2017/18 Hot Stove Thread

[moonslav59]

“I don’t have a (timetable) on it because I really don’t know,” said Dombrowski to Rosenthal. “Perhaps if I was losing options, juggling three guys, or if we were in the starting-pitching market where there are four (top) guys, I would say, ‘Hey, I need an answer now, or I’m going to turn to this guy.’ But we’re really not in that situation.”

 

Like I've said before, it should not be ultimatum time, until secondary options are about to sign elsewhere.

[Bellhorn04]

I'd seriously consider telling Boras, this is it ______. Let us know in 3 days, or we move on, but if the market will all be delayed another 2-3 weeks, maybe it's not time to make ultimatums. .

 

This market is so out of the ordinary that all you can really do is trust in DD. This is a big time for him to show that he's a really good GM.

[mvp 78]

Tim Lincecum will hold a showcase next Thursday, auditioning for Major League teams.

 

Lincecum, a two-time Cy Young Award winner with the San Francisco Giants, has been working out with Driveline Baseball this offseason in an effort to make a comeback. As we noted in December, when photos of him at Driveline surfaced, Lincecum looks to be in pretty amazing physical shape. Still, it’s an open question whether or not he can pitch in the bigs again. He hasn’t pitched since 2016 and even then he didn’t pitch well, going 2-6 with a 9.16 ERA, 5.4 BB/9 and 7.5 SO/9 over 38.1 innings with the Angels.

 

At the same time, he’s only 33 and he’ll obviously be open to a minor league deal with eye toward making a team in spring training, so it’ll cost teams almost nothing to give him a chance. A lot of clubs will be taking in his workout next week, no question. If Lincecum is even close to what he was a few years back, someone will likely take a chance on him. Baseball is all about finding cheap talent these days.

 

I'd give Lincecum a MiLB deal before I'd give one to Buchholz.

[Natick to NC]

This market is so out of the ordinary that all you can really do is trust in DD. This is a big time for him to show that he's a really good GM.

 

Ok so just watched Rosenthall on hot stove usually Reynolds makes my eyes glaze but he said something chilling to me ...because it was well thought out lol quote " JD be silent don't say a word,if you say these things that fan base will bury you if you have a slow start they will bury you " ........he's right and sadly JD bud we are there now .I think Dave needs to pivot hard now forget JD and make a move on a Freddie Freeman or Votto or Abreu it's jumped the rail for JD and for me if this guy doesn't hit 45 out and drive in 120 hes a bad sighning lol but the doors open if he delivers a title .side note on what Ken said ...he said he talked to Dombo and that Dave was candid " we are getting many late trade requests and players that are surprising at this late stage in the off season ....we are weighing those NOW and continuing to monitor JD situation " ......um that's pretty cool if true .Freeman immediately popped in my head then Abreu ... Could be exciting day today .News is flowing more in last 10 hours than in last 3 months .Buckle up Redsox fans Daves on the phones and off the island .

Edited February 7, 2018 by Natick to NC

[mvp 78]

Ok so just watched Rosenthall on hot stove usually Reynolds makes my eyes glaze but he said something chilling to me ...because it was well thought out lol quote " JD be silent don't say a word,if you say these things that fan base will bury you if you have a slow start they will bury you " ........he's right and sadly JD bud we are there now .I think Dave needs to pivot hard now forget JD and make a move on a Freddie Freeman or Votto or Abreu it's jumped the rail for JD and for me if this guy doesn't hit 45 out and drive in 120 hes a bad sighning lol but the doors open if he delivers a title .side note on what Ken said ...he said he talked to Dombo and that Dave was candid " we are getting many late trade requests and players that are surprising at this late stage in the off season ....we are weighing those NOW and continuing to monitor JD situation " ......um that's pretty cool if true .Freeman immediately popped in my head then Abreu ... Could be exciting day today .News is flowing more in last 10 hours than in last 3 months .Buckle up Redsox fans Daves on the phones and off the island .

