What are the chances of Porcello being offered a contract extension?

[Slasher9]

Chaim has a gargantuan, if not impossible task fielding a competitive team in 2020 and staying under 208 million.

 

so your saying his seat is already warm?

thanks Dave!

[Bellhorn04]

so your saying his seat is already warm?

thanks Dave!

 

Sox fans are so nutty that guys are on the hot seat before they even get hired.

[jacksonianmarch]

Chaim has a gargantuan, if not impossible task fielding a competitive team in 2020 and staying under 208 million.

 

He has a built in excuse, though. DD laid waste to the farm and signed guys past their prime for many years to come. I think Bloom is the right guy, but I also think the finances are going to be far more important than they have ever been. Remember, this guy operated in a FO role in potentially the most financially restricted franchise in baseball history and he made it work. Management coming to him and setting a budget is nothing new to him

[notin]

so your saying his seat is already warm?

thanks Dave!

 

I think he’s already giving him a pass on 2020...

[TylerD]

Sox fans are so nutty that guys are on the hot seat before they even get hired.

 

Well it is Boston I mean lol

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

To me, we need to spend our very limited budget on several players, and signing Porcello to $8M a year would take up all of our spending budget and leave nothing for the pen, 1B, C and a replacement for JBJ- not that $8M will fill all those slots.

 

Agreed, unless Bloom can move Price or Eovaldi. Then signing Porcello for those guaranteed innings becomes more important and more affordable. Porcello was painful to watch last year, but so was Rodriguez (leading the AL in bases on balls). ERod was good compared to our other starters... but imagine the perceptions this offseason if Porcello or Sale had received the best run support in the league last season, instead of ERod...

[Bellhorn04]

Agreed, unless Bloom can move Price or Eovaldi. Then signing Porcello for those guaranteed innings becomes more important and more affordable. Porcello was painful to watch last year, but so was Rodriguez (leading the AL in bases on balls). ERod was good compared to our other starters... but imagine the perceptions this offseason if Porcello or Sale had received the best run support in the league last season, instead of ERod...

 

ERod was good this year, period. His W-L is inflated by the run support, but 203.1 IP with a deserved sub 4 ERA in the year of the Manfred Missile is commendable in any case.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Again, imagine the perceptions of Porcello or Sale if they got ERod's run support in 2019. Porcello won 14 games as it was; what if he won another three and was a 17-game winner again?

 

Sale went 6-11, but there were several games in the first half at least where he pitched good to great and took the loss or no decision. It's not too much of a stretch to say -- with ERod's run support -- that his record could have been reversed. If Sale had gone 11-6, then folks might lament that he had an injury-shortened offyear, and not worry that he suddenly sucks and will never be good again.

[Bellhorn04]

Again, imagine the perceptions of Porcello or Sale if they got ERod's run support in 2019. Porcello won 14 games as it was; what if he won another three and was a 17-game winner again?

 

Sale went 6-11, but there were several games in the first half at least where he pitched good to great and took the loss or no decision. It's not too much of a stretch to say -- with ERod's run support -- that his record could have been reversed. If Sale had gone 11-6, then folks might lament that he had an injury-shortened offyear, and not worry that he suddenly sucks and will never be good again.

 

I think a pretty high percentage of fans now realize that W-L record doesn't mean all that much.

[notin]

I think a pretty high percentage of fans now realize that W-L record doesn't mean all that much.

 

I disagree, deepending on what you mean by "high percentage". While certainly a lot of the media has started to ignore i in favor of other metrics, there are plenty of casual fans who evaluate using W-L record. Even a few in the media still use them constantly...

[moonslav59]

Agreed, unless Bloom can move Price or Eovaldi. Then signing Porcello for those guaranteed innings becomes more important and more affordable. Porcello was painful to watch last year, but so was Rodriguez (leading the AL in bases on balls). ERod was good compared to our other starters... but imagine the perceptions this offseason if Porcello or Sale had received the best run support in the league last season, instead of ERod...

 

If we do dump price and/or Eovaldi, then yes, the equation has changed and signing an innings eater makes more sense.

 

I guess my mindset is geared more towards only looking at acquiring younger players that look to help the Sox beyond 2020. If we need to sign a bridge player here and there to "carry us over," so we won't be terrible while we retool, then fine.

[Bellhorn04]

I disagree, deepending on what you mean by "high percentage". While certainly a lot of the media has started to ignore i in favor of other metrics, there are plenty of casual fans who evaluate using W-L record. Even a few in the media still use them constantly...

 

Those must be really casual fans, unaware of the existence of Jacob DeGrom...

[notin]

Those must be really casual fans, unaware of the existence of Jacob DeGrom...

 

Or Johan Santana or Felix Hernandez. But we have had people on here who take the attitude that "wins matter"

[moonslav59]

Again, imagine the perceptions of Porcello or Sale if they got ERod's run support in 2019. Porcello won 14 games as it was; what if he won another three and was a 17-game winner again?

 

Sale went 6-11, but there were several games in the first half at least where he pitched good to great and took the loss or no decision. It's not too much of a stretch to say -- with ERod's run support -- that his record could have been reversed. If Sale had gone 11-6, then folks might lament that he had an injury-shortened offyear, and not worry that he suddenly sucks and will never be good again.

 

Really?

 

ERod's run support: 7.05

Porky's run support: 7.04

(Point well taken with Sale at 3.90 runs per game.)

