What are the chances of Porcello being offered a contract extension?

[TylerD]

Porcello was a god tonight. That is all.

[moonslav59]

Just what we needed.

 

Start a streak, guys!

[jung]

So let me get this straight....Rick faces a lineup of 7 RH hitters and 2 switch hitters including one RH hitter that is 0 for a career against him and suddenly all is well? Do we think it odd that he pulls an 8 inning start out of his butt end. Frankly I would wait for a start against a competitive lineup before I would start pouring the brass for his statue.

 

It was a much needed win but I think sainthood is uncalled for at this point. As for Sandy, you could have put a cement block back there against that lineup.

 

To me the one notable aspect of last night's game with regard to pitching is the difference between a pitcher that throws confidently "Rick" who had every reason to throw confidently given the A's lineup and ERod who almost never throws confidently regardless of who he is facing. ERod can shrink to nothing facing Sisters of the Poor.

 

The other notable element of last night's start is that it still appears that it took this rotation 4 regular season turns through to make up for the lack of ST work. The entire rotation has done better and just about all at the same time regardless of whether Sandy or Vaz or a block of cement is behind home plate.

Edited May 1, 2019 by jung

[Bellhorn04]

So let me get this straight....Rick faces a lineup of 7 RH hitters and 2 switch hitters including one RH hitter that is 0 for a career against him and suddenly all is well? Do we think it odd that he pulls an 8 inning start out of his butt end. Frankly I would wait for a start against a competitive lineup before I would start pouring the brass for his statue.

 

It was a much needed win but I think sainthood is uncalled for at this point. As for Sandy, you could have put a cement block back there against that lineup.

 

To me the one notable aspect of last night's game with regard to pitching is the difference between a pitcher that throws confidently "Rick" who had every reason to throw confidently given the A's lineup and ERod who almost never throws confidently regardless of who he is facing. ERod can shrink to nothing facing Sisters of the Poor.

 

The other notable element of last night's start is that it still appears that it took this rotation 4 regular season turns through to make up for the lack of ST work. The entire rotation has done better and just about all at the same time regardless of whether Sandy or Vaz or a block of cement is behind home plate.

 

Wow, that's one of the most downbeat assessments of a good performance I've ever seen. Nice work.

[jung]

Wow, that's one of the most downbeat assessments of a good performance I've ever seen. Nice work.

 

Said it before a single pitch was even thrown in last night's game thread. Posted it when I posted the lineups. That was a tailor made lineup for a RH pitcher....virtually any even just decent RH pitcher should have carved up that lineup in his home park. Happy for the win....just realistic about the result from a pitching perspective.

[notin]

So let me get this straight....Rick faces a lineup of 7 RH hitters and 2 switch hitters including one RH hitter that is 0 for a career against him and suddenly all is well? Do we think it odd that he pulls an 8 inning start out of his butt end. Frankly I would wait for a start against a competitive lineup before I would start pouring the brass for his statue.

 

It was a much needed win but I think sainthood is uncalled for at this point. As for Sandy, you could have put a cement block back there against that lineup.

 

To me the one notable aspect of last night's game with regard to pitching is the difference between a pitcher that throws confidently "Rick" who had every reason to throw confidently given the A's lineup and ERod who almost never throws confidently regardless of who he is facing. ERod can shrink to nothing facing Sisters of the Poor.

 

The other notable element of last night's start is that it still appears that it took this rotation 4 regular season turns through to make up for the lack of ST work. The entire rotation has done better and just about all at the same time regardless of whether Sandy or Vaz or a block of cement is behind home plate.

 

In Porcello’s last 3 starts, he’s pitched 19.2 IP with a 2.28 ERA and only walked 5 hitters. He walked 12 in his first 11.1 IP this year.

 

It’s not just this one game that you’re casually dismissing as if 8IP 2 hitters are a daily thing...

[notin]

Said it before a single pitch was even thrown in last night's game thread. Posted it when I posted the lineups. That was a tailor made lineup for a RH pitcher....virtually any even just decent RH pitcher should have carved up that lineup in his home park. Happy for the win....just realistic about the result from a pitching perspective.

 

Are we also playing the game that all right handed hitters struggle against RHP?

 

Chapman (.949) and Semien (.839) have both done very well vs RHP this season...

[jung]

Are we also playing the game that all right handed hitters struggle against RHP?

 

Chapman (.949) and Semien (.839) have both done very well vs RHP this season...

 

Semien is 0 for a career v Rick and to ignore the fact of 7 RH hitters and two switch hitters v a RH pitcher of any merit pitching in his home park is simply indescribable.