 

Crawford was overpaid and started slowly. He never got buried. Once the fans get back to watching the games, the first HR will get rid of most of the ill will.

[Natick to NC]

Crawford never ever felt comfortable here is what I remember . Am I wrong thinking that ? He was a fantastic player for the non existent fan base in Tampa but once he sighned here lol he turtles ? That's not just the fan base ....that's a weak minded player and there are many players who whither here he's one of many ...Panda is not an example he Was just mentally gone once the check cleared ...Some take time ...price has his warts with us all but the man stepped up in the pen and for me ..... But come on we wanted him out last year on a rail am I wrong ????? ..I'm a fan this year of Price .We want results we don't care about excuses ....and yes we will absolutely destroy you in the media and in the seats if we think you're the wrong fit .Look at our Patriots lol Bill is getting destroyed but that man can weather any storm .JD is a huge money deal for a DH ...biggest DH deal ever already .The pressure on JD is enormous already and now he's leaking his feelings ? Not a good start and he's not even wearing the hat . Edited February 7, 2018 by Natick to NC

[Bellhorn04]

Tim Lincecum will hold a showcase next Thursday, auditioning for Major League teams.

 

Lincecum, a two-time Cy Young Award winner with the San Francisco Giants, has been working out with Driveline Baseball this offseason in an effort to make a comeback. As we noted in December, when photos of him at Driveline surfaced, Lincecum looks to be in pretty amazing physical shape. Still, it’s an open question whether or not he can pitch in the bigs again. He hasn’t pitched since 2016 and even then he didn’t pitch well, going 2-6 with a 9.16 ERA, 5.4 BB/9 and 7.5 SO/9 over 38.1 innings with the Angels.

 

At the same time, he’s only 33 and he’ll obviously be open to a minor league deal with eye toward making a team in spring training, so it’ll cost teams almost nothing to give him a chance. A lot of clubs will be taking in his workout next week, no question. If Lincecum is even close to what he was a few years back, someone will likely take a chance on him. Baseball is all about finding cheap talent these days.

 

I'd give Lincecum a MiLB deal before I'd give one to Buchholz.

 

Just wait till Clay holds his showcase.

[mvp 78]

Just wait till Clay holds his showcase.

 

LOL. I don't know if he's even back to pitching yet. He was hoping to be ready to go in Sept, then that fell through. After the season, he said he wanted to be ready by the start of the season. I've seen no reports suggesting how close he is to coming back.

[moonslav59]

Crawford was crucified then buried.

[mvp 78]

https://twitter.com/CTXAthletics/status/960960651408691201

 

Looks like he threw in a college bullpen in Austin, Tx yesterday.

 

Last week he was at a high school HR derby with some old friends.

 

@ByZachSmith

 

At Vandegrift HS for the Viper home run derby. An impressive list of MLB veterans on the guest list including Jon Lester, Josh Beckett, John Lackey, Clay Buchholz and Kevin Millar.

[mvp 78]

Crawford was crucified then buried.

 

When was he crucified? He got off easy. He never played well, was overpaid but never really heard it from the fans.

[Bellhorn04]

LOL. I don't know if he's even back to pitching yet. He was hoping to be ready to go in Sept, then that fell through. After the season, he said he wanted to be ready by the start of the season. I've seen no reports suggesting how close he is to coming back.

 

He's under the radar. DD better grab him before the Yanks do.

[FredLynn]

Ken Rosenthall reporting JD Martinez is fed up with the Redsox inflexibility and wants to join another club now .Well there's our answer JD is done with Boston .

 

Good riddance.

[mvp 78]

He's under the radar. DD better grab him before the Yanks do.

 

@EBNAdvertising

 

Why The New York Yankees Should Go After Clay Buchholz For Rotation Help

 

http://www.inquisitr.com.ridder.co/vQQPwe

[mvp 78]

@NatsPost

 

@RonJuckett on a #Nats pursuit of Clay Buchholz, who could serve a role similar to that of Edwin Jackson.

