plays in CF that i think JBj has a good chance to make (a catch, holding andrus to a single or gunning him, throwing the guy out at home).

WTF Cora

[Slasher9]

Cora showing fire. Slasher should be happy.

 

correct!

[jung]

I really don't think the sabre-slugs say the 3 OF positions are interchangeable. In fact you see wide variances in defensive ratings for guys who play more than one OF position.

 

The problem IMO is that this "anybody can play anywhere attitude" which is clearly prevalent in the current game IS promoted by sabre-matricians because of course defense does not matter and a bunt in all cases is a wasted out. Then they get to wait for the actual numbers to come in on a player in a defensive position when in fact all it would take in Mookie's case and in most cases with most players is a pair of baseball eyes to see that he simply does not read the ball well from CF. You can see it in how he positions himself out there and in how he reacts to the batted ball from out there. You don't need numbers to stack up to figure that out. You just need a pair of eyes.

 

If a player can't read the baseball from CF he is doomed as a CF. Its just that simple. Never mind the other characteristics of a CF that a player simply may not posess. Corner OFers do not rely as much on their reads because it is soooooo much easier to read the batted baseball from Corner OF than it is from CF. So if we bothered to look, we could have seen that CF was going to be a problem for Mookie from the first step he took out to his position in CF and from the very first step he took toward a batted ball from that position.

 

You can teach an OF player what base to throw to, how to back up his brother OFers, where he should look to pick up his cut off men, how to effectively call for the ball, how to successfully cut off the ball hit in the hole that has come to earth, how to turn and shield his eyes from the sun or lights and still be in position to catch and throw the darned thing. You can even teach him how to take more direct routes to catch the baseball in the first place. You can't teach him how to read the batted ball in the air and that happens to be the very talent that defines the CFer. You can't teach a strong arm though you can refine an inherently strong arm. Those are talents he either has or he does not have, just as you cannot teach hand eye coordination from the batter's box.

 

The reason so many of us have stated regularly that we needed to be patient with Devers in the field is because you could literally see the natural talent to play 3rd base oozing out of him if you knew how to look for it. Didn't need some number which would have suggested just the opposite in his case. I have often said here that if Devers does not improve his footwork he will never even be an average 3rd baseman. That was not because he didn't have the physical talent to improve his footwork. It was simply ignored in his development as a player. But the physical talent was always there as evidenced if nothing else by his pre-pitch posture ahead of that grass-cutter he gobbled up at 3rd last night and the way he gobbled it up....on his toes, glove down, two hands. I don't want to remember how Rafi would have gone after that ball even a year ago. I have a weak stomach.

Edited June 12, 2019 by jung

[OH FOY]

Opponents get better, everywhere. Probably big problem with the Red Sox, starting with the Owners, and goes downhill from there. Everybody thinks nobody improves, and try to better then the Champs. The Champs should have realized that, you can stay the same, the Opponents wont. They try to get better. Yanks and Rays saw first hand last year, it takes a lot to be a Champion. At this point they are proving it.

You must stay hungry to win this, or win even a single game. They were last year, unfortunately at this point, this Sox team isn't. Lazy is a bad thing.

[notin]

I’ve never seen anywhere in sabermetrics that “anyone can play anywhere.”

 

In fact, sabermetrics promotes different values to different OF positions.

 

The defensive metrics can be heavily influenced by players who play multiple positions and play them well, but that’s absolutely not the same thing. Not even close.

 

And while Betts had a bad game in CF, he actually has shown himself in the past to be very capable of that position...

[mvp 78]

i really think sitting JBj cost this game. there was a play or 2 to RF that mookie probably makes (see: holt taking a nap on the wall)...and a couple plays in CF that i think JBj has a good chance to make (a catch, holding andrus to a single or gunning him, throwing the guy out at home).

WTF Cora

 

They lost by 6 runs. There's no way JBJ would have won this game. That's fantasy land.

[mvp 78]

This is the 2nd game in a row that Holt made a really dumb play (inside the park HR, running through stop sign in 9th inning). He's very replaceable.

[mvp 78]

Good point by Sean McAdam, after tonight, they will be the only ticket in town. Bruins have bought the Sox some cover, in a few days, the whole town will be on them.

 

Nah, if they are medicore, they'll be ignored. I don't think they'll get much worse than 3rd place.

[Slasher9]

They lost by 6 runs. There's no way JBJ would have won this game. That's fantasy land.

 

9-5 = 4

#everyrunmatters

[Slasher9]

This is the 2nd game in a row that Holt made a really dumb play (inside the park HR, running through stop sign in 9th inning). He's very replaceable.

 

thats 2 runs right there. suddenly its a 7-5 game.

[mvp 78]

9-5 = 4

#everyrunmatters

 

He wasn't saving 5 runs. I watched that whole stupid game. JBJ wasn't the answer.

[notin]

9-5 = 4

#everyrunmatters

 

The Sox pitchers walked 8 hitters and 5 of them scored, but the problem was CF defense?

[mvp 78]

thats 2 runs right there. suddenly its a 7-5 game.

 

Mookie saves MAYBE one run. It's not an automatic catch for Mookie.

[mvp 78]

The Sox pitchers walked 8 hitters and 5 of them scored, but the problem was CF defense?

 

Duh!

[mvp 78]

Stop throwing JBJ into every argument. It's so dumb.