Swihart DFA

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Nice to see this transaction worked.

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......and Sales night is done.

 

4 runs, 5 IP.....no difference.

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Leongate

[a700hitter]

Horrible game. Cora has botched the beginning of the season. He needs to turn this around.

[redsoxrules]

This whole thing makes me scratch my head. Leon stinks. This is purely a panic move in hopes to shake things up. You're a God damn ace, it doesn't matter if its leon, vaz or me out there you should be pitching gems.

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This whole thing makes me scratch my head. Leon stinks. This is purely a panic move in hopes to shake things up. You're a God damn ace, it doesn't matter if its leon, vaz or me out there you should be pitching gems.

 

THANK you RSR. Thats what Ive been saying since spring training.

[redsoxrules]

And the worse part about this we now have batter in our lineup that's WORSE than a Nl pitcher. They might as well just run 8 out there and have an automatic out in the nine hole.

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And the worse part about this we now have batter in our lineup that's WORSE than a Nl pitcher. They might as well just run 8 out there and have an automatic out in the nine hole.

 

You agree with me so much, I almost feel like I am being baited. If TalkSox thinks Leon is going to fix this, they are stupid baseball people.

[Sox75]

Yeh yeh yeh. He's an ACE....

BUT, it is beyond obvious that Sale is completely

off his game. There absolutely MUST BE something physical? It's the ONLY THING that makes sense with the dramatic drop in velocity.

 

Yes... The Cora experiment of a SUPER-LIGHT ST is a complete bust, but beyond that, Sale is a MAJOR concern.

He looked totally WASTED at the end of the season. I think we may have a real problem on our hands?

[jacksonianmarch]

Sale showed velocity today. He still didn't show vintage consistent 97 mph gas, but he averaged in the 94-95 range tonight. The problem was, it was a meatball every time or he missed high. Makes me wonder if he is overthrowing to get the velocity yet loses his command

[notin]

Yeh yeh yeh. He's an ACE....

BUT, it is beyond obvious that Sale is completely

off his game. There absolutely MUST BE something physical? It's the ONLY THING that makes sense with the dramatic drop in velocity.

 

Yes... The Cora experiment of a SUPER-LIGHT ST is a complete bust, but beyond that, Sale is a MAJOR concern.

He looked totally WASTED at the end of the season. I think we may have a real problem on our hands?

 

 

That makes Dombrowski a moron for offering him the contract...

[jacksonianmarch]

I listened to the Dombrowski interview and he said that there were many different opinions on the Swihart situation, but it "finally became my decision" and he cut Swihart. That is a comment that reeks of discord in the front office

[oldtimer]

Yeh yeh yeh. He's an ACE....

BUT, it is beyond obvious that Sale is completely

off his game. There absolutely MUST BE something physical? It's the ONLY THING that makes sense with the dramatic drop in velocity.

 

Yes... The Cora experiment of a SUPER-LIGHT ST is a complete bust, but beyond that, Sale is a MAJOR concern.

He looked totally WASTED at the end of the season. I think we may have a real problem on our hands?

 

Sale was throwing harder tonight but his location was an issue but he also got no run support. This team has struggled against fair pitching and tonight faced more top notched stuff. More is wrong than just the pitching. Like Betts not running at the crack of the bat. Thats a lack of focus. The team is having difficullty hitting and the error problem still exists. This is the same team that won 108 games last year so I have to believe they will play better than 500 ball going forward, but the hole is getting deeper and the turnaround needs to happen soon. Putting a poor hitter into the lineup isn't going to help run production. Lets hope he can contribute something on defense, but it didn't show tonight.

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I listened to the Dombrowski interview and he said that there were many different opinions on the Swihart situation, but it "finally became my decision" and he cut Swihart. That is a comment that reeks of discord in the front office

 

I just hope that 7/8 of a season of Leon is worth losing Swihart FOREVER.

[moonslav59]

I listened to the Dombrowski interview and he said that there were many different opinions on the Swihart situation, but it "finally became my decision" and he cut Swihart. That is a comment that reeks of discord in the front office

 

If it's anything like the discord on this site on the catcher position, it's not surprising.

[moonslav59]

Sale showed velocity today. He still didn't show vintage consistent 97 mph gas, but he averaged in the 94-95 range tonight. The problem was, it was a meatball every time or he missed high. Makes me wonder if he is overthrowing to get the velocity yet loses his command

 

IMO, he'll get it all together at some point, hopefully very soon.

[devildavid]

Yeh yeh yeh. He's an ACE....

BUT, it is beyond obvious that Sale is completely

off his game. There absolutely MUST BE something physical? It's the ONLY THING that makes sense with the dramatic drop in velocity.

 

Yes... The Cora experiment of a SUPER-LIGHT ST is a complete bust, but beyond that, Sale is a MAJOR concern.

He looked totally WASTED at the end of the season. I think we may have a real problem on our hands?

 

I totally agree with this. I was worried about Sale all off season. Something is not right with him.

[Sox75]

Can we just be honest for 1 min....

 

Yes. The SPing seems to like Sandy. Sandy is a good, but not great defensive catcher. Vaz is a good defensive catcher with very decent skills, but obviously no head for catching a game, & giving the SR CONFIDENCE that HE IS THE GUY to guide them seamlessly through a game.

 

Swi? A very decent athlete.... not to bright. With how hum baseball skills & baseball smarts. He was NEVER going to LEAD ANY TEAM to anything.

