4/27 Rays at Red Sox

[Sox75]

Half you guys bitching about that hat (and honestly who cares, do you think a millionaire MLB pitcher really cares if you respect them?) don't even even realize a lot of the guys do have reasons for the hat tilts, or special things they wear under their uniforms, whether it be superstition, honoring a family member, etc. Fernando Rodney's sideways hat is honoring his dead father. Colome could have a similar reason, who knows/cares, it doesn't impact the game in anyway whatsoever.

 

 

 

It's as good a reason to hate the other team as any!

 

If he's our boy? I defend it all night long !

 

He's not. We hate him. LOL :0 HONESTLY..... I think it's as deep as that.

[jung]

Better than 186 and 115 ?????? Are you kidding me ??? That's your catchers now that's who steals at bats from what could be our answer ...he won't ever get his shot because they are nutless .

 

Well before we forget....Blake is a terrible defensive catcher. They converted him during the tail end of the period when MLB was desperate for catchers and they were trying to convert anybody that did not have a solid position in the field. Sort of makes you wonder if they would have tried Devers there if he came along at the tail end of that same period, because they were trying everybody and Devers sure is no 3rd baseman yet.

 

But that is neither here nor there. What they are doing with Blake makes no sense at all. He is not worse than JD in LF, probably not worse than JD in RF. Probably worse than Devers at 3rd although that is hard to imagine lately. But if they are not able to find him AB's AT ANY POSITION during a period where they seem to find every tom dick and larry reason under the sun to rest guys, it says to me they flat don't like him but very likely asked too much in return for him when teams came calling after the Spring he put together. Blake probably knows that is what happened and feels like he got screwed again.

 

However, it is the organization's responsibility to try to make the best of what looks like a bad situation with Blake even if that means taking little in return for him and opening the spot for somebody they like better. It is their team and their organization. How does it make sense to do this with a player in their organization that Oh by the way happens to be on their 25 man. It is hard to imagine the Sox like anybody less than they appear to like Blake!

[S5Dewey]

Doesn’t bother me

 

Just another difference we have, I guess.

[moonslav59]

No wonder I used to stay away from game threads.

[d-money]

The team up north might catch us soon. I am getting tired of pomeranz's crappy starts to a game. This team needs to win tomorrow and win this damn series. Take advantage of the home stand.

[Sox75]

No wonder I used to stay away from game threads.

 

It's not ok to get a little pissy about a tough loss, but it's all good going hammer & tong over stats?

 

Again... we bitch a little about the game. Blow off a little steam about a few players & a few plays. End of the day, we all love the whole damn team. Even the guys pissing us off.

 

It's mainly just blowing off steam.

[moonslav59]

It's not ok to get a little pissy about a tough loss, but it's all good going hammer & tong over stats?

 

Again... we bitch a little about the game. Blow off a little steam about a few players & a few plays. End of the day, we all love the whole damn team. Even the guys pissing us off.

 

It's mainly just blowing off steam.

 

It's going beyong getting "pissy".

 

This is sick.

 

"Hammer and tong over stats?"

 

Yeah, at times I felt like saying, You Suck!" to a Sox player, but we're talking intense hatred hours after the heat of the moment.

 

You guys can rant and rave all you want. I'm not telling anyone what they can do or can't do, but this is getting me depressed.

 

That's on me- not you. I get that, but all this BS makes we think about taking a long break from all this testosterone-fueled drama.

 

[moonslav59]

The team up north might catch us soon. I am getting tired of pomeranz's crappy starts to a game. This team needs to win tomorrow and win this damn series. Take advantage of the home stand.

 

2 starts, after returning from a long DL stint.

[Jasonbay44]

No wonder I used to stay away from game threads.

 

Yeah, the game threads have been horribly lately, its all just "this guy sucks" "this guy is stupid" "f*** this guy", "Cora is retarded". I understand its quick thoughts and instant reactions, but come on, this thread was horrible tonight.

[d-money]

Yeah, the game threads have been horribly lately, its all just "this guy sucks" "this guy is stupid" "f*** this guy", "Cora is retarded". I understand its quick thoughts and instant reactions, but come on, this thread was horrible tonight.

 

We gotta start winning consistently again. It doesn't help that the skanks are starting to play some good baseball. Hopefully they win tomorrow. Gotta take advantage of this home stand.

[Sox75]

LOL :0 I guess I ignore the really dumb stuff.

