I'd like to talk about Brian Johnson for a second

[Dojji]

I know hamony will cut me a new one, but I'd love to see this...

 

Johnson (1 pre-arb + 3 arbs)

Hembree (3 arbs)

Swihart (4 arbs)

Travis (pre-arb)

 

for

 

Alex Colome (2 arbs left)

 

That's an overpay and an underpay at the same time. I didn't think that was even possible.

 

I am not in favor of trading Johnson at all. Our depth starters probably get between 6 and 15 starts for us this year and Johnson's sitting in the #6 spot right now, a position that's tricky to replace if you don't have a quality prospect there.

 

Until I see more from Sharawyn, we really can't spare Johnson.

[notin]

I know hamony will cut me a new one, but I'd love to see this...

 

Johnson (1 pre-arb + 3 arbs)

Hembree (3 arbs)

Swihart (4 arbs)

Travis (pre-arb)

 

for

 

Alex Colome (2 arbs left)

 

I don’t think Seattle is looking for a volume of optionless players with fringe MLB talent.

 

Colome is very likely on the Sox radar to acquire and the Mariners’ radar to move, so a match is possible. But at some point, they need at the very least, a supplemental building block or a reasonable prospect.

 

Maybe they like Johnson. Maybe they even like Swihart. But I think the Sox need to add something longer term than Hembree.

 

Houck? Sharwyn? Ockimey? Or maybe they just trade Dalbec straight up for him...

[moonslav59]

That's an overpay and an underpay at the same time. I didn't think that was even possible.

 

I am not in favor of trading Johnson at all. Our depth starters probably get between 6 and 15 starts for us this year and Johnson's sitting in the #6 spot right now, a position that's tricky to replace if you don't have a quality prospect there.

 

Until I see more from Sharawyn, we really can't spare Johnson.

 

This is an underpay by any view.

 

Travis and Swihart are close to worthless.

 

The idea of trading Johnson to fill the closer role is not appealing to you?

 

Plus, we'd have money to spend on a starter that is better than Johnson (maybe Eovaldi).

[moonslav59]

I don’t think Seattle is looking for a volume of optionless players with fringe MLB talent.

 

Colome is very likely on the Sox radar to acquire and the Mariners’ radar to move, so a match is possible. But at some point, they need at the very least, a supplemental building block or a reasonable prospect.

 

Maybe they like Johnson. Maybe they even like Swihart. But I think the Sox need to add something longer term than Hembree.

 

Houck? Sharwyn? Ockimey? Or maybe they just trade Dalbec straight up for him...

 

Hembree does have 3 years of control, and maybe they could flip him for a prospect, but yes, they would want more...

 

Maybe Johnson, Swihart & Chavis.

[notin]

Hembree does have 3 years of control, and maybe they could flip him for a prospect, but yes, they would want more...

 

Maybe Johnson, Swihart & Chavis.

 

Something along those lines.

 

I do figure if the Sox trade any prospect this off-season, Dalbec has to be the front runner. With Devers in MLB, he’s expendable.

 

The same can be said for Chavis, but I’m hoping the Sox can hold some MiLB talent...

Edited November 27, 2018 by notin

[moonslav59]

Something along those lines.

 

I do figure if the Sox trade any prospect this off-season, Dalbec has to be the front runner. With Devers in MLB, he’s expendable.

 

The same can be said for Chavis, but I’m hoping the Sox can hold some MiLB talent...

 

I like Dalbec more than Chavis (GMs may feel the same) and think he may move to 1B at some point.

 

If Devers ends up moving to 1B eventually, then I certainly prefer Dalbec to Chavis.

[notin]

I like Dalbec more than Chavis (GMs may feel the same) and think he may move to 1B at some point.

 

If Devers ends up moving to 1B eventually, then I certainly prefer Dalbec to Chavis.

 

I don’t think either one is a huge loss. I could see either in a trade here...

[moonslav59]

I don’t think either one is a huge loss. I could see either in a trade here...

 

True.

 

Probably, we'd offer either one and let them pick.

[kenmeister]

That's an overpay and an underpay at the same time. I didn't think that was even possible.

 

I am not in favor of trading Johnson at all. Our depth starters probably get between 6 and 15 starts for us this year and Johnson's sitting in the #6 spot right now, a position that's tricky to replace if you don't have a quality prospect there.

 

Until I see more from Sharawyn, we really can't spare Johnson.