 

Porcello got plenty of run support, and the team actually saved his ass many times. They went 18-14 in his starts- not bad, when you consider he let up 5 or more runs in 12 starts. In half his games, he let up 4 or more runs (or 3 in 5 or less innings).

 

The Sox scored 7.04 runs in his starts, including...

11 games with 9 or more runs

18 games with 5 or more runs scored

Only 6 games with 3 or less runs scored

 

[Bellhorn04]

Or Johan Santana or Felix Hernandez. But we have had people on here who take the attitude that "wins matter"

 

Yeah, until we set them straight.

[notin]

Yeah, until we set them straight.

 

I'm trying, but it's nearly impossible to get people to change their beliefs.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belief_perseverance

[Bellhorn04]

I'm trying, but it's nearly impossible to get people to change their beliefs.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belief_perseverance

 

Getting people to change their beliefs on this particular issue has probably become one of the easier tasks.

 

Just say 'back to back Cy Young award winner Jacob DeGrom' until they shut up.

[notin]

Getting people to change their beliefs on this particular issue has probably become one of the easier tasks.

 

Just say 'back to back Cy Young award winner Jacob DeGrom' until they shut up.

 

Yeah that sounds like a real effective strategy. No one ever gets annoyed at repetitive arguments.

 

I assume you can feel the sarcasm dripping off your monitor here...

[Bellhorn04]

Yeah that sounds like a real effective strategy. No one ever gets annoyed at repetitive arguments.

 

There's nothing wrong with being annoying with someone who's being an uninformed numbskull. Doing it in person if they're a lot bigger than you might not be a great idea, admittedly.

[notin]

There's nothing wrong with being annoying with someone who's being an uninformed numbskull. Doing it in person if they're a lot bigger than you might not be a great idea, admittedly.

 

I'm 5'7". Who isn't bigger than me?

 

I think I can only argue with Craig Grebeck and Freddie Patek...

[Slasher9]

I'm 5'7". Who isn't bigger than me?

 

I think I can only argue with Craig Grebeck and Freddie Patek...

 

altuve

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I'm 5'7". Who isn't bigger than me?

 

I think I can only argue with Craig Grebeck and Freddie Patek...

 

That's too bad, because according to experts, your size means you're apt to break down sooner than us bigger typers.

[TylerD]

I’m 5’9. Average height. Huge wiener though. Lol ugh I’m not funny I know anyway, wonder when we will hear the status of Porcello and what he’s thinking. He’s pretty quiet and doesn’t share his thoughts too often. Hard to tell what he wants for a deal.

[notin]

That's too bad, because according to experts, your size means you're apt to break down sooner than us bigger typers.

 

Yeah yeah. Just keep yappin’ about that on your way to your super expensive big and tall specialty stores, and try not to lose too much sleep knowing that I can fit comfortably in any airplane seat or smart car.

[OH FOY]

Doubt it, trying to rid of Salary. Also think we wont be the big Spenders again like with DD. I think Bloom makes a conscious approach at keeping the Sox under the Luxury Tax, while he's here.

Just spending to the Max without going over, should be able to get you good talent.

[OH FOY]

Thing about Porcello, I think teams offer him more then I think we could match in years and money. He's valuable Pitcher to many teams, just because of health alone.

In that Hitters Ball Park, he pitched in, he doesn't have bad career numbers.

Some team with more of a Pitchers Park, might offer him something. I would, wont break the bank, and will go out there every 5th day.

2 years at 28 million with some incentives, is a good deal for Pitcher like him. Also a contract like that is Tradeable too.

Edited November 23, 2019 by OH FOY!

[jacksonianmarch]

Thing about Porcello, I think teams offer him more then I think we could match in years and money. He's valuable Pitcher to many teams, just because of health alone.

 

Porcello isn't going to accept a multi year deal at a discount. He has made his money. He doesn't need a guaranteed pay day. What he needs is a one year pillow deal in a place like SD. Rehab his value in a pitchers friendly environment and then hit the market next year where the market on the SP front is a lot weaker

[moonslav59]

Doubt it, trying to rid of Salary. Also think we wont be the big Spenders again like with DD. I think Bloom makes a conscious approach at keeping the Sox under the Luxury Tax, while he's here.

Just spending to the Max without going over, should be able to get you good talent.

 

I think we reset, this year- maybe next instead, and then we stay below the max line going forward.

[Swiharts Ghost]

2 years 20 gets it done period .Pork chop is about as good a number 5 as you can want .The superball they where tossing this year was a big reason our staff looked like dog s*** .I think we trade Price though and that leaves us with a large hole to fill .some people have had a conservative view that maybe we do keep the band together until July .I think I'm leaning this way myself .

[jacksonianmarch]

2 years 20 gets it done period .Pork chop is about as good a number 5 as you can want .The superball they where tossing this year was a big reason our staff looked like dog s*** .I think we trade Price though and that leaves us with a large hole to fill .some people have had a conservative view that maybe we do keep the band together until July .I think I'm leaning this way myself .

 

I don't think that gets it done for Porcello. I think Porcello is looking at himself and is trying to write his second act. His second act won't be written in Fenway. He is a homerun pitcher who lost his breaking ball and lost a bit on his fastball. He needs to go the way of many AL pitchers with lots of tread on their tires and try out the NL. He can make a s*** ton of money in the NL if he is able to reliably avoid the homer. He is exactly the kind of player that St Louis goes after as well