5/6 @Rangers

[Natick to NC]

We have a real problem facing this team now ....JBJ ,Leon ,Vaz are all way below average ball players now ...Sandy had a day today but we are in trouble ..I and many in the media are of the opinion JBJ and one of either Sandy or Vaz is shipped out very soon .I take no joy in seeing the end of anyone's tenure here in Boston but it's very likely JBJ who has been given every chance any organization could give a player with the skill we thought he had but never developed .....he's done in Boston and where there's smoke there's fire at the catcher position ...we are ranked 29 th again. Paethetic ....it's time to cut the cord on both Sandy and Vaz both great teammates but below average ball players .Both positions are pivotal and they can't just hand the job to unproven talent ....look for a scramble in the OF with Mookie staying put Benny in Center and maybe Rusney and JD splitting time in LF ....I do not think this team as constituted makes it even remotely close to the World Series ....that's the goal so here we are .Devers is making it very likely he is moved out of 3b permanently soon ....Devers has a reverse JBJ thing going the man can hit but the man can't field and I'm of the opinion 1b would help Devers but he's destined to DH ....Folks we have a logjam of DH types on this team and only 2 are true DH types now Devers and JD ....Mitch and Devers should split time at 1b and Hanley time in Boston ends on a sour note .Hanley and JBJ and Sandy and Vaz have all been given so many chances it's painful to watch ...I really like all these players but not one of these men are the answer at the position they currently field .Great first month of Ball but it's time to look at where we are and its both good and bad ....like always this is painful to admit ....the Redsox have very hard decisions to make now .I think JBJ and someone else to Fl for JT should be looked at hard .Maybe JBJ ,Vaz ,Carson Smith for JT Realmutto Edited May 7, 2018 by Natick to NC

[moonslav59]

His DWAR right now is .2.

 

So, does that mean you've seen improvement?

[moonslav59]

We have a real problem facing this team now ....JBJ ,Leon ,Vaz are all way below average ball players now ...Sandy had a day today but we are in trouble ..I and many in the media are of the opinion JBJ and one of either Sandy or Vaz is shipped out very soon .I take no joy in seeing the end of anyone's tenure here in Boston but it's very likely JBJ who has been given every chance any organization could give a player with the skill we thought he had but never developed .....he's done in Boston and where there's smoke there's fire at the catcher position ...we are ranked 29 th again. Paethetic ....it's time to cut the cord on both Sandy and Vaz both great teammates but below average ball players .Both positions are pivotal and they can't just hand the job to unproven talent ....look for a scramble in the OF with Mookie staying put Benny in Center and maybe Rusney and JD splitting time in LF ....I do not think this team as constituted makes it even remotely close to the World Series ....that's the goal so here we are .Devers is making it very likely he is moved out of 3b permanently soon ....Devers has a reverse JBJ thing going the man can hit but the man can't field and I'm of the opinion 1b would help Devers but he's destined to DH ....Folks we have a logjam of DH types on this team and only 2 are true DH types now Devers and JD ....Mitch and Devers should split time at 1b and Hanley time in Boston ends on a sour note .Hanley and JBJ and Sandy and Vaz have all been given so many chances it's painful to watch ...I really like all these players but not one of these men are the answer at the position they currently field .Great first month of Ball but it's time to look at where we are and its both good and bad ....like always this is painful to admit ....the Redsox have very hard decisions to make now .I think JBJ and someone else to Fl for JT should be looked at hard .Maybe JBJ ,Vaz ,Carson Smith for JT Realmutto

 

We are not even remotely close to being in trouble.

 

We have Pedey and Thornburg in the wings, ERod and Pom shaking off the cobb webs and surprises like Velazquez and Poyner filling some gaps.

 

It's been one month. Every year you will find 2-3 players that start out slow. Stop being chicken little. This team is for real.

[Sox75]

We are not even remotely close to being in trouble.

 

We have Pedey and Thornburg in the wings, ERod and Pom shaking off the cobb webs and surprises like Velazquez and Poyner filling some gaps.

 

It's been one month. Every year you will find 2-3 players that start out slow. Stop being chicken little. This team is for real.

 

So long s the Sox keep winning, there really isn't a problem.