[Bellhorn04]

Semien is 0 for a career v Rick and to ignore the fact of 7 RH hitters and two switch hitters v a RH pitcher of any merit pitching in his home park is simply indescribable.

 

What does pitching in the home park have to do with it? It's a hitter's park.

[mvp 78]

What does pitching in the home park have to do with it? It's a hitter's park.

 

It's proven that the smell of a hometown hot dog provides a 5% increase in spin rate to starting pitchers.

[notin]

Semien is 0 for a career v Rick and to ignore the fact of 7 RH hitters and two switch hitters v a RH pitcher of any merit pitching in his home park is simply indescribable.

 

 

Chris Davis was 0 for 55 vs everybody until he ran into Porcello. This is absolutely a step in the right direction for Rick...

[notin]

What does pitching in the home park have to do with it? It's a hitter's park.

 

 

To be more specific, it’s a right-handed hitters’ park...

[jung]

To be more specific, it’s a right-handed hitters’ park...

 

Really....Its a doubles park and that is about it since all of the additions have robbed the place of its jet stream. Splits exist for a reason. That was a pitiful lineup the A's put out there against a RH pitcher pitching in his home park. It was so obvious that I pointed it out as I was posting up the lineup last night before a single pitch had been thrown.

[mvp 78]

Really....Its a doubles park and that is about it since all of the additions have robbed the place of its jet stream. Splits exist for a reason. That was a pitiful lineup the A's put out there against a RH pitcher pitching in his home park. It was so obvious that I pointed it out as I was posting up the lineup last night before a single pitch had been thrown.

 

You can only beat the lineup you're playing against. I'd rather he succeed against a bad lineup than do poorly.

 

When a 3 game winning streak is problematic!

[Bellhorn04]

Really....Its a doubles park and that is about it since all of the additions have robbed the place of its jet stream.

 

Don't try to obfuscate. The bottom line is it's more conducive to run-scoring than the average park. There is no advantage to pitching in Fenway whether you're a Red Sox pitcher or an opposing pitcher.

[TylerD]

So let me get this straight....Rick faces a lineup of 7 RH hitters and 2 switch hitters including one RH hitter that is 0 for a career against him and suddenly all is well? Do we think it odd that he pulls an 8 inning start out of his butt end. Frankly I would wait for a start against a competitive lineup before I would start pouring the brass for his statue.

 

It was a much needed win but I think sainthood is uncalled for at this point. As for Sandy, you could have put a cement block back there against that lineup.

 

To me the one notable aspect of last night's game with regard to pitching is the difference between a pitcher that throws confidently "Rick" who had every reason to throw confidently given the A's lineup and ERod who almost never throws confidently regardless of who he is facing. ERod can shrink to nothing facing Sisters of the Poor.

 

The other notable element of last night's start is that it still appears that it took this rotation 4 regular season turns through to make up for the lack of ST work. The entire rotation has done better and just about all at the same time regardless of whether Sandy or Vaz or a block of cement is behind home plate.

 

How about just give credit where credit is due? Oakland beat us soundly the first series and no pitcher played well against that team. Porcello has actually been very solid his last 3 starts..... Not just this one. Next to Price he actually is our most consistent pitcher right now. Sale still seems off though he wasn't horrible his last start, and E-Rod s*** the bed completely his last start. Porcello started slow and now his last three starts he has really turned it around.

[Slasher9]

Really....Its a doubles park and that is about it since all of the additions have robbed the place of its jet stream. Splits exist for a reason. That was a pitiful lineup the A's put out there against a RH pitcher pitching in his home park. It was so obvious that I pointed it out as I was posting up the lineup last night before a single pitch had been thrown.

 

i'm glad BDR lived up to your prediction. i'm sad you dont want to get any positivity from this start. it was a fantastic 8ip and deserves a bit of praise.

[jung]

i'm glad BDR lived up to your prediction. i'm sad you dont want to get any positivity from this start. it was a fantastic 8ip and deserves a bit of praise.

 

I already did...we got the win. I will take the win. I am not going to anoint Rick for sainthood for carving up a lineup he should have carved up. I would have expected a starting RH pitcher at $21m per to pitching in his home park carve up that lineup. If he didn't and worse if we didn't expect him to we are a sorry lot of baseball fans indeed.

 

I have stated several times in this forum that the rotation suffered from the lack of ST work which I can only assume was not their choice. That they are not all the dog s*** they pitched like for 4 turns through the rotation is certainly encouraging. Its more encouraging than claiming its the magical Leon is responsible.