 

I have no problem with criticizing a player for some really stupid "head up your ass" plays, i.e. some of the resurfacing baserunning brain fart stuff that went on all last year, and was idiotically dismissed as 'aggressive baserunning by JF, or not swinging at 2 on the corner pitches, albeit BEAUTIFULLY PLACED PITCHES, to end the game on a Punch out looking pitch. (Note... LOL :0 these of course were my boisterous rants.... brilliant of course, yet admittedly harsh ). BUT, yes. Some of the "JBJ, Vaz, Price, etc. SUCKS" stuff, is just silly.

 

I just don't let it bother me. But then again, I really couldn't care less what some people think. I pick & choose my battles, and for the most part just have fun. You can't get 30 guys together for anything without hearing some really crazy stuff.

 

Does I really give a s*** if a guy wants to say stupid stuff? Nope. Unless I feal like dicking with him?

 

:0

 

Bottom line. It's a hell of a good start for the Sox. Tough to get majorly torked over anything just yet.

 

 

I do reserve the right to pull an occasional nutty though!

[Bellhorn04]

Yeah, the game threads have been horribly lately, its all just "this guy sucks" "this guy is stupid" "f*** this guy", "Cora is retarded". I understand its quick thoughts and instant reactions, but come on, this thread was horrible tonight.

 

Yeah, you know it's pretty bad when Station 13 has to scold others for being too negative LOL

[kenmeister]

2 starts, after returning from a long DL stint.

 

I'd be more patient with Pomeranz if Velazquez wasn't so damn good. Velazquez deserves to start. Probably Johnson too. I know it's a "nice" problem to have 7 starters (8 when Wright returns), but I want the best 5 in the rotation.

[Bellhorn04]

I'd be more patient with Pomeranz if Velazquez wasn't so damn good. Velazquez deserves to start. Probably Johnson too. I know it's a "nice" problem to have 7 starters (8 when Wright returns), but I want the best 5 in the rotation.

 

Everybody wants the best 5, including Cora. But if the team isn't a little more patient than the fans, we're screwed.

[moonslav59]

We gotta start winning consistently again. It doesn't help that the skanks are starting to play some good baseball. Hopefully they win tomorrow. Gotta take advantage of this home stand.

 

If losing 4 out of 6, none by more than 3 runs and two by 1 run, bring this out in our fans, despite the 19-6 record, wait until we have a stretch where we're 15-17 or even 17-15.

 

I get the heat-of-the-moment frustration and anger, although I tend to not let any single game or moment get my emotions going, but we're seening hatred and spite hours later. Deep personal attacks on players' characters and extreme attacks on players' skill levels.

 

A one or two game win streak is the only thing that will stop it. No way the JBJ thread gets moved up, if he walks. One freakin' AB and he's crucified.

 

To be honest, I don't know how some people can't realize how unhealthy it is to have so much anger over such a trivial things, or worse yet, they realize it's a bad thing, but have little self-control. I'm not trying to say this in a mean or spiteful way; I'm hoping some posters can begin to enjoy baseball and life, even when some things don't go right.

 

I actually enjoyed last night's game. We fought back after falling behind early. We got some big hits and nice defensive plays (some by JBJ), and we ended up having a good chance at winning late in the game. We fell one big hit short. Why should one less hit make or break my evening?

 

(Note" I'm not trying to imply I'm better than anyone else, or that I don't get very frustrated at times watching the Sox, but we play 162 games for a reason. This isn't football. It's a misstep in a long marathon.)

 

[moonslav59]

I'd be more patient with Pomeranz if Velazquez wasn't so damn good. Velazquez deserves to start. Probably Johnson too. I know it's a "nice" problem to have 7 starters (8 when Wright returns), but I want the best 5 in the rotation.

 

I get your point, but what if Velazquez had started the season with 2 bad starts. We'd never have known he was this good.

 

Pom has pitched near great baseball, despite his inability to get past 5 or 6 innings, for almost two full seasons. The only time he was mediocre or bad was when he was battling or retunring from an injury. Couldn't one feel he "deserves a chance" as well- a chance longer than 2 innings?

 

3 bad pitches. If he had just 1 or 2, we'd probably have won. So basically, we should bench him over 1 too many bad pitches?

 

IMO, Pom deserves at least 3-4 starts, unless he looks like he's lost it. Velazquez is doing great in the long relief role, and he'll probably get another chance to show he's better than Pom or ERod. Time will tell.

 

If Velazquez turns out to be a stud, he'll be fresh for the playoffs.