 

True, Vaz, Sandy, & JBJ are off to a s*** start with the bat. No doubt about it. BUT... All 3 had acceptable seasons last year. I am a bit concerned with Vaz's weight? I'm not sure, but it looks to me as though he put on a good deal of weight?

 

JBJ is worth waiting out!

 

Devers DESPERATELY NEEDS TO slow his game down! His major problem. That, & footwork!!

 

The Sox will be fine otherwise!

[Larry Cook]

So much can happen over the next 4 months. Any team is one injury away from disaster!

[Sox75]

We are not even remotely close to being in trouble.

 

We have Pedey and Thornburg in the wings, ERod and Pom shaking off the cobb webs and surprises like Velazquez and Poyner filling some gaps.

 

It's been one month. Every year you will find 2-3 players that start out slow. Stop being chicken little. This team is for real.

 

So long s the Sox keep winning, there really isn't a problem.

 

True, Vaz, Sandy, & JBJ are off to a s*** start with the bat. No doubt about it. BUT... All 3 had acceptable seasons last year. I am a bit concerned with Vaz's weight? I'm not sure, but it looks to me as though he put on a good deal of weight?

 

JBJ is worth waiting out!

 

Devers DESPERATELY NEEDS TO slow his game down! His major problem. That, & footwork!!

 

The Sox will be fine otherwise!

 

As for the idea of Devers DHing? Not in a million years! It ain't gonna happen! Nor should it.

[Bellhorn04]

We have a real problem facing this team now ....JBJ ,Leon ,Vaz are all way below average ball players now ...Sandy had a day today but we are in trouble ..I and many in the media are of the opinion JBJ and one of either Sandy or Vaz is shipped out very soon .I take no joy in seeing the end of anyone's tenure here in Boston but it's very likely JBJ who has been given every chance any organization could give a player with the skill we thought he had but never developed .....he's done in Boston and where there's smoke there's fire at the catcher position ...we are ranked 29 th again. Paethetic ....it's time to cut the cord on both Sandy and Vaz both great teammates but below average ball players .Both positions are pivotal and they can't just hand the job to unproven talent ....look for a scramble in the OF with Mookie staying put Benny in Center and maybe Rusney and JD splitting time in LF ....I do not think this team as constituted makes it even remotely close to the World Series ....that's the goal so here we are .Devers is making it very likely he is moved out of 3b permanently soon ....Devers has a reverse JBJ thing going the man can hit but the man can't field and I'm of the opinion 1b would help Devers but he's destined to DH ....Folks we have a logjam of DH types on this team and only 2 are true DH types now Devers and JD ....Mitch and Devers should split time at 1b and Hanley time in Boston ends on a sour note .Hanley and JBJ and Sandy and Vaz have all been given so many chances it's painful to watch ...I really like all these players but not one of these men are the answer at the position they currently field .Great first month of Ball but it's time to look at where we are and its both good and bad ....like always this is painful to admit ....the Redsox have very hard decisions to make now .I think JBJ and someone else to Fl for JT should be looked at hard .Maybe JBJ ,Vaz ,Carson Smith for JT Realmutto

 

You are clean off your rocker, buddy.

[S5Dewey]

You are clean off your rocker, buddy.

 

..to the point where I've stopped reading his posts.

[OH FOY]

Nobody is saying we should bench him or move him to 1B or DH this year.

 

Have you seen any improvement at all? Just curious.

 

Maybe not but, I'm not the Manager of this Team, who see's him at a Closer look then I do. Who was an ex-infielder, and would have better knowledge then me, if he is a problem at third. Have to rely on the experts, that more time at position in the Majors, he will only get better.

[OH FOY]

He played so little at higher competition, went from Double AA played 9 games Triple AAA, then went to the Majors, last year at 20 years old Played 86 Minor League games last year. Then Made a huge jump, to the Majors. Because it was a need. Not giving him enough time, to grow into position.

Have to live with it at this point, it's called growing pains.

I know next plan is by many Pay big bucks for another FA, instead of giving a home grown kid a chance.

See I expected it, so it doesn't bother me. I also think given more time you'll see improvement.

This game is hard.

Edited May 7, 2018 by OH FOY!

[OH FOY]

I see a better chance at Devers turning it around Defensively playing in only 89 games at third base in the Majors, then Bradley turning into a good Major League hitter, with 1847 at bats in his career. Yet we still give him the chance.

