Harper and Machado

[BillyWilliams]

^ Didn't really want him I guess?

 

I must have missed the part in that post where I said I wanted Machado .........

[BillyWilliams]

He is right in calling out the Yankees offseason. The biggest mistake the Yankees made was failing to sign P.Corbin. You sign Corbin and keep Sheffield, which provides more SP pitching depth than J.Paxton alone.

 

In other words, Corbin & Sheffield > J.Paxton

 

Corbin was expensive but pitchers like Corbin don't grow on trees and cost big money in free agency.

 

And then they brought back numb nuts like Sabathia and Happ. That isn't how you build a championship caliber rotation. But Cashman has always struggled in that regard.

 

His comments on Verlander were totally correct, I'm surprised more people didn't come out and tell Verlander to shut his dumb jock mouth. At the end of the day, Machado made 300 million and Harper turned down 300 million at least once. There is no problem with the flow of money in baseball.

 

C.Kimbrel has had offers and very lucrative ones. The only reason he hasn't signed is because he is a greedy jackass.

 

So when the sox set a value on a player and refuse to go above that it's "smart baseball" but when Cashman does it he's an idiot.

 

Got it, thanks........

[Slasher9]

So when the sox set a value on a player and refuse to go above that it's "smart baseball" but when Cashman does it he's an idiot.

 

Got it, thanks........

 

thats a BINGO!

[Fan_since_Boggs]

After listening to Machado's press conference, I thought he came across as likeable, a guy who can be the face of a franchise. Admittedly, I've always liked the Padres due to Tony Gwynn, one of my favorite non-Red Sox players. Machado talked about wanting to be a mentor for the Padres elite prospects. The Padres are definitely building something special--they should be one of the best teams in baseball in a few years. And playing Machado at 3b really increases his value, not only is he a middle of the order bat, but he will save runs as a defender, a two way contributor, a great player.

 

The left side of the Padres infield will be Machado and Fernando Tatis Jr, two guys the White Sox could have had if they (a) didn't trade Tatis in the James Shield trade and ( didn't lowball Machado in free agency. The thing that has become abundantly clear is that the White Sox are an awful organization.

 

It has also become abundantly clear that the Yankees shouldn't have taken on Stanton's contract. If they pass on Stanton, they have the budget room for Machado. The Yankees need a 3b (Andujar can't play the position) more than a RF (Judge) and Machado gives you elite defense at 3b.

Edited February 23, 2019 by Fan_since_Boggs

[moonslav59]

After listening to Machado's press conference, I thought he came across as likeable, a guy who can be the face of a franchise. Admittedly, I've always liked the Padres due to Tony Gwynn, one of my favorite non-Red Sox players. Machado talked about wanting to be a mentor for the Padres elite prospects. The Padres are definitely building something special--they should be one of the best teams in baseball in a few years. And playing Machado at 3b really increases his value, not only is he a middle of the order bat, but he will save runs as a defender, a two way contributor, a great player.

 

The left side of the Padres infield will be Machado and Fernando Tatis Jr, two guys the White Sox could have had if they (a) didn't trade Tatis in the James Shield trade and ( didn't lowball Machado in free agency. The thing that has become abundantly clear is that the White Sox are an awful organization.

 

It has also become abundantly clear that the Yankees shouldn't have taken on Stanton's contract. If they pass on Stanton, they have the budget room for Machado. The Yankees need a 3b (Andujar can't play the position) more than a RF (Judge) and Machado gives you elite defense at 3b.

 

It's hard to slam an organization for not wanting to give more than $300M/10 to a player who prides himself on not having to hussle. Yes, the Shields trade was awful.

 

As for Stanton, he is costing the Yanks way less money than Machado and had better numbers before the signing.

[Northern Star]

Yankees had a chance of Stanton and their greedy little piggy eyes lit up.

[dgalehouse]

Machado is an excellent ballplayer. He would probably fit somewhere in the level below Trout and Betts . The whole thing about his being a punk is very overhyped. Sure , the Padres might wind up regretting this signing , but I give them a lot of credit for taking the chance . As the saying goes ; " No guts , no glory ."