[Sox75]

Still, the BOTTOM LINE here is, that the SR is woefully unprepared for this season.

 

This is a jucking JOKE!

 

Cora simply needs to fall on his sword. Take all the heat. Promise to get the SR ready to pitch.... & put the pressure of a clean slate on the SR.

 

Sale? Simply doesn't look remotely healthy.

[devildavid]

Can we just be honest for 1 min....

 

Yes. The SPing seems to like Sandy. Sandy is a good, but not great defensive catcher. Vaz is a good defensive catcher with very decent skills, but obviously no head for catching a game, & giving the SR CONFIDENCE that HE IS THE GUY to guide them seamlessly through a game.

 

Swi? A very decent athlete.... not to bright. With how hum baseball skills & baseball smarts. He was NEVER going to LEAD ANY TEAM to anything.

 

I think Sandy is an above average MLB defensive catcher. But even so, the catcher has limited impact on pitching performance.

[Sox75]

I totally agree with this. I was worried about Sale all off season. Something is not right with him.

 

I was thinking the same thing, and was not at all surprised to see him struggle. He was SO CLEARLY running on NOTHING but fumes at the end.

 

It explains jumping at & on a very good, but not great, deal from the Sox.

 

I'd feel better if they put him on the DL, & just let him get healthy. The deal is a done deal. Protect your long term investment.

[Jasonbay44]

Vazquez isn't even a "good defender" he's been declining in every important category from throwing out runners, pitch framing, defensive runs saved, DWAR. Whatever metric you want to use, he was awful last year.

 

I'm not saying Leon is great, he was a negative WAR player last year, but the bar for Red Sox catchers has been set very very low.

[notin]

I totally agree with this. I was worried about Sale all off season. Something is not right with him.

 

It’s a bit weird, but Sale’s struggles are somewhat of a League-wise thing. Kluber, deGrom, Syndegaard, Darvish, Nola, and a bunch of other alleged aces are all pitching like bottom-of-the-rotation arms. And some guy named Luis Castillo (team? Anyone?) is looking like Cy Young Incarnate...

[Jasonbay44]

It’s a bit weird, but Sale’s struggles are somewhat of a League-wise thing. Kluber, deGrom, Syndegaard, Darvish, Nola, and a bunch of other alleged aces are all pitching like bottom-of-the-rotation arms. And some guy named Luis Castillo (team? Anyone?) is looking like Cy Young Incarnate...

 

Not saying he deserves to be mentioned in an elite category or anything, but Castillo is actually really good young pitcher. He's gotten screwed by run support in previous years. I'm a fan of him.

[notin]

Vazquez isn't even a "good defender" he's been declining in every important category from throwing out runners, pitch framing, defensive runs saved, DWAR. Whatever metric you want to use, he was awful last year.

 

I'm not saying Leon is great, he was a negative WAR player last year, but the bar for Red Sox catchers has been set very very low.

 

 

Yeah I’m not as into Vazquez as a lot of Sox fans (and Cora) apparently are.

 

Now much like offensive metrics, defensive metrics can vary greatly from year to year. So it is possible Vazquez regains some of his former self...

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[notin]

Not saying he deserves to be mentioned in an elite category or anything, but Castillo is actually really good young pitcher. He's gotten screwed by run support in previous years. I'm a fan of him.

 

 

Oh I am too. I grabbed him in two leagues. But he still lacks big name appeal, probably/possibly because he shares it with a former Marlins’ second baseman...

[fxkatt]

It’s a bit weird, but Sale’s struggles are somewhat of a League-wise thing. Kluber, deGrom, Syndegaard, Darvish, Nola, and a bunch of other alleged aces are all pitching like bottom-of-the-rotation arms. And some guy named Luis Castillo (team? Anyone?) is looking like Cy Young Incarnate...

 

Yes, it does seem this way. What makes it even weirder is that there seems to be a lot of weak lineups all around both leagues. Like what great lineup have we played against so far?? I'm sure tonight's Yanks lineup was hardly what they wanted to go up against Sale. Speaking of weak lineups, ours, while intact, is playing like one.

[Jasonbay44]

Oh I am too. I grabbed him in two leagues. But he still lacks big name appeal, probably/possibly because he shares it with a former Marlins’ second baseman...

 

That, plus playing for the Reds definitely hurts him. I doubt many people are tuning into Reds games. This is why I like fantasy baseball so much, keeps me up to date with random guys on random teams lol.

[devildavid]

It’s a bit weird, but Sale’s struggles are somewhat of a League-wise thing. Kluber, deGrom, Syndegaard, Darvish, Nola, and a bunch of other alleged aces are all pitching like bottom-of-the-rotation arms. And some guy named Luis Castillo (team? Anyone?) is looking like Cy Young Incarnate...

 

I don't know anything about those other pitchers. I do know that Sale has not been the same since July of last season.

[jung]

Vazquez isn't even a "good defender" he's been declining in every important category from throwing out runners, pitch framing, defensive runs saved, DWAR. Whatever metric you want to use, he was awful last year.

 

I'm not saying Leon is great, he was a negative WAR player last year, but the bar for Red Sox catchers has been set very very low.

 

Sandy will struggle to end up with a BA that starts with a .2 He has no batting talent or skills....none....zippo....nada. We have a pitcher in our 8 hole in a league with the DH rule. The only reason JBJ is batting 9th is because Cora hopes he gets on for Mookie. There is no hope of that with Sandy.