Nomar, Bogie, and aren't we lucky!

[bosoxmal]

If you charted Bogaerts' progress, as an ALL-AROUND shortstop, it would look like 10 after 8. Steady until his offense, defense and base running have made him easily the best SS in baseball. Well dome, Bogey!

[mvp 78]

I'd rather have Lindor, but Bogey is in the conversation.

[sk7326]

I'd rather have Lindor, but Bogey is in the conversation.

 

Lindor and Javy Baez have been the best shortstops in the league. Alex Bregman would probably be there too if that job was actually open in his infield. Andrelton Simmons is a bit less offensively but such an otherworldly defender that he has to be on the elite list.

 

But even if I said Bogaerts was (as a total package) the 7th best SS in the majors - that's still a damn good player and at his age very much worth keeping. He'll be coveted because guys his age just don't get to UFA very often.

[OH FOY]

He's turned into a quiet leader too. Very underrated in that aspect. Another quality Lindor has too.

[moonslav59]

I was never a big Nomar fan. All flash and little substance on defense, but boy he could hit before the injury he lied about.

[sk7326]

I was never a big Nomar fan. All flash and little substance on defense, but boy he could hit before the injury he lied about.

 

it's tempting to say he was never the same after the wrist injury, but that would be not precisely correct. He still hung a couple of 6-win seasons (including the season he was dealt). But the Achilles and other stuff piled on after that.

 

While I love great approaches - it was genuinely amazing to watch hitters like Nomar or Vlad Guerrero who could get the head of the bat on almost any pitch.

[OH FOY]

Carlos Correa Back Injury has hurt him big time this year. He was up there too, as one of the young studs at SS. Since AS break he is hitting .163. Astros are really dangerous when he is healthy.

[kenmeister]

I was never a big Nomar fan. All flash and little substance on defense, but boy he could hit before the injury he lied about.

 

I'll take '97-'00 Nomar over just about anybody. He's still probably my favorite Red Sox player ever. And yes, speaking of flash, I love those throws to first while his body was flying in the opposite direction.

[notin]

Lindor and Javy Baez have been the best shortstops in the league. Alex Bregman would probably be there too if that job was actually open in his infield. Andrelton Simmons is a bit less offensively but such an otherworldly defender that he has to be on the elite list.

 

But even if I said Bogaerts was (as a total package) the 7th best SS in the majors - that's still a damn good player and at his age very much worth keeping. He'll be coveted because guys his age just don't get to UFA very often.

 

Don't forget about Corey Seager. His defensive metrics are not as good as Lindor's, but they are still very good. And his offensive numbers are better...

[moonslav59]

I'll take '97-'00 Nomar over just about anybody. He's still probably my favorite Red Sox player ever. And yes, speaking of flash, I love those throws to first while his body was flying in the opposite direction.

 

To each his own, but those twirling throws were not necessary most of the time.

[Spudboy]

I'd rather have Lindor, but Bogey is in the conversation.

 

Yup.

[Slasher9]

I'll take '97-'00 Nomar over just about anybody. He's still probably my favorite Red Sox player ever. And yes, speaking of flash, I love those throws to first while his body was flying in the opposite direction.

 

unfortunately the 97-00 Nomar wouldnt be able to play in the postseason this year after serving his 80 game suspension....

[Spudboy]

unfortunately the 97-00 Nomar wouldnt be able to play in the postseason this year after serving his 80 game suspension....

 

Other than the Sports Illustrated cover does evidence of him juicing actually exist?

[notin]

Other than the Sports Illustrated cover does evidence of him juicing actually exist?

 

Did Canseco name him? Not that that constitutes proof, but...

[mvp 78]

Other than the Sports Illustrated cover does evidence of him juicing actually exist?

 

No evidence he ever did roids. But there is evidence that he had brain worms.

 

https://deadspin.com/5873047/nomar-garciaparra-tried-to-convince-astronauts-the-moon-landing-was-fake-and-other-stories-from-six-years-in-red-sox-pr

 

• In 2003, after the explosion of the space shuttle Columbia, the Red Sox invited two astronauts to come throw out the first pitch. The game was delayed by rain, and the astronauts huddled in the dugout waiting. Nomar Garciaparra approached Bailey asking who the two women were. When told they were astronauts, he had some questions.

 

 

"Hey," Nomar replied, "I saw this show on Fox that said we never really went to the moon. The whole thing was faked. Can I talk to her about that?"

 

"Sure," I said, eager to witness this conversation.

 

Coleman diplomatically handled the inquiry from Nomar. "I've heard about that," she said, "but it would have to be an enormous conspiracy."

 

"Did you see the show?" he quickly rejoined. "It was really convincing…. I don't know."

 

She hadn't seen the show and looked plaintively at me as other players began to join the conversation. "Hey," I said, trying to change the subject. "Cady is going to spend six months on the International Space Station. Talk about training for the big show."

 

Intrigued, Nomar asked about the size of the space station. "It's really big," Coleman said.

 

"Is it as big as Fenway Park?" Nomar asked.

 

"No, not that big," Coleman replied. Then she started looking around for ways to illustrate the dimensions of the orbiting vehicle."How far is it from home plate to first base?" she finally asked. About six players yelled in unison: "Ninety feet."

 

"It's about that size," she told them.

 

"That's not big," Nomar said. "That's small."

[kenmeister]

No evidence he ever did roids. But there is evidence that he had brain worms.

 

https://deadspin.com/5873047/nomar-garciaparra-tried-to-convince-astronauts-the-moon-landing-was-fake-and-other-stories-from-six-years-in-red-sox-pr

 

• In 2003, after the explosion of the space shuttle Columbia, the Red Sox invited two astronauts to come throw out the first pitch. The game was delayed by rain, and the astronauts huddled in the dugout waiting. Nomar Garciaparra approached Bailey asking who the two women were. When told they were astronauts, he had some questions.