[Bellhorn04]

The whole thing about his being a punk is very overhyped.

 

Why is it overhyped? He had two incidents of dirty play in the 2018 postseason alone. On top of telling the world he's not a Johnny Hustle who runs out every ground ball. On top of ruining Pedroia's career. That's all in the 2017-2018 seasons.

[dgalehouse]

All overhyped. If he was with the Sox , especially if he helped win a title , we would be hearing that he is a hard nosed , aggressive player who wants to win . And we would hear that he does hustle when it matters . But he has become a convenient target for hypocritical fans . Double standards are everywhere.

[Station 13]

All overhyped. If he was with the Sox , especially if he helped win a title , we would be hearing that he is a hard nosed , aggressive player who wants to win . And we would hear that he does hustle when it matters . But he has become a convenient target for hypocritical fans . Double standards are everywhere.

 

There's a big difference in playing aggressive, hard vs playing dirty. Machado also threw a bat at Josh Donaldson among his douchebag display. Who the heck intentionally does all that? He should have been reprimanded severely for throwing equipment as dangerous as a bat is.

[dgalehouse]

We are all pulling for Matt Barnes to be our next closer . Barnes fired a fastball at Machado's head . Very dirty . Very dangerous. Pedro routinely threw at guys . I don't condone any dirty play . But , as I said , Machado has become a convenient target .

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Buck Showalter on Manny Machado:

[Jasonbay44]

I will say this about Machado, he may be a douche, but he is one hell of a f***ing player. If he wanted to come to Boston, and was a reasonable deal, I'd welcome him in a heartbeat. This guy has a hall of fame skill-set, and the people who were rooting for the Yankees to get him are foolish. I am happy he is on the Padres and Red Sox don't have to deal with him anymore.

 

I don't agree with some of Machado's antics, but the unwritten rules of baseball are beyond stupid anyway.

[Bellhorn04]

I don't agree with some of Machado's antics, but the unwritten rules of baseball are beyond stupid anyway.

 

The thing is, I can't think of any player other than Machado who has been singled out for multiple instances of dirty play over the last 2 years. It's not my intention to persecute the guy, but these things keep happening and they are 'caught on tape' for everyone to see.

[moonslav59]

I will say this about Machado, he may be a douche, but he is one hell of a f***ing player. If he wanted to come to Boston, and was a reasonable deal, I'd welcome him in a heartbeat. This guy has a hall of fame skill-set, and the people who were rooting for the Yankees to get him are foolish. I am happy he is on the Padres and Red Sox don't have to deal with him anymore.

 

I don't agree with some of Machado's antics, but the unwritten rules of baseball are beyond stupid anyway.

 

I'm glad we didn't get him, and I hoped the Yankees did.

[dgalehouse]

I'm glad we didn't get him, and I hoped the Yankees did.

 

I don't understand that. If the Yankees got Machado, it would make them that much harder to beat . How is that good ?

[Bellhorn04]

I don't understand that. If the Yankees got Machado, it would make them that much harder to beat . How is that good ?

 

I was happy they didn't get him. It might hurt them a few years down the road, but it would likely hurt us this year.

[moonslav59]

I don't understand that. If the Yankees got Machado, it would make them that much harder to beat . How is that good ?

 

He's a cancer.

 

His contract will weigh them down for many years. (I plan on being alive and a Sox fan for the remainder of Machado's deal.)

 

When we beat the Yanks again, it would have been even sweeter.

 

[moonslav59]

Think of it this way: if the Yanks are better on paper than us, and we still beat them, the Yanks have to be "chokers", right?

[dgalehouse]

He's a cancer.

 

His contract will weigh them down for many years. (I plan on being alive and a Sox fan for the remainder of Machado's deal.)

 

When we beat the Yanks again, it would have been even sweeter.

 

He may not be the most likable guy , but a " cancer " ? Actually, that is kind of my point. People act like he is Public Enemy No. 1 . But many others have done much worse .

[notin]

He may not be the most likable guy , but a " cancer " ? Actually, that is kind of my point. People act like he is Public Enemy No. 1 . But many others have done much worse .

 

It seems to me he’s only hated by fans and Jesus Aguilar. Even Pedroia says nice things about him...