[Bellhorn04]

If losing 4 out of 6, none by more than 3 runs and two by 1 run, bring this out in our fans, despite the 19-6 record, wait until we have a stretch where we're 15-17 or even 17-15.

 

I get the heat-of-the-moment frustration and anger, although I tend to not let any single game or moment get my emotions going, but we're seening hatred and spite hours later. Deep personal attacks on players' characters and extreme attacks on players' skill levels.

 

It's just a handful of Negative Nellies - but it seems like a whole crowd of them when they're posting every two minutes.

[moonslav59]

It's just a handful of Negative Nellies - but it seems like a whole crowd of them when they're posting every two minutes.

 

Good point.

 

The extent of the hatred and anger by the few is what is shocking.

 

These are our own players!

 

Saying these things about a Yankee might be udnerstandable.

Edited April 28, 2018 by moonslav59

[dgalehouse]

Sometimes it all depends on whose Ox is being gored. So to speak. I guess we all have our favorites , as well as our scapegoats.

[Maxbialystock]

I get your point, but what if Velazquez had started the season with 2 bad starts. We'd never have known he was this good.

 

Pom has pitched near great baseball, despite his inability to get past 5 or 6 innings, for almost two full seasons. The only time he was mediocre or bad was when he was battling or retunring from an injury. Couldn't one feel he "deserves a chance" as well- a chance longer than 2 innings?

 

3 bad pitches. If he had just 1 or 2, we'd probably have won. So basically, we should bench him over 1 too many bad pitches?

 

IMO, Pom deserves at least 3-4 starts, unless he looks like he's lost it. Velazquez is doing great in the long relief role, and he'll probably get another chance to show he's better than Pom or ERod. Time will tell.

 

If Velazquez turns out to be a stud, he'll be fresh for the playoffs.

 

I just don’t like Pom’s dependence on a lousy fastball. Plus he is a lefty without a decent change up. To me his bad pitches are inevitable, not bad luck as you seem to think. A pretty good curve, that’s it.

[Maxbialystock]

I get your point, but what if Velazquez had started the season with 2 bad starts. We'd never have known he was this good.

 

Pom has pitched near great baseball, despite his inability to get past 5 or 6 innings, for almost two full seasons. The only time he was mediocre or bad was when he was battling or retunring from an injury. Couldn't one feel he "deserves a chance" as well- a chance longer than 2 innings?

 

3 bad pitches. If he had just 1 or 2, we'd probably have won. So basically, we should bench him over 1 too many bad pitches?

 

IMO, Pom deserves at least 3-4 starts, unless he looks like he's lost it. Velazquez is doing great in the long relief role, and he'll probably get another chance to show he's better than Pom or ERod. Time will tell.

 

If Velazquez turns out to be a stud, he'll be fresh for the playoffs.

 

I just don’t like Pom’s dependence on a lousy fastball. Plus he is a lefty without a decent change up. To me his bad pitches are inevitable, not bad luck as you seem to think. A pretty good curve, that’s it. The reality is that he is a 5 inning guy because he cannot afford to challenge hitters with his weak stuff. You could be right and Pom could turn into a 7 or even 8 inning stud. Me, I’m skeptical. Plus I honestly think Velazquez has better stuff.

[SoxHop]

I just don’t like Pom’s dependence on a lousy fastball. Plus he is a lefty without a decent change up. To me his bad pitches are inevitable, not bad luck as you seem to think. A pretty good curve, that’s it. The reality is that he is a 5 inning guy because he cannot afford to challenge hitters with his weak stuff. You could be right and Pom could turn into a 7 or even 8 inning stud. Me, I’m skeptical. Plus I honestly think Velazquez has better stuff.

 

Well your lucky. You get to trash him again after trashing him all year during his 17 win game season. If he gets back to hitting mid 90s fast balls instead of just barely touching 90, he will be in good shape.

[Natick to NC]

It's not ok to get a little pissy about a tough loss, but it's all good going hammer & tong over stats?

 

Again... we bitch a little about the game. Blow off a little steam about a few players & a few plays. End of the day, we all love the whole damn team. Even the guys pissing us off.

 

It's mainly just blowing off steam.

 

I never understood why people can't separate our love of the team regardless ...from disgust and dissapointment in decisions made and play during the games or leading up ...