 

 

"Hey," Nomar replied, "I saw this show on Fox that said we never really went to the moon. The whole thing was faked. Can I talk to her about that?"

 

"Sure," I said, eager to witness this conversation.

 

Coleman diplomatically handled the inquiry from Nomar. "I've heard about that," she said, "but it would have to be an enormous conspiracy."

 

"Did you see the show?" he quickly rejoined. "It was really convincing…. I don't know."

 

She hadn't seen the show and looked plaintively at me as other players began to join the conversation. "Hey," I said, trying to change the subject. "Cady is going to spend six months on the International Space Station. Talk about training for the big show."

 

Intrigued, Nomar asked about the size of the space station. "It's really big," Coleman said.

 

"Is it as big as Fenway Park?" Nomar asked.

 

"No, not that big," Coleman replied. Then she started looking around for ways to illustrate the dimensions of the orbiting vehicle."How far is it from home plate to first base?" she finally asked. About six players yelled in unison: "Ninety feet."

 

"It's about that size," she told them.

 

"That's not big," Nomar said. "That's small."

 

Really interesting exchange! To be fair, to those of us who have grown up with images of the Death Star, a 90 foot wide space station is pretty small :)

[sk7326]

No evidence he ever did roids. But there is evidence that he had brain worms.

 

https://deadspin.com/5873047/nomar-garciaparra-tried-to-convince-astronauts-the-moon-landing-was-fake-and-other-stories-from-six-years-in-red-sox-pr

 

• In 2003, after the explosion of the space shuttle Columbia, the Red Sox invited two astronauts to come throw out the first pitch. The game was delayed by rain, and the astronauts huddled in the dugout waiting. Nomar Garciaparra approached Bailey asking who the two women were. When told they were astronauts, he had some questions.

 

 

"Hey," Nomar replied, "I saw this show on Fox that said we never really went to the moon. The whole thing was faked. Can I talk to her about that?"

 

"Sure," I said, eager to witness this conversation.

 

Coleman diplomatically handled the inquiry from Nomar. "I've heard about that," she said, "but it would have to be an enormous conspiracy."

 

"Did you see the show?" he quickly rejoined. "It was really convincing…. I don't know."

 

She hadn't seen the show and looked plaintively at me as other players began to join the conversation. "Hey," I said, trying to change the subject. "Cady is going to spend six months on the International Space Station. Talk about training for the big show."

 

Intrigued, Nomar asked about the size of the space station. "It's really big," Coleman said.

 

"Is it as big as Fenway Park?" Nomar asked.

 

"No, not that big," Coleman replied. Then she started looking around for ways to illustrate the dimensions of the orbiting vehicle."How far is it from home plate to first base?" she finally asked. About six players yelled in unison: "Ninety feet."

 

"It's about that size," she told them.

 

"That's not big," Nomar said. "That's small."

 

I cringe as a fellow Georgia Tech alum.

[mvp 78]

This just adds to my hypothesis that baseball players are the dumbest of all big 4 professional sports.

[S5Dewey]

This just adds to my hypothesis that baseball players are the dumbest of all big 4 professional sports.

 

My son went to a school that started their baseball program during his Junior year.

 

Shortly afterward he made the observation that when the baseball players showed up the average IQ in the school dropped 20 points.

[Dojji]

There's nothing wrong with having the second-best shortstop in all of baseball. Bogie rocks

[notin]

This just adds to my hypothesis that baseball players are the dumbest of all big 4 professional sports.

 

Ever met a professional football player?

 

Not to get too removed from this anecdote, but I had a friend who knew a Falcons' backup QB who told him "Michael Vick is the dumbest human being I have ever met."

[moonslav59]

There's nothing wrong with having the second-best shortstop in all of baseball. Bogie rocks

 

Or, MAYBE 4th or 5th best.

 

Lindor

Macahdo

Simmons

Maybe Biaz, Gregorius or Story.

 

[moonslav59]

Bogey has certainly "come of age" this year. I'd like to have seen some growth on defense over the years, but his offense is doing the talking right now.

[bosoxmal]

Bogey has certainly "come of age" this year. I'd like to have seen some growth on defense over the years, but his offense is doing the talking right now.

I am even more surprised by his fielding. The power and confidence has always been their, but he's making acrbatic plays nearly every game.

 

Acccording to the press, Cora can take credit for his new and better hitting approach.

[notin]

Or, MAYBE 4th or 5th best.

 

Lindor

Macahdo

Simmons

Maybe Biaz, Gregorius or Story.

 

 

Again, there are cases for Seager and Correia. It's a pretty loaded position.

[Bellhorn04]

It's cherry-pickin' time!

 

Bogey's last 57 games/55 starts:

 

316/397/568 - 965 OPS

[moonslav59]

I am even more surprised by his fielding. The power and confidence has always been their, but he's making acrbatic plays nearly every game.

 

Acccording to the press, Cora can take credit for his new and better hitting approach.

 

I don't see "acrobatic." at all.

[moonslav59]

Again, there are cases for Seager and Correia. It's a pretty loaded position.

 

Yes, but the point was about 2018.

[Kimmi]

It's cherry-pickin' time!

 

Bogey's last 57 games/55 starts:

 

316/397/568 - 965 OPS

 

Call me biased, but I'm perfectly happy with Bogey at SS.

[Bellhorn04]

Call me biased, but I'm perfectly happy with Bogey at SS.

 

We all should be.