[Maxbialystock]

So, does that mean you've seen improvement?

 

No. It means I don't think he is the lost cause you and others think he is. soxprospects, fyi, agrees with me and see him becoming an above average third baseman. He's 21, for crying out loud.

[mvp 78]

No. It means I don't think he is the lost cause you and others think he is. soxprospects, fyi, agrees with me and see him becoming an above average third baseman. He's 21, for crying out loud.

 

The Sox gave him minor league defensive player of the year two years ago. He busts his ass. Cora, Lowell and many others praise his athleticism and are stating he'll be really good. I believe it.

[Larry Cook]

No. It means I don't think he is the lost cause you and others think he is. soxprospects, fyi, agrees with me and see him becoming an above average third baseman. He's 21, for crying out loud.

 

Amen brother! Experience is the best teacher!

[moonslav59]

No. It means I don't think he is the lost cause you and others think he is. soxprospects, fyi, agrees with me and see him becoming an above average third baseman. He's 21, for crying out loud.

 

I did not say he was a lost cause. I have said I do not want to move him off 3B this year.

 

I just do not think it was a good idea to subject him and the team to his learning curve during a tight window of our championship run(s).

 

He may end up being a decnt defensive 3Bman. He has quickness. The fact is, he needs a lot of work, and the team has and will likely continue to suffer as he grows and improves.

 

I'd have signed Moose over Moreland. We didn't do that. Devers is our 3Bman for the rest of this season. I'm guessing DD has no plans to move him, even if he still has not improved by October.

 

[Slasher9]

..to the point where I've stopped reading his posts.

 

they are entertaining though. I swear he's not really a Sox fan and is trolling. like that Dallas2000 guy...

[moonslav59]

I see a better chance at Devers turning it around Defensively playing in only 89 games at third base in the Majors, then Bradley turning into a good Major League hitter, with 1847 at bats in his career. Yet we still give him the chance.

 

Well, Devers is a lot younger.

 

JBJ has already proven he can go a long streatch and have decent numbers to show for it.

 

JBJ is still at .773 since 2015. (.834 from 2015-2016)

[illinoisredsox]

they are entertaining though. I swear he's not really a Sox fan and is trolling. like that Dallas2000 guy...

 

They were entertaining. Now they have gone beyond the ridiculous to the sublime.

 

I swear he'd find something to complain about a Sox pitcher if said pitcher threw a perfect game. If he retired 27 batters on 27 pitches, Natick would complain about not enough strikeouts. If it was 27 Ks on 82 pitches, he'd complain about the one ball the guy threw.

[Natick to NC]

I stand by these undeniable facts ..we have two of the shittiest catchers in all of baseball ...we are ranked 29th ..I also stand behind the absolute that JBJ wil be traded soon because he sucks with the bat ...these 3 players are holding this team back .Flame away I don't give a s*** it's true .Devers looks like ass at 3rd and he's my favorite player .I don't take joy in these facts . Edited May 7, 2018 by Natick to NC

[illinoisredsox]

I stand by these undeniable facts ..we have two of the shittiest catchers in all of baseball ...we are ranked 29th ..I also stand behind the absolute that JBJ wil be traded soon because he sucks with the bat ...these 3 players are holding this team back .Flame away I don't give a s*** it's true .

 

Being held back from what? They are on pace to win 119 games, which would only be the most ever.

 

Whether they replace one or both catchers and/or JBJ, they aren't going to win 119 games this year. 100 would be fantastic, 95 is more realistic.

 

What do you replace them with and how do you obtain said replacement? Swihart ain't it; if he were, he's be catching a whole lot more than he has.

Edited May 7, 2018 by illinoisredsox

[moonslav59]

I stand by these undeniable facts ..we have two of the shittiest catchers in all of baseball ...we are ranked 29th ..I also stand behind the absolute that JBJ wil be traded soon because he sucks with the bat ...these 3 players are holding this team back .Flame away I don't give a s*** it's true .Devers looks like ass at 3rd and he's my favorite player .I don't take joy in these facts .

 

Let's replace our great defensive catchers with a .450 bum defender. Enjoy those facts, when our ERA skyrockets when we make Swihart our FT catcher.

 

Next month, there will be three new players "holding us back." Will we trade them, too?

 

What about July and August? Three more?