 

https://districtondeck.com/2018/01/06/washington-nationals-clay-buchholz-worth-flier/

 

All these crazy people are thirsty for Clay.

[mvp 78]

@ChuckGarfien

 

I think I found my top buy low free agent pitcher to help the White Sox rotation next year. Clay Buchholz.

 

If I knew there was decent money in shitposting like these people, I'd have A700 numbers.

[Jack Flap]

I don't blame JD for fighting to get every dollar that he feels he is worth, but as the weeks pass by without the offer being increased or new teams entering the bidding, at some point reality has to set in. He and Boras can complain about the Red Sox "inflexibility" all they want, but it seems clear at this point that they not only misread the market but have failed to adjust their expectations long after that should have been clear.

 

Personally, I'm kind of over the whole thing and just ready for some baseball.

[moonslav59]

When was he crucified? He got off easy. He never played well, was overpaid but never really heard it from the fans.

 

He must have heard me screaming all the way from Maine!

 

Here's a quote from CC after being traded to LAD...

 

"“Once I realized it and I had seven years I didn’t know what to do. It was just one of those things I had to sit out and wait. I was dealing with the struggling at the time and a bunch of other stuff. I had been in Tampa so we had been shielded from a lot of media stuff. I didn’t have to go through that stuff. That was new for me, dealing with the media and stuff like that. I didn’t how to handle all that stuff up there and it showed in my game. Then I started getting hurt all the time. It was just always bad, bad all the time.”

Edited February 7, 2018 by moonslav59

[moonslav59]

When was he crucified? He got off easy. He never played well, was overpaid but never really heard it from the fans.

 

I also found this nugget....

 

So, Crawford is the biggest target and the player upon whom Red Sox fans are now directing boos, a sound foreign to him during the nine seasons he spent with the Tampa Bay Rays.

 

"They have to boo,'' he said after Friday night's 7-6 loss to the Toronto Blue Jays in which he went hitless in five at-bats, including a three-strike punchout in the ninth that ended with him swinging at a pitch that bounced in front of the plate.

 

"I'm playing real bad; we're playing real bad," Crawford said. "You definitely understand. You can't be upset about that. You kind of feel their frustration a little, but we're frustrated too.''

o far, Crawford's Red Sox experience has been The Nightmare on Lansdowne Street. He is now 51 at-bats into his Sox career and he has 7 hits. One has gone for extra bases. The average is .137. He has scored 3 runs and knocked in 1. He couldn't look more uncomfortable at the plate. The ump cost him an infield hit in his first at-bat Friday, but with Jacoby Ellsbury on third and one out in the seventh, Crawford managed just a shallow fly to left.

[mvp 78]

He must have heard me screaming all the way from Maine!

 

Here's a quote from CC after being traded to LAD...

 

"“Once I realized it and I had seven years I didn’t know what to do. It was just one of those things I had to sit out and wait. I was dealing with the struggling at the time and a bunch of other stuff. I had been in Tampa so we had been shielded from a lot of media stuff. I didn’t have to go through that stuff. That was new for me, dealing with the media and stuff like that. I didn’t how to handle all that stuff up there and it showed in my game. Then I started getting hurt all the time. It was just always bad, bad all the time.”

 

Dealing with the media is not the same as being crucified. And how bad was the media to him? Not very IMO.

[mvp 78]

I also found this nugget....

 

So, Crawford is the biggest target and the player upon whom Red Sox fans are now directing boos, a sound foreign to him during the nine seasons he spent with the Tampa Bay Rays.

 

"They have to boo,'' he said after Friday night's 7-6 loss to the Toronto Blue Jays in which he went hitless in five at-bats, including a three-strike punchout in the ninth that ended with him swinging at a pitch that bounced in front of the plate.