 

We have Hector Velazquez, who may beat Johnson out for the #5 or #6 spot anyway in spring training.

[notin]

That's an overpay and an underpay at the same time. I didn't think that was even possible.

 

I am not in favor of trading Johnson at all. Our depth starters probably get between 6 and 15 starts for us this year and Johnson's sitting in the #6 spot right now, a position that's tricky to replace if you don't have a quality prospect there.

 

Until I see more from Sharawyn, we really can't spare Johnson.

 

 

The Sox do need depth starters, but it’s not the same when you pull them out of the bullpen...

[Bellhorn04]

Both Johnson and Velazquez were very useful in getting our pitching staff through the 2018 season. The only thing that's changed is Johnson being out of options.

[notin]

Both Johnson and Velazquez were very useful in getting our pitching staff through the 2018 season. The only thing that's changed is Johnson being out of options.

 

Johnson was out of options last year too...

[moonslav59]

Johnson was out of options last year too...

 

Yes, and Velazquez still has 2 options remaining. If everyone is healthy, and we pick up a couple pitchers this winter, Velazquez might start in AAA, no matter how well he does in ST'ing.

[Bellhorn04]

Johnson was out of options last year too...

 

So nothing has changed! Let's just replicate 2018. I could handle that.

[moonslav59]

So nothing has changed! Let's just replicate 2018. I could handle that.

 

Eovaldi, Kimbrel and Kelly need to be replaced or re-signed. Guys like Johnson or Velazquez might have to be traded to fill some of those open slots.

[notin]

Eovaldi, Kimbrel and Kelly need to be replaced or re-signed. Guys like Johnson or Velazquez might have to be traded to fill some of those open slots.

 

I don’t have much confidence Johnson is with the Sox in 2019.

 

He’s cheap and comtrollable, but those seem to be his primary skills. And while being left-handed is sometimes a sought-after commodity, he’s on the one team that doesn’t need LHSP. His value in the bullpen is also mitigated because he isn’t a prototypical side-arming LOOGY who specializes is getting out left-handed hitters and the league-wide strategy of deploying the shift has mitigated the need for that type of specialist.

 

His roster spot is probably more needed to replace some of the 125 IP the Sox have lost from the bullpen. And while the Sox need starter depth (like every team), they need it to come from AAA where it doesn’t create other voids.

 

Johnson does have some trade value, largely due to his low salary and MLB experience. A team like Seattle that’s shedding payroll might be willing to take him on as part of a trade.

 

I could see the Sox dealing Johnson and either Chavis or Dalbec for Colome to help fill the void left by Kimbrel and Kelly. LeClerc is Texas is another candidate...

[moonslav59]

I don’t have much confidence Johnson is with the Sox in 2019.

 

He’s cheap and comtrollable, but those seem to be his primary skills. And while being left-handed is sometimes a sought-after commodity, he’s on the one team that doesn’t need LHSP. His value in the bullpen is also mitigated because he isn’t a prototypical side-arming LOOGY who specializes is getting out left-handed hitters and the league-wide strategy of deploying the shift has mitigated the need for that type of specialist.

 

His roster spot is probably more needed to replace some of the 125 IP the Sox have lost from the bullpen. And while the Sox need starter depth (like every team), they need it to come from AAA where it doesn’t create other voids.

 

Johnson does have some trade value, largely due to his low salary and MLB experience. A team like Seattle that’s shedding payroll might be willing to take him on as part of a trade.

 

I could see the Sox dealing Johnson and either Chavis or Dalbec for Colome to help fill the void left by Kimbrel and Kelly. LeClerc is Texas is another candidate...

 

Others might include...

 

Keone Kela TX

 

Joe Jimenez DET

 

Amir Garrett CIN

 

Drew Steckkender MIA

[notin]

Others might include...

 

Keone Kela TX

 

Joe Jimenez DET

 

Amir Garrett CIN

 

Drew Steckkender MIA

 

Kela is a more likely option than LeClerc, since he is already making arbitration money and therefore more likely to be moved for less.

 

Jimenez, Steckenrider and Garnett are all pre-arb and might not be as easy to acquire...

[moonslav59]

Kela is a more likely option than LeClerc, since he is already making arbitration money and therefore more likely to be moved for less.

 

Jimenez, Steckenrider and Garnett are all pre-arb and might not be as easy to acquire...

 

Plus, Kela has closing experience- for what that's worth.