 

If GMs were emotional and knee-jerk as you are, there'd be 18 trades a day- all year long.

[Jasonbay44]

Sandy Leon and JBJ will never make or break the team, you know why? they're role players. Sure, them contributing above expectations would be awesome, but if they suck, it really doesn't hurt the team that much, especially the catchers. Our pitchers like Vaz and Leon, our pitchers are pitching well, why get rid of them/change whats working? Most MLB catchers suck offensively,

[Sox75]

I did not say he was a lost cause. I have said I do not want to move him off 3B this year.

 

I just do not think it was a good idea to subject him and the team to his learning curve during a tight window of our championship run(s).

 

He may end up being a decnt defensive 3Bman. He has quickness. The fact is, he needs a lot of work, and the team has and will likely continue to suffer as he grows and improves.

 

I'd have signed Moose over Moreland. We didn't do that. Devers is our 3Bman for the rest of this season. I'm guessing DD has no plans to move him, even if he still has not improved by October.

 

 

You see, this makes far too much sense to get any play.

 

Yes. They clearly rushed Devers because they were not going to pay a dime more to bail out the Panda deal.

 

Now, where Moon goes wrong is not realizing, or accepting this. I do, and just suck up the inevitable learning curve lumps. It sucks, but I figure he wins us some games with his bat???? It is what it is.

 

Yes. Probably would make more sense to sign a Moose? BUT . . . The Sox are also seriously looking at unloading Hanley.... Turns out, we may not want to unload a semi-resurgent Hanley. I personally like the VERY REASONABLE bat & D of Mooreland over a Moose.

 

Rushing Devers was a big mistake, but a mistake we didn't have the luxury of not making. I just hope we don't f*** the kid up , exposing his learning curve to the world?

[Natick to NC]

Being held back from what? They are on pace to win 119 games, which would only be the most ever.

 

Whether they replace one or both catchers and/or JBJ, they aren't going to win 119 games this year. 100 would be fantastic, 95 is more realistic.

 

What do you replace them with and how do you obtain said replacement? Swihart ain't it; if he were, he's be catching a whole lot more than he has.

If you think this team wins 95 games I'd say your in the ballpark ....no more than 95

[Natick to NC]

Sandy Leon and JBJ will never make or break the team, you know why? they're role players. Sure, them contributing above expectations would be awesome, but if they suck, it really doesn't hurt the team that much, especially the catchers. Our pitchers like Vaz and Leon, our pitchers are pitching well, why get rid of them/change whats working? Most MLB catchers suck offensively,

JB ,Moon and others ....your are all incredibly insightful fans ....I know my job is to be the negative prick ..No worries here .

Edited May 8, 2018 by Natick to NC

[Jasonbay44]

If you don't consider a backup catcher, and a starting center fielder who hits 9th and whose specialty is defense, role players, who do you consider role players?

[Natick to NC]

If you don't consider a backup catcher, and a starting center fielder who hits 9th and whose specialty is defense, role players, who do you consider role players?

 

A starting catcher and a starting CF are not Role players JB ....maybe in Seattle but not the AL East .They both suck

[Jasonbay44]

A starting catcher and a starting CF are not Role players JB ....maybe in Seattle but not the AL East .They both suck

 

The Mariners are a pretty good team, but yeah, okay, whatever you say.

[moonslav59]

You see, this makes far too much sense to get any play.

 

Yes. They clearly rushed Devers because they were not going to pay a dime more to bail out the Panda deal.

 

Now, where Moon goes wrong is not realizing, or accepting this. I do, and just suck up the inevitable learning curve lumps. It sucks, but I figure he wins us some games with his bat???? It is what it is.

 

Yes. Probably would make more sense to sign a Moose? BUT . . . The Sox are also seriously looking at unloading Hanley.... Turns out, we may not want to unload a semi-resurgent Hanley. I personally like the VERY REASONABLE bat & D of Mooreland over a Moose.

 

Rushing Devers was a big mistake, but a mistake we didn't have the luxury of not making. I just hope we don't f*** the kid up , exposing his learning curve to the world?

 

There's not much choice than to accept where we are right now.

 

Everyone knows I did not want to subject Devers to the defensive learning curve in the midst of a championship run.

 

I hope we don't lose a big game on a 3B error.