[mvp 78]

I already did...we got the win. I will take the win. I am not going to anoint Rick for sainthood for carving up a lineup he should have carved up. I would have expected a starting RH pitcher at $21m per to pitching in his home park carve up that lineup. If he didn't and worse if we didn't expect him to we are a sorry lot of baseball fans indeed.

 

I have stated several times in this forum that the rotation suffered from the lack of ST work which I can only assume was not their choice. That they are not all the dog s*** they pitched like for 4 turns through the rotation is certainly encouraging. Its more encouraging than claiming its the magical Leon is responsible.

 

Someone anointed him to sainthood? I don't remember reading that part.

[mvp 78]

St. Biggus Dickus of Boston

[jung]

Someone anointed him to sainthood? I don't remember reading that part.

 

 

From post #121 in this thread. Sorry, I undershot. Sainthood is at least a step below "a god".

"Porcello was a god tonight. That is all."

[jung]

Don't try to obfuscate. The bottom line is it's more conducive to run-scoring than the average park. There is no advantage to pitching in Fenway whether you're a Red Sox pitcher or an opposing pitcher.

 

So you don't think a pitcher knows more about pitching in his home park than he does about pitching on the road. You don't think staying at home, sleeping in his own bed, going to the park he knows by the route that he knows makes a difference? Oh I know its all what some stat geek says. Who cares that a pitcher is a living breathing human being.

[mvp 78]

From post #121 in this thread. Sorry, I undershot. Sainthood is at least a step below "a god".

"Porcello was a god tonight. That is all."

 

I'd argue that in certain cultures there are many gods and that Catholicism may lead certain saints to be revered higher than other cultures revere certain gods (i.e. St Mary is most likely more important than say a god like Hebe, Eris, Thanatos, Pan, the Muses, Graces or Fates). If they had used "Porcello was God tonight" you'd have a better case for undershooting.

[mvp 78]

So you don't think a pitcher knows more about pitching in his home park than he does about pitching on the road. You don't think staying at home, sleeping in his own bed, going to the park he knows by the route that he knows makes a difference? Oh I know its all what some stat geek says. Who cares that a pitcher is a living breathing human being.

 

Porcello career ERA:

Home - 4.46 (which includes pitching in DET)

Away - 4.10

 

However, once you start looking at things like xFIP, you see that everything tends to normalize over the long term.

[jung]

I'd argue that in certain cultures there are many gods and that Catholicism may lead certain saints to be revered higher than other cultures revere certain gods (i.e. St Mary is most likely more important than say a god like Hebe, Eris, Thanatos, Pan, the Muses, Graces or Fates). If they had used "Porcello was God tonight" you'd have a better case for undershooting.

 

So you are arguing what....that I didn't undershoot after all? OK...fine I concede, i may not have undershot after all. Happy now!

 

Worth pointing out here that I also pointed out in this very thread the value of a pitcher pitching with confidence vs one that did not. Where do we think Rick dug that confidence up from last night? Oh I know, it came from the identity of the GT starter. Thats it....how stupid of me to think actual baseball issues and baseball elements faced by actual flesh and blood players have anything to do with anything.

Edited May 1, 2019 by jung

[Slasher9]

. Its more encouraging than claiming its the magical Leon is responsible.

 

i enjoy your GT insights. but on this one i have to disagree.

#leongate is real

[jung]

i enjoy your GT insights. but on this one i have to disagree.

#leongate is real

 

So you are claiming that a single player on the team being responsible for the rotation righting the ship or at least appearing to is "more encouraging" than if in fact they simply needed the work. So I guess now to extend that a little further, we better hope Sandy does not get a hangnail that sidelines him as the whole rotation will simply fall apart again!

[mvp 78]

So you are arguing what....that I didn't undershoot after all? OK...fine I concede, i may not have undershot after all. Happy now!

 

Very happy. Thank you!

[Slasher9]

So you are claiming that a single player on the team being responsible for the rotation righting the ship or at least appearing to is "more encouraging" than if in fact they simply needed the work. So I guess now to extend that a little further, we better hope Sandy does not get a hangnail that sidelines him as the whole rotation will simply fall apart again!

 

well work has a bit to do with it. i would say 55% work / 45% #leongate

 

remember, it was a HoF baseball player that stated: “Ninety percent of the game is half mental.”

[Bellhorn04]

So you don't think a pitcher knows more about pitching in his home park than he does about pitching on the road. You don't think staying at home, sleeping in his own bed, going to the park he knows by the route that he knows makes a difference? Oh I know its all what some stat geek says. Who cares that a pitcher is a living breathing human being.

 

You don't have to be a stat geek to look up home and road splits. It's incredibly easy.