[notin]

Per MLBTR, Harper is in “deep negotiations” with Philadelphia. It was only a mere 5 weeks ago Philly was going to make him an actual offer. Nice to see everyone getting around to negotiating it...

[moonslav59]

Seems like the Phillies will get him.

 

The Padres are looking at Keuchel.

 

Who is left for Kimbrel?

[notin]

Seems like the Phillies will get him.

 

The Padres are looking at Keuchel.

 

Who is left for Kimbrel?

 

Atlanta? Chicago (either)? Minnesota?

[Fan_since_Boggs]

I was expecting the Yankees to walk away with one of the two--either Machado or Harper. Hal is definitely more fiscally conservative than his father. If George is still around, either Machado or Harper end up on the Yankees. If the 2019 season doesn't go well for the Yankees, or if they finish in second again, the fan base will bitch and moan about Cashman's failure to sign Machado or Harper.

 

But I was even more surprised that the Yankees didn't sign P.Corbin. That decision was not only fiscally conservative, but stupid. In turn, the Yankees had to unload their pitching depth (Sheffield) for an often-injured starter in Paxton. Brutal decision making, but I'm loving it.

 

Maybe the Yankees are saving their nickels and dimes for G.Cole, a free agent after 2019. Cashman has always liked Cole (he drafted him). On the other hand, if the Red Sox aren't sold on Sale's long term health, they might get involved in Cole and outbid the fiscally conservative Hal Steinbrenner.

Edited February 24, 2019 by Fan_since_Boggs

[Fan_since_Boggs]

 

Who is left for Kimbrel?

 

What would have happened if Kimbrel accepted the Red Sox qualifying offer--how would the Red Sox offseason been different? Maybe the Red Sox don't resign Eovaldi? Or maybe the Red Sox simply decide to go over the luxury tax thing again?

Edited February 24, 2019 by Fan_since_Boggs

[Bellhorn04]

Think of it this way: if the Yanks are better on paper than us, and we still beat them, the Yanks have to be "chokers", right?

 

Maybe so, but that doesn't mean I want them to keep adding top players.

[notin]

What would have happened if Kimbrel accepted the Red Sox qualifying offer--how would the Red Sox offseason been different? Maybe the Red Sox don't resign Eovaldi? Or maybe the Red Sox simply decide to go over the luxury tax thing again?

 

Biggest difference is probably John Henry has to switch from imported caviar to domestic for a few months....

[Bellhorn04]

What would have happened if Kimbrel accepted the Red Sox qualifying offer--how would the Red Sox offseason been different? Maybe the Red Sox don't resign Eovaldi? Or maybe the Red Sox simply decide to go over the luxury tax thing again?

 

It's very difficult to say, but my guesses would be:

 

1) They still sign Eovaldi.

2) They don't sign Pearce.

3) John Henry tells the fans: 'We're swallowing a big chunk of tax one more time for you, folks, but that moonslav fellow on talksox is right, we're resetting hard after this year!'

[notin]

I was expecting the Yankees to walk away with one of the two--either Machado or Harper. Hal is definitely more fiscally conservative than his father. If George is still around, either Machado or Harper end up on the Yankees. If the 2019 season doesn't go well for the Yankees, or if they finish in second again, the fan base will bitch and moan about Cashman's failure to sign Machado or Harper.

 

But I was even more surprised that the Yankees didn't sign P.Corbin. That decision was not only fiscally conservative, but stupid. In turn, the Yankees had to unload their pitching depth (Sheffield) for an often-injured starter in Paxton. Brutal decision making, but I'm loving it.

 

Maybe the Yankees are saving their nickels and dimes for G.Cole, a free agent after 2019. Cashman has always liked Cole (he drafted him). On the other hand, if the Red Sox aren't sold on Sale's long term health, they might get involved in Cole and outbid the fiscally conservative Hal Steinbrenner.

 

Ths might reinvigorate a little alte action into a dull off-season. The Phillies are already 4 deep in the outfield before signing Harper. At least one and maybe two of McCutchen, Altherr, or Williams could be moved. The could move Odubel Cabrera also, but that doesn't open up a corner slot.