Edited April 28, 2018 by Natick to NC

[Natick to NC]

I just don’t like Pom’s dependence on a lousy fastball. Plus he is a lefty without a decent change up. To me his bad pitches are inevitable, not bad luck as you seem to think. A pretty good curve, that’s it. The reality is that he is a 5 inning guy because he cannot afford to challenge hitters with his weak stuff. You could be right and Pom could turn into a 7 or even 8 inning stud. Me, I’m skeptical. Plus I honestly think Velazquez has better stuff.

 

That makes about 200 thousand of us .

[moonslav59]

Well your lucky. You get to trash him again after trashing him all year during his 17 win game season. If he gets back to hitting mid 90s fast balls instead of just barely touching 90, he will be in good shape.

 

I'm hopeful Pom gets back to the form he had the first half of 2016 and all of 2017.

 

Despite pitching while injured for half of 2016, Pom still ranks here from 2016-2017:

 

11th in ERA- at 77

26th in xFIP at 3.94

27th in Starter WAR (5.9)

 

I understand the frustration over not getting to the 7th inning enough. It bugs me, too. But numbers like these deserve more than a 2 game chance after returning from an injury.

 

I'm thrilled with Velazquez, and I don't disagree on him "deserving" a shot, but his time will come. If he keeps pitching like he is, he'll pitch more and more, and eventually, he'll find a a way to being a starter.

 

 

[SoxHop]

I'm hopeful Pom gets back to the form he had the first half of 2016 and all of 2017.

 

Despite pitching while injured for half of 2016, Pom still ranks here from 2016-2017:

 

11th in ERA- at 77

26th in xFIP at 3.94

27th in Starter WAR (5.9)

 

I understand the frustration over not getting to the 7th inning enough. It bugs me, too. But numbers like these deserve more than a 2 game chance after returning from an injury.

 

I'm thrilled with Velazquez, and I don't disagree on him "deserving" a shot, but his time will come. If he keeps pitching like he is, he'll pitch more and more, and eventually, he'll find a a way to being a starter.

 

 

 

My question is why have Pom up now while he is obviously not 100 percent. With Valazquez pitching well, why not give Pom about 2 to 4 weeks to get back to full strength.

[S5Dewey]

I never understood why people can't separate our love of the team regardless ...from disgust and dissapointment in decisions made and play during the games or leading up ...

 

And I've never understood why people can't separate sports from real life. Baseball is just a game being played by millionaires (not that their pay matters to me - I'm just stating a fact). If the Red Sox win it doesn't cure cancer and if they lose it's not the end of the world. Sports is - or IMO should be - a diversion for most of us.

 

I believe that most (all?) players are trying as hard as they can to be successful, it's just that some are more talented than others.

 

I find it deplorable and unreasonable when a poster repeatedly attacks a player because that player didn't live up to the expectations of the poster.

[S5Dewey]

My question is why have Pom up now while he is obviously not 100 percent. With Valazquez pitching well, why not give Pom about 2 to 4 weeks to get back to full strength.

 

IMO whether we like it or not Pom has the benefit of seniority on his side. He's been there before and proven he can do the job when he's right. Velazquez OTOH is the new kid on the block and doesn't have that benefit. V proved a lot last night and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him be the first new pitcher in the rotation if/when someone falters or gets injured.

 

And I agree completely that running Pom out there for 5 innings just to build his arm strength up - if that's why it was done - was a mistake. Send him to Pawtucket for 2-3 starts then bring him back up.

[User Name]

And I've never understood why people can't separate sports from real life. Baseball is just a game being played by millionaires (not that their pay matters to me - I'm just stating a fact). If the Red Sox win it doesn't cure cancer and if they lose it's not the end of the world. Sports is - or IMO should be - a diversion for most of us.

 

I believe that most (all?) players are trying as hard as they can to be successful, it's just that some are more talented than others.

 

I find it deplorable and unreasonable when a poster repeatedly attacks a player because that player didn't live up to the expectations of the poster.

 

This is a great post.

[Bellhorn04]

And I've never understood why people can't separate sports from real life. Baseball is just a game being played by millionaires (not that their pay matters to me - I'm just stating a fact). If the Red Sox win it doesn't cure cancer and if they lose it's not the end of the world. Sports is - or IMO should be - a diversion for most of us.

 

I believe that most (all?) players are trying as hard as they can to be successful, it's just that some are more talented than others.

 

I find it deplorable and unreasonable when a poster repeatedly attacks a player because that player didn't live up to the expectations of the poster.

 

Agreed, and I would add, sometimes good players go through streaks where they look bad...it's the nature of the game.