 

"I'm playing real bad; we're playing real bad," Crawford said. "You definitely understand. You can't be upset about that. You kind of feel their frustration a little, but we're frustrated too.''

o far, Crawford's Red Sox experience has been The Nightmare on Lansdowne Street. He is now 51 at-bats into his Sox career and he has 7 hits. One has gone for extra bases. The average is .137. He has scored 3 runs and knocked in 1. He couldn't look more uncomfortable at the plate. The ump cost him an infield hit in his first at-bat Friday, but with Jacoby Ellsbury on third and one out in the seventh, Crawford managed just a shallow fly to left.

 

Where in this is he crucified? Every player gets booed from time to time. Sox fans took it easy on him.

[moonslav59]

Dealing with the media is not the same as being crucified. And how bad was the media to him? Not very IMO.

 

I guess we hung with different crowds back then.

 

I saw no mercy.

[Spudboy]

Any reporter can get things "wrong".

 

I am not a huge fan of the midget but this sounds plausible to me.

 

Anyway here is the Barstoole take.

 

I agree with Carrabis.

 

https://www.barstoolsports.com/boston/jd-martinez-is-reportedly-fed-up-with-the-red-soxs-inflexibility-and-would-rather-sign-with-another-club

Edited February 7, 2018 by Spudboy

[baseball jones]

Ken Rosenthall reporting ]JD Martinez is fed up with the Redsox inflexibility and wants to join another club now .Well there's our answer JD is done with Boston .

 

i am watching this right now myself and these are jd's words to people around him in miami.in a war on words its the red sox who need to address this one way or another.

[mvp 78]

I guess we hung with different crowds back then.

 

I saw no mercy.

 

In Texas?

 

Here in Boston, nobody was ripping CC. Even watching the games on tv you wouldn't here much grumbling.

[moonslav59]

In Texas?

 

Here in Boston, nobody was ripping CC. Even watching the games on tv you wouldn't here much grumbling.

 

I'm in Maine every summer and make it to a few Sox games every year.

 

I also watch every game on TV.

[Natick to NC]

I don't blame JD for fighting to get every dollar that he feels he is worth, but as the weeks pass by without the offer being increased or new teams entering the bidding, at some point reality has to set in. He and Boras can complain about the Red Sox "inflexibility" all they want, but it seems clear at this point that they not only misread the market but have failed to adjust their expectations long after that should have been clear.

 

Personally, I'm kind of over the whole thing and just ready for some baseball.

 

So true that ending "but it seems clear at this point that they not only misread the market but have failed to adjust " .....this is ezactly the case which means move on today .

[moonslav59]

Any reporter can get things "wrong".

 

I am not a huge fan of the midget but this sound plausible to me.

 

Anyway here is the Barstoole take.

 

I agree with Carrabis.

 

https://www.barstoolsports.com/boston/jd-martinez-is-reportedly-fed-up-with-the-red-soxs-inflexibility-and-would-rather-sign-with-another-club

 

I doubt there will be much "awkwardness", if JD signs with the Sox.

 

(Unless he sucks out of the gate.)

[Natick to NC]

I guess we hung with different crowds back then.

 

I saw no mercy.

 

We destroyed Carl if you can't remember that my Goodness I want what you folks smoke .I wouldn't name my kid Carl if you paid me a million ....that dude absolutely tanked and was a baby here .

[moonslav59]

So true that ending "but it seems clear at this point that they not only misread the market but have failed to adjust " .....this is ezactly the case which means move on today .

 

If they "misread the market," so what?

 

Once they realize, he's not getting anything close to the Sox offer, we can sign him at what we wanted to sign him at. Why should we "move on" from someone we wanted, at the cost we wanted him for, over some words JD said to friends?

 

We lose, if we walk away fro a possible deal we wanted in the first place.

 

If JD goes elsewhere, for less, good for him. We can spend the money elsewhere. But, I'm not moving off our option A, until I know it's not